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Mediocre Man said:
I brought my recomendation to my HR VP and he said "what about her?" I simply said that he was more qualified. He asked me if she was qualified as well, and I said yes. He told me they were going to hire her then. Take that for what it is worth
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So you're assuming then... OK that's all I needed.
 
dviss1 said:
So you're assuming then... OK that's all I needed.
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You don't need to look any further than the fact that many companies openly state goals for hiring a specific percentage of women or minority groups to know that MM's issue happens.
 
blazerboy30 said:
You don't need to look any further than the fact that many companies openly state goals for hiring a specific percentage of women or minority groups to know that MM's issue happens.
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Blah blah... more white males complaining about another thing that literally doesn't have any effect on their upward mobility.

Your tears are salty...
 
Mediocre Man just gave a real good example of what dviss and I and others are saying. Why does everyone say white Christian straight men can't understand blah blah blah.

No one has said that. No one.
What we HAVE said is we are damn sick and tired of the assumption that ONLY white Christina straight men can understand and rule the world, not to mention rule over everyone who is not a white Christian straight man. That everyone who is NOT white Christian straight male is an "outlier". A "demographic". An "interest group".

And every time we point out that white Christian straight men have dominated business, politics, media, etc. someone comes along and says "but why are you saying white Christian straight men can't understand blah blah blah..."
 
dviss1 said:
isn't helping stem the tide against racial discrimination when it comes to hiring
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Mixing business with social justice is a piss poor mixture. I promoted a black lady to manager once not to correct discrimination, but to put the best person I had available in the position because I felt she would be the most effective. I did get credit for the affirmative actions numbers though somewhat to my irritation.

Hiring college kids on the affirmative action programs was a disaster in my view. Changing the GPA requirement to target Blacks in favor white kid resulted in
not really being able to hire anyone. The few Black kids that could qualify, top students in their category, didn't want the jobs being recruited, the white kids that would take them, couldn't be hired because of the ridiculous GPA requirement. It was bad business.
 
MarAzul said:
Mixing business with social justice is a piss poor mixture. I promoted a black lady to manager once not to correct discrimination, but to put the best person I had available in the position because I felt she would be the most effective. I did get credit for the affirmative actions numbers though somewhat to my irritation.

Hiring college kids on the affirmative action programs was a disaster in my view. Changing the GPA requirement to target Blacks in favor white kid resulted in
not really being able to hire anyone. The few Black kids that could qualify, top students in their category, didn't want the jobs being recruited, the white kids that would take them, couldn't be hired because of the ridiculous GPA requirement. It was bad business.
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So salty...
 
Ha! Then I think of crandc in place of the black lady above. Ha! probably never happen! She would never in years and years do what the necessary
to make me think she would be the most effective manager available. I think it would rub her way wrong to ever give up her position to wail about discrimination.
 
So salty... from dviss above

What ever the fuck that means. Ha! I think you and crandc have so much in common. Never give up the position from which to wail.
 
Back to the main issue of the thread, the article. I think the fellow is confusing character type issues with race. Perhaps some character types are more prevalent in one race vs another and I doubt that study will ever be done, but even so that would not make the issue racial. Now I could write about 10 pages on this subject but not today, probably never.
 
MarAzul said:
So salty... from dviss above

What ever the fuck that means. Ha! I think you and crandc have so much in common. Never give up the position from which to wail.
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The fact you call it "wailing" says more about you than it does about us. :dunno:
 
MarAzul said:
Back to the main issue of the thread, the article. I think the fellow is confusing character type issues with race. Perhaps some character types are more prevalent in one race vs another and I doubt that study will ever be done, but even so that would not make the issue racial. Now I could write about 10 pages on this subject but not today, probably never.
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Your preconceived notions have already conducted this study.

No MarAzul, no matter what you want to believe, skin tone does not have any bearing on whether or not a certain demographic is say, prone to violence...
 
dviss1 said:
No MarAzul, no matter what you want to believe, skin tone does not have any bearing on whether or not a certain demographic is say
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Never said it did, in fact I am saying the opposite. However, you just verified you have no idea what I am talking about, neither does the fellow that wrote the article.
 
I'm quite certain I would not want to work for MarAzul. You see, it is possible in the Internet age to see of employers are good places for women, and good places to be LGBT. I doubt if MarAzul, if he was running a business, would have a gay friendly one.

Besides, I would want any place I worked for to be fact based. Not getting snippets from scandal sheets and creationist web sites.

I can just see the company manual at a MarAzul company: "God gave you a dick and an instructional manual!"
 
crandc said:
Mediocre Man just gave a real good example of what dviss and I and others are saying. Why does everyone say white Christian straight men can't understand blah blah blah.

No one has said that. No one.
What we HAVE said is we are damn sick and tired of the assumption that ONLY white Christina straight men can understand and rule the world, not to mention rule over everyone who is not a white Christian straight man. That everyone who is NOT white Christian straight male is an "outlier". A "demographic". An "interest group".

And every time we point out that white Christian straight men have dominated business, politics, media, etc. someone comes along and says "but why are you saying white Christian straight men can't understand blah blah blah..."
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crandc said:
I'm quite certain I would not want to work for MarAzul. You see, it is possible in the Internet age to see of employers are good places for women, and good places to be LGBT. I doubt if MarAzul, if he was running a business, would have a gay friendly one.

Besides, I would want any place I worked for to be fact based. Not getting snippets from scandal sheets and creationist web sites.

I can just see the company manual at a MarAzul company: "God gave you a dick and an instructional manual!"
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This is just so slanderous. I don't think you need to be doing this
 
dviss1 said:
Blah blah... more white males complaining about another thing that literally doesn't have any effect on their upward mobility.

Your tears are salty...
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But that complaint is based in reality, rather than imagination. Some people see that there are more of x in a given field and assume/assert it's because of racism/sexism. And yet many of those organizations that are supposedly sexist/racist are actually trying to recruite people to feel target quotas. So that's a logical contradiction.
 
crandc said:
I'm quite certain I would not want to work for MarAzul. You see, it is possible in the Internet age to see of employers are good places for women, and good places to be LGBT. I doubt if MarAzul, if he was running a business, would have a gay friendly one.

Besides, I would want any place I worked for to be fact based. Not getting snippets from scandal sheets and creationist web sites.

I can just see the company manual at a MarAzul company: "God gave you a dick and an instructional manual!"
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I have hired gay people though, not intentional, because I never ask and don't want to know. It worked fine for me and those that I later became aware of via other people thinking I needed to know.
 
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Mediocre Man said:
I'll say this and get crushed, but why is it that the white Christian male is the only one who doesn't seem to understand the plight of others? Why did I have to hire an African American female for a position a couple of years ago, when a white male was clearly my best candidate? Is it because of all the awful things that happened long before either one of them were born?

Does racism and sexism exist today? Absolutely, but it may have more teeth because of things like this. Things like my daughter missing out on scholarship money because it had to go to a minority, even though my daughter was more qualified. That same student lives in a neighborhood about a mile from me, in a nicer home and went to the same school.

I don't know what the answer is.... LOL obviously, and I wish I did. I hate that my wife makes less for the same damn job a guy does. I hate that I don't go to certain areas because I'm likely to get shot for being there. I hate that a black man or woman feels uncomfortable in a setting of mostly white people because those white people. It sucks. All of it, not just white Christian males.

It seems to me, and maybe I'm just wrong, but it seems like everything we are doing to try and combat racism is backfiring.
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Watch out for Denny, MM. I tried liking this post and it said "Server Error" :) I reloaded to get around Denny's nefarious tricks!
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Which is exactly what the 1% has been doing for generations......and exactly what Trump is doing right now. When the have nots are at each other's throats, the real perpetrators get off scott free....and continue to take even more from the have nots because those folks are too busy tearing each other apart to notice....divide and conquer.
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It makes me laugh that you see this but only associate the tactic with republicans.
 
crandc said:
I'm sick of gay and transgender people being scapegoated. I'm tired of spending 7 years at a job with increased responsibilities and no promotion and when I got fed up and left they hired a man from outside the company two levels higher. I'm sick of sexual assault being called a mistake while the victim is called slut. I sick of lame and retarded and gay as all purpose pejoratives.
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I'm sick of IPAs being more popular than stouts.
 
dviss1 said:
That's exactly what you did. You might not have meant to. But you did. You did compare them if even inadvertently. And it always continues to happen.

Because you did bring up the fact that your people were descriminated against since Irish were not included in BC's post. Therefore comparing it to our struggle. You did the same thing with your "it's not just black people" quote above. Not sure why you want soften the blows we take daily. Of course other brown people are being targeted. We're all brown.

It's the reason UCD said "The Irish (for a much shorter period of time) did have it as bad as blacks". Emigrating in their own boats means they never had it as bad as us so all of you need to stop making the comparison. Dealing with their brand of slavery for 15-20 years pales in comparison to over 400 years of slavery and Jim Crow... So no...

Do you get descriminated against now?

"Today they don't have it as bad"...

I don't even know where to go with this one... :nerd:
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My buddy is a landscaper, he got a serious tan this year, i think ill start calling him "boy"
 
rasheedfan2005 said:
It makes me laugh that you see this but only associate the tactic with republicans.
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I'm not sure how you took my comment as an attack on Republicans, other than I mentioned Trump. Sorry if the truth offends you. But as DViss pointed out above, the 1% includes all manner of selfish scum, regardless of political persuasion, ethnicity or gender.....the fact that you and I are poking at each other only proves my point of divide and conquer. I believe you and I have far more in common than this minor difference of opinion would infer.....
 
MarAzul said:
See how things change! Change is not always progress. There was a day when being "Gay" meant you were happy, having a good time!
Who screwed that up?
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You sure bring that up a lot. How about we start a campaign to take back that word for you. From now on I will call you Gay MarAzul and we'll tell people it's because you're such a happy guy.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
You sure bring that up a lot. How about we start a campaign to take back that word for you. From now on I will call you Gay MarAzul and we'll tell people it's because you're such a happy guy.
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We could discuss how boating clearly makes people gay, and wish we could all be as gay as Marazul is, since he tells us so often how much he enjoys the lifestyle of a gay sailor.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
I'm not sure how you took my comment as an attack on Republicans, other than I mentioned Trump. Sorry if the truth offends you. But as DViss pointed out above, the 1% includes all manner of selfish scum, regardless of political persuasion, ethnicity or gender.....the fact that you and I are poking at each other only proves my point of divide and conquer. I believe you and I have far more in common than this minor difference of opinion would infer.....
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Probaby but trump wont take time to get offended by me on a message board so i have to settle
 
SlyPokerDog said:
You sure bring that up a lot. How about we start a campaign to take back that word for you. From now on I will call you Gay MarAzul and we'll tell people it's because you're such a happy guy.
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Can we call me gay too? Im really gay when mrs. HCP is home alone.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
You sure bring that up a lot. How about we start a campaign to take back that word for you. From now on I will call you Gay MarAzul and we'll tell people it's because you're such a happy guy.
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Feel free to do as you see fit Sly. But I would, if I may, correct you, I didn't bring up the meaning of Gay, the lady did. I only commented on her being sick of the meaning.
 
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