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Administrations tout alternative facts?
I'm willing to accept that a certain amount of spin and broken promises are part of every administration, but do you honestly believe the narratives Trump and his people are pushing are within acceptable norms? Lying about crowd size at your inauguration for chrissakes; it's not even something worth lying about. What are they willing to lie about when the stakes are real?
 
I'm willing to accept that a certain amount of spin and broken promises are part of every administration, but do you honestly believe the narratives Trump and his people are pushing are within acceptable norms? Lying about crowd size at your inauguration for chrissakes; it's not even something worth lying about. What are they willing to lie about when the stakes are real?
Much ado about nothing.

When he lies about why we lost an ambassador in a country we bombed and overthrew the government, it rises to a much different level. Would you prefer to be lied to by professional liars?
 
Much ado about nothing.

When he lies about why we lost an ambassador in a country we bombed and overthrew the government, it rises to a much different level. Would you prefer to be lied to by professional liars?
I prefer not to be lied to.
 
I prefer not to be lied to.
I don't care so much about the tabloid stuff. I prefer not to be lied to as well.

The crowd size thing is pointless, except the press is lying, too. And that's downright scary. Nobody we can trust to honestly hold government accountable anymore.

Hence the OP.
 
Trump vs the media. Why the media keeps losing.

http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-versus-media-548562

It is the Trump view that the media has been so wrong in its predictions, and made to look in the eyes of the public so woeful and ludicrous, that it must now double down in an effort to prove its thesis about the president and restore its honor. (The Trump White House now hammers a persistent theme: Why was nobody fired in the mainstream media for such dunderheaded election coverage?)

The media strategy is to show Trump to be an inept and craven sociopath. The Trump strategy is to show that media people are hopeless prigs out of touch with the nation (e.g., CNN’s media correspondent, Brian Stelter, who turns to the camera every Sunday morning and delivers a pious sermon about Trump’s perfidiousness) and nursing personal grudges.

Accordingly, “alternative facts.” It’s curious to pick a battle whose outcome won’t change anything—like over the actual size of the inaugural crowd. But both sides grabbed it. Hence, the argument becomes about relative reaction. Who is perceived as overreacting more? Whose apoplexy is greater?

In the media’s view—literal to a fault, in this instance—a lie is a lie. Therefore, Trump is a liar, making the issue of the size of the inaugural crowd a moral one. Trump’s misstatement is grievous and profoundly discreditable, in this view.

In the Trump team’s view, that the media would turn a so-what issue into a veritable crisis of confidence—and that it rises to this level of high dudgeon on such a regular basis—discredits the media and adds to its crisis of credibility, which is at least as great—and, the Trump team, would argue vastly greater—as its own.
 
Lying about crowd size at your inauguration for chrissakes; it's not even something worth lying about.
Ha! It seems to have your ass jacked sky high! Step back and listen, do some research, perhaps learn.:cool2:
 
I don't read breitbart, except when @magnifier661 posts a link.

Not that I've found it racist or any of the things claimed about it. I found it like rasta's tweets - a lot of bullshit and easy to fact check to see it's bullshit.
 
Trump:

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Obama

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Decide for yourself.

Both pictures taken with the president on stage, not hours before or after.

I'm not saying Trump had the bigger crowd because you can't see it all.

But this is dishonest:

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But this is dishonest:

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Where are other shots from that same vantage point?

In looking around the internet both are credited as Getty images. So Getty went to the trouble to set up the exact same shot but only took one picture the entire time? If there are shots from the exact same vantage point I would like to see them.
 
Here's the thing. If Trump builds his wall and the effects are what he predicts, then what?
 
Where are other shots from that same vantage point?

In looking around the internet both are credited as Getty images. So Getty went to the trouble to set up the exact same shot but only took one picture the entire time? If there are shots from the exact same vantage point I would like to see them.

Found them.

Look on the right side, there are giant video screens of Trump giving his inaugural speech.

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And I really only care if the media is being honest. They've not earned actual trust for quite a while. Going back to pushing for war in 2003 to the past election.

Everyone wants to be Woodward and Bernstein, but unwilling to do the hard work to make the reporting legit.
 
Here's the thing. If Trump builds his wall and the effects are what he predicts, then what?
You're a libertarian right? Be honest, what do you think the real impact will be? Off-hand I'm guessing it's going to be billions of tons of concrete and steel that would be better served shoring up bridges, roads and dams. Instead, it appears to be an infrastructure project designed to keep out a significant labor force this country depends on. Second of all, I wonder how many tons of food is going to rot on the vines in the Central Valley of California when they can't get enough millennials to do the thankless, back-breaking work of picking all of those fruits and vegetables people seem to like so much.
 
You're a libertarian right? Be honest, what do you think the real impact will be? Off-hand I'm guessing it's going to be billions of tons of concrete and steel that would be better served shoring up bridges, roads and dams. It's an infrastructure project designed to keep out a significant labor force this country depends on. Second of all, I wonder how many tons of food is going to rot on the vines in the Central Valley of California when they can't get enough millennials to do the thankless, back-breaking work of picking all of those fruits and vegetables people seem to like so much.
I'm against the wall, completely.

I asked a legit question, though. We've seen typical academics style economics with fair to middling results. Over promised and under delivered. Trump clearly has an economic agenda that is based upon ending the bad deals we're in. Immigration being one of those. Trade deals being another.

The idea that slave labor overseas is killing our jobs and manufacturing rings true. If he's right, then what?

Legit question.
 
Hey @magnifier661

Editor’s note: Some commenters have noticed that the clock face visible on the Smithsonian Tower shows a time of approximately 1:15. I spoke with the Smithsonian’s public affairs office, and they confirmed the clock is currently broken. This can be further seen in two photos (photo 1, photo 2) taken by the same photographer, from the same vantage point, during the Women’s March on the day after the inauguration, January 21. Both photos, obviously not taken in the same instant, show the hands on the clock face in the same 1:15 configuration.

https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2...ce-was-full-a-photographic-fact-check/514253/
 
The density of the crowd is clearly different in the real pictures. The crowd does extend to the Washington monument.

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I'm against the wall, completely.

I asked a legit question, though. We've seen typical academics style economics with fair to middling results. Over promised and under delivered. Trump clearly has an economic agenda that is based upon ending the bad deals we're in. Immigration being one of those. Trade deals being another.

The idea that slave labor overseas is killing our jobs and manufacturing rings true. If he's right, then what?

Legit question.
I don't think there's any putting the djinni back in the bottle. Retreating from the world and adopting what looks like a mercantilist stance on trade feels like a terrible bet. Secondly, how has immigration been a "bad deal?" It's largely been the engine of our prosperity. Take away immigration and in we're probably in the same boat as Japan or Western Europe (at least until they let in a few million middle easterners) -- contracting, aging populations need immigration or they stagnate.
 
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