Notice "The Undefeated"--NBA All-Time Top 50 UPDATED

[PtldPlatypus]

http://theundefeated.com/features/nba-50-greatest-players-remix/

The Undefeated has taken it upon themselves to update the NBA all-time top 50 players list to include 14 players they feel have earned themselves a spot over the past 20 years. In all, they removed:

• Pistol Pete
• Clyde Drexler
• Bill Walton
• Lenny Wilkens
• James Worthy
• Robert Parish
• Tiny Archibald
• Dave Bing
• Dave Cowens
• Dave Debusschere
• Same Jones
• Wes Unseld
• Bill Sharman
• Dolph Schayes

And replaced them with:

• Lebron
• Kobe
• Duncan
• Garnett
• Durant
• Dirk
• Kidd
• Iverson
• Nash
• Wade
• Pierce
• Curry
• Ray Allen
• Reggie Miller

I agree with most of their updates, but there are some that are questionable at best.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

Millenials trying to tell themselves they know shit about the history of NBA basketball.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

What the hell is udpated?

 

[SportsAndWhine]

http://theundefeated.com/features/nba-50-greatest-players-remix/

I agree with most of their updates, but there are some that are questionable at best.

Dell Curry was a weird choice...

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Dell Curry was a weird choice...

Seriously though, there's an argument to be made that it's a bit early in his career to consider Steph an all-timer. However, as they mention in the article, Shaq was included in the 1997 list in just his 5th year in the league, and though it might have been premature, it was undoubtedly correct. Probably the same for Steph.

 

[SportsAndWhine]

Seriously though, there's an argument to be made that it's a bit early in his career to consider Steph an all-timer. However, as they mention in the article, Shaq was included in the 1997 list in just his 5th year in the league, and though it might have been premature, it was undoubtedly correct. Probably the same for Steph.

Steph has two rings, which is hard to argue against.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

If it's "all-time," where are all the future players? I want to be ready, maybe watch them in elementary school.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Steph has two rings, which is hard to argue against.

True, but so do Klay and Dray, with more likely in store. I wouldn't be surprised if Klay's resume, for example, surpasses Miller's and Allen's by the time all is said and done. Speaking of whom, the idea that those two were worthy of displacing Clyde seems ludicrous to me.

 

[blue9]

There's a bunch of old-timers I don't know anything about, but no way do KG / Kidd / Iverson / Allen belong over Walton / Worthy / Parish / Drexler. And I wouldn't put Durant/Curry in there yet - towards the end of their careers almost definitely, but not now.

 

[blue9]

True, but so do Klay and Dray, with more likely in store. I wouldn't be surprised if Klay's resume, for example, surpasses Miller's and Allen's by the time all is said and done. Speaking of whom, the idea that those two were worthy of displacing Clyde seems ludicrous to me.

I can give it up to Miller solely because he's a legacy player - that's big in my book. If you play your entire career - and it's a great one - for a single team, that gives you major bonus points. But Ray Allen? He was a very good player, but that's it - not legendary. Is JJ Redick going to get in too? (Yes, I'm being a little silly, but only a little.)

 

[ripcityboy]

Def wouldn't take Parrish or Drexler off.... But a lot of those new players, Duncan, Lebron, Dirk, Garnett, can't argue there.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

There's a bunch of old-timers I don't know anything about, but no way do KG / Kidd / Iverson / Allen belong over Walton / Worthy / Parish / Drexler. And I wouldn't put Durant/Curry in there yet - towards the end of their careers almost definitely, but not now.

I'll argue to the death about KG over Worthy. I've always felt Worthy was overrated, and I think KG is arguably the best PF of all time (If Duncan is considered a center, as many contend he should).

 

[dviss1]

Dell Curry was a weird choice...

Over Drex??? GTFO....

 

[dviss1]

I'll argue to the death about KG over Worthy. I've always felt Worthy was overrated, and I think KG is arguably the best PF of all time (If Duncan is considered a center, as many contend he should).

Timmy
Malone
Webber (yes I said it)
Barkley

All better than KG IMO.

I might even take Dirk...

KG has always been soft on offense. Fadeaways ect. Good defensively but soft offensively.

 

[ripcityboy]

I'll argue to the death about KG over Worthy. I've always felt Worthy was overrated, and I think KG is arguably the best PF of all time (If Duncan is considered a center, as many contend he should).

Yeah I always thought Worthy was a little overrated too. Def helped by being on the Showtime Lakers.

 

[dviss1]

Dell Curry was a weird choice...

Over Drex??? GTFO....

Holy shit... I'm stupid...

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Timmy
Malone
Webber (yes I said it)
Barkley

All better than KG IMO.

I might even take Dirk...

KG has always been soft on offense. Fadeaways ect. Good defensively but soft offensively.

You're entitled to your opinion. It's wrong, but you're entitled...

Seriously though, I'd take KG over all those guys, specifically because of his defense, and he was also more versatile offensively than any of them (save perhaps Webber). Just my opinion, though.

Main point is, though, is that I'd put all of them ahead James Worthy, which is what I was really saying.

 

[blue9]

I'll argue to the death about KG over Worthy. I've always felt Worthy was overrated, and I think KG is arguably the best PF of all time (If Duncan is considered a center, as many contend he should).

I'll never agree about KG. He was just such a bitch throughout his entire career. He was good, but never great - a perennial one-and-done until he got traded. Sorry, but Top 50 players don't routinely get punked in the 1st round...when they actually happen to MAKE the Playoffs. He's only a HOFer because he happened to play with Pierce, Rondo, and Ray towards the end of his career. Otherwise, he was a fully-realized version of Aldridge but with defense.

 

[dviss1]

I'll argue to the death about KG over Worthy. I've always felt Worthy was overrated, and I think KG is arguably the best PF of all time (If Duncan is considered a center, as many contend he should).

Yeah I always thought Worthy was a little overrated too. Def helped by being on the Showtime Lakers.

NEITHER of you want ANY of Big Game James...

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I'll never agree about KG. He was just such a bitch throughout his entire career. He was good, but never great - a perennial one-and-done until he got traded. Sorry, but Top 50 players don't routinely get punked in the 1st round...when they actually happen to MAKE the Playoffs. He's only a HOFer because he happened to play with Pierce, Rondo, and Ray towards the end of his career. Otherwise, he was a fully-realized version of Aldridge but with defense.

EVERY time he lost in the first round, he lost to another top 50 player with more help around them (Payton, Robinson/Duncan, Pippen, Dirk/Nash, Shaq/Kobe), not to mention that he had Flip Saunders as his head coach for his entire Wolves career. I don't fault him for not being able to overcome the roadblocks to success that he encountered in Minnesota.

 

[blue9]

EVERY time he lost in the first round, he lost to another top 50 player with more help around them (Payton, Robinson/Duncan, Pippen, Dirk/Nash, Shaq/Kobe), not to mention that he had Flip Saunders as his head coach for his entire Wolves career. I don't fault him for not being able to overcome the roadblocks to success that he encountered in Minnesota.

But that's the thing...he lost EVERY time (except once?) and didn't even make the POs several times. If he were a Top 50 player he should have been able to hang with at least Payton Dirk/Nash (are they in the Top 50?). The truly great players of that era were always beating each other, but KG was always losing to them.

I don't deny that he had some road blocks - but great players overcome those road blocks. The KGs and Aldridges don't. The KGs and Aldridges only overcome those road blocks when other people do it for them.

 

[dviss1]

I'll never agree about KG. He was just such a bitch throughout his entire career. He was good, but never great - a perennial one-and-done until he got traded. Sorry, but Top 50 players don't routinely get punked in the 1st round...when they actually happen to MAKE the Playoffs. He's only a HOFer because he happened to play with Pierce, Rondo, and Ray towards the end of his career. Otherwise, he was a fully-realized version of Aldridge but with defense.

KG is a fake tough guy. Always picks on the weak. Slapped Wally Szczerbiak in practice. SLAPPED by soft ass Lamarsha??

I think you're overstating his offense.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

But that's the thing...he lost EVERY time (except once?) and didn't even make the POs several times. If he were a Top 50 player he should have been able to hang with at least Payton Dirk/Nash (are they in the Top 50?). The truly great players of that era were always beating each other, but KG was always losing to them.

I don't deny that he had some road blocks - but great players overcome those road blocks. The KGs and Aldridges don't. The KGs and Aldridges only overcome those road blocks when other people do it for them.

Flip

Saunders

That is all.

 

[dviss1]

More KG bitch shit...

 

[dviss1]

Flip

Saunders

That is all.

Fair enough.

 

[blue9]

KG is a fake tough guy. Always picks on the weak. Slapped Wally Szczerbiak in practice. SLAPPED by soft ass Lamarsha??

I think you're overstating his offense.

Totally agree? But whose offense am I overrating? I think both KG and LA were weakass bitches.

 

[dviss1]

Totally agree? But whose offense am I overrating? I think both KG and LA were weakass bitches.

@PtldPlatypus is overstating his offense. He's always been soft on offense.

 

[blue9]

@PtldPlatypus is overstating his offense. He's always been soft on offense.

Gotcha - I thought you were responding to me, so I was confused because you and I seem to share the same opinion.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

@PtldPlatypus is overstating his offense. He's always been soft on offense.

Soft, sure. But still efficient, effective, talented, and versatile. Just because he didn't play the way you might want a PF to play doesn't mean that he didn't do what he did extremely well.

 

[ripcityboy]

Whenever I think look at these lists and think of overrated and underrated, I think of Bobby Jones. He's all but forgotten now. He isn't even in the Hall of Fame but 4 time all star, 8 time all defensive team, Sixth Man of The Year, ABA All Star..... he was GOOD.