The US Military Is Bombing Libya? (1 Viewer)

[PapaG]

Did I miss the Congressional Joint Resolution authorizing these attacks?

Is this Obama's Illegal War?

 

[jlprk]

Fox News is totally for this war. But Republican legislators are keeping quiet so they can have it both ways later.

Only 3 simultaneous wars. Can this nation not do better? If Obama really looked, he could find War #4, #5, and #6.

I think we should just start numbering current wars instead of naming them. The only thing to name would be this planet, Hell.

 

[Minstrel]

Did I miss the Congressional Joint Resolution authorizing these attacks?

Is this Obama's Illegal War?

Can't call this one "Bay of Pigs," considering Islam's injunction against eating pork.

We should be culturally sensitive in naming our illegal wars, I think.

 

[Klinky]

The US is not declaring war on Libya, we are enforcing a UN security council resolution.

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2011/sc10200.doc.htm

 

[PapaG]

The US is not declaring war on Libya, we are enforcing a UN security council resolution.

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2011/sc10200.doc.htm

Bush had a UN resolution for Iraq, yet he also got congressional approval prior to bombing Iraq.

Obama is a warmonger. I think Qaddafi should go, so I admire Obama's balls in not only making a quick decision, but also doing it while on a family vacation in Rio.

The man has style.

 

[jlprk]

No debate preceded this action because the opposition party kept silent.

Shouldn't we go nuclear against the socialist Khadaffi? This will open new investment opportunities for our billionaires, trickling down to the rest of us, raising the American standard of living.

Will the body count be secret in this war, as in War #1 and War #2? Maybe we should return to bragging about the body count, as in all previous wars. What are the pluses and minuses? We don't want to look too conceited and alienate the world.

If Obama can finish War #1 by the next election, he'll be re-elected for sure, for keeping us in only 2 wars.

 

[jlprk]

I admire Obama's balls in not only making a quick decision, but also doing it while on a family vacation in Rio. The man has style.

Brazil showed its gratitude by being only 1 of 5 nations which abstained in the 15-nation vote. Joining the tiny percentage, the 1/3 of the nations abstaining from the unified UN solidarity, showed Brazil's un-American tendencies which should be investigated.

War #1 against the socialist Sadaam is almost over, freeing up a spot on our war roster. War #2 against the socialist Afghan Sharia law is at a peak. Obama is a socialist, but fortunately, Europe has stayed alert to start War #3 against yet another dictator who won't share power within his country with international investors. When will the dictators ever learn?

Where are the Republicans? Resting on their fat un-American laurels?

 

[Klinky]

Bush had a UN resolution for Iraq, yet he also got congressional approval prior to bombing Iraq.

?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_and_the_Iraq_War

"On September 16, 2004 Secretary-General of the United Nations Kofi Annan, speaking on the invasion, said, "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN Charter. From our point of view, from the charter point of view, it was illegal."[1]"

A) We actually do have a legitimate UN Security Council Resolution.
B) We have support from the Arab League.
C) We are not going it alone with a rag-tag coalition, nor do we have any troops on the ground. France was actually one of the first countries to intervene in Libya.
D) The Libyan people("rebels") were asking for support & intervention.

Yes, so comparatively Libya is about 100x more legit than the Iraq war.

 

[MARIS61]

?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_and_the_Iraq_War

"On September 16, 2004 Secretary-General of the United Nations Kofi Annan, speaking on the invasion, said, "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN Charter. From our point of view, from the charter point of view, it was illegal."[1]"

A) We actually do have a legitimate UN Security Council Resolution.
B) We have support from the Arab League.
C) We are not going it alone with a rag-tag coalition, nor do we have any troops on the ground. France was actually one of the first countries to intervene in Libya.
D) The Libyan people("rebels") were asking for support & intervention.

Yes, so comparatively Libya is about 100x more legit than the Iraq war.

Another war for profit and power in a country that hates us and we're on the side of the aggressors.

I looked up the definition of the word "legit", and that's not it.

 

[MARIS61]

Did I miss the Congressional Joint Resolution authorizing these attacks?

Is this Obama's Illegal War?

I'm finding the best updates on the President's moves are now on The Golf Channel.

 

[Klinky]

Another war for profit and power in a country that hates us and we're on the side of the aggressors.

I looked up the definition of the word "legit", and that's not it.

I am not sure how we're classified as "aggressors". Gaddafi is the one suppressing an active resistance, one that originally was peaceful until he turned violent on them. They were asking the world/UN for intervention...

 

[Natebishop3]

I am not sure how we're classified as "aggressors". Gaddafi is the one suppressing an active resistance, one that originally was peaceful until he turned violent on them. They were asking the world/UN for intervention...

And Saddam was beloved by his people?

 

[jlprk]

The pacifist Libyan generals paid off by British and French intelligence to secede have been forced to become militaristic to defend their newly-owned half of Libya against the government of Libya holding its country together. We must show Khadaffi how to not kill people by bombing Tripoli, as we are doing at this hour. For we are better than he. God is on our side.

Now let's get back to the killing. War #1 was old and needed an expansion pack, so War #3 will really sell. Happy times are here again!

 

[Klinky]

And Saddam was beloved by his people?

Where was the Iraqi resistance, rebellion & request for help before we invaded Iraq? Where was the spirit of revolution sweeping the Middle East? Neither of those things were there.

 

[PapaG]

Watching the ant-war libs spin this one is hilarious. The US just bombed a third Middle Eastern country while still fighting two wars, and this one is most definitely about oil. We simply don't have the money or the resources to effectively manage a third separate military engagement.

What happened to no blood for oil? What happened to not meddling in other countries? At the very least, the Commander-in-Chief should give more than a 60-second statement on this escalation of violence. Instead, he has 1000+ people, including his entire family, on spring break in Rio.

You really can't make this stuff up.

 

[MARIS61]

I am not sure how we're classified as "aggressors". Gaddafi is the one suppressing an active resistance, one that originally was peaceful until he turned violent on them. They were asking the world/UN for intervention...

We are aiding insurgents who are trying to overthrow a government that has been in power for decades, and they have not been peaceful at all and have taken over several cities by force. Just like Iraq, our real motives are money and power from oil and another military stronghold in the region to keep the dominos falling.

 

[Denny Crane]

Where was the Iraqi resistance, rebellion & request for help before we invaded Iraq? Where was the spirit of revolution sweeping the Middle East? Neither of those things were there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Anfal_Campaign

 

[PapaG]

Give Kucinich and the gang credit for not being hypocritical party-shills (like Klinky, for example).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/t/kucinich-impeach-obama-ov_49501380750213120.html

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51595.html

Liberal Democrats in uproar over Libya action


A hard-core group of liberal House Democrats is questioning the constitutionality of U.S. missile strikes against Libya, with one lawmaker raising the prospect of impeachment during a Democratic Caucus conference call on Saturday.

Reps. Jerrold Nadler (N.Y.), Donna Edwards (Md.), Mike Capuano (Mass.), Dennis Kucinich (Ohio), Maxine Waters (Calif.), Rob Andrews (N.J.), Sheila Jackson Lee (Texas), Barbara Lee (Calif.) and Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D.C.) “all strongly raised objections to the constitutionality of the president’s actions” during that call, said two Democratic lawmakers who took part.



Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51595.html#ixzz1HA77PTeV

 

[PapaG]

Things are getting serious.

 

[Klinky]

Watching the ant-war libs spin this one is hilarious. The US just bombed a third Middle Eastern country while still fighting two wars, and this one is most definitely about oil.

Iraq was not just about oil. There was plenty of money to be made elsewhere(*cough* Halliburton). Also I was not entirely against the war in Iraq, hypothetically it would have been nice to help the Iraqi people by removing Saddam & uniting it's different ethnic groups & factions into one big loving family. Our ability to successfully do that & the resources it would take are what I had doubts about.

We simply don't have the money or the resources to effectively manage a third separate military engagement.

Big difference between invading & taking over a country which you will slowly have to rebuild, basically on your own, versus enforcing a UN no-fly zone.

What happened to not meddling in other countries?

I would say it's not good to meddle in other countries business when there is not a consensus from your allies or the UN that there is a need to.

 

[Klinky]

We are aiding insurgents who are trying to overthrow a government that has been in power for decades, and they have not been peaceful at all and have taken over several cities by force.

A government who shoots peaceful protesters & starts killing defectors of it's own military for not killing civilians. That's why there is a "rebel" group, essentially they are protesters who have armed themselves against an overly aggressive government.

 

[Klinky]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Anfal_Campaign

Where is your time machine Denny? Were you able to transport them 15 years into the future to 2003?

 

[Klinky]

Give Kucinich and the gang credit for not being hypocritical party-shills (like Klinky, for example).

Well, I am not sure I'd align myself entirely with the democrats. Not all military actions are the same, done for the same reasons or have the same outcomes. Acting like missile strikes while enforcing a UN no-fly zone is similar to a declaration of war & occupation that includes a ground invasion on another country is silly.

 

[Denny Crane]

Where is your time machine Denny? Were you able to transport them 15 years into the future to 2003?

Sadam bulldozed between 4000 and 5000 entire villages. He mass murdered 300,000+ of his people when they sought independence. You asked the question, but you don't like the answer (the truth). And if you think his past actions didn't deter many from trying again in 1991 when GHW Bush called for the Iraqi people to overthrow Saddam, think again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_uprisings_in_Iraq

The revolt was fueled by the perception that the power of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein was vulnerable at the time; as well as by heavily fueled anger at government repression and the devastation wrought by two wars in a decade, the Iran-Iraq War and the Gulf War. United States also played a role in encouraging the uprisings, which were then controversially not aided by the U.S. forces present on Iraqi soil.

...

During the few weeks of unrest tens of thousands of people were killed. Many more died during the following months, while nearly two million Iraqis fled for their lives. In the aftermath, the government intensified the forced relocating of Marsh Arabs and the draining of the Iraqi marshlands, while the Allies established the Iraqi no-fly zones.

 

[Natebishop3]

A government who shoots peaceful protesters & starts killing defectors of it's own military for not killing civilians. That's why there is a "rebel" group, essentially they are protesters who have armed themselves against an overly aggressive government.

ROFL.... Has the Lib government gassed their people yet? As bad as things are in Libya right now, it pales by comparison to the things that Saddam did to his people, so why don't you take a closer look at your argument. Are you in favor of this because it's the right thing to do or are you in favor of this because it's your Messiah?

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...n-libya/2011/03/20/AB1pSg1_story.html?hpid=z3

Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

CAIRO—The Arab League secretary general, Amr Moussa, deplored the broad scope of the U.S.-European bombing campaign in Libya and said Sunday that he would call a league meeting to reconsider Arab approval of the Western military intervention.

Moussa said the Arab League’s approval of a no-fly zone on March 12 was based on a desire to prevent Moammar Gaddafi’s air force from attacking civilians and was not designed to endorse the intense bombing and missile attacks — including on Tripoli, the capital, and on Libyan ground forces — whose images have filled Arab television screens for two days.

“What is happening in Libya differs from the aim of imposing a no-fly zone,” he said in a statement on the official Middle East News Agency. “And what we want is the protection of civilians and not the shelling of more civilians.”

 

[Denny Crane]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-03-19-18-32-15

Anti-war protesters arrested near White House

WASHINGTON (AP) -- More than 100 anti-war protesters, including the man who leaked the Pentagon Papers, were arrested outside the White House in demonstrations marking the eighth anniversary of the U.S.-led war in Iraq.

The protesters, some shouting anti-war slogans and singing "We Shall Not Be Moved," were arrested Saturday after ignoring orders to move away from the gates of the White House. The demonstrators cheered loudly as Daniel Ellsberg, the former military analyst who in 1971 leaked the Pentagon's secret history of the Vietnam War that was later published in major newspapers, was arrested and led away by police.

In New York City, about 80 protesters gathered near the U.S. military recruiting center in Times Square, chanting "No to war" and carrying banners that read, "I am not paying for war" and "Butter not guns."

Similar protests marking the start of the Iraq war also were organized Saturday in San Francisco, Chicago and other cities.

 

[Klinky]

Sadam bulldozed between 4000 and 5000 entire villages. He mass murdered 300,000+ of his people when they sought independence.

Who is stating that Saddam wasn't a terrible person?

While Saddam was terrible, there are many groups within Iraq who would like to kill each other. There is no guarantee that a Saddam-less Iraq would have been less bloody. We could hum and hah, all day long about possible outcomes and what could have been done when & where - in the past.

Should we have intervened and helped the Iraqi people who were fighting against Saddam in the past? Perhaps so. That doesn't necessarily have bearing on the conditions that surrounded Iraq in 2003 when the US invaded or the conditions surrounding Libya in 2011.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_uprisings_in_Iraq

Yes, I am aware of this too. This was not an "organic" uprising, it resulted from US intervention. Perhaps the US should have monopolized on it, but I believe the the mentality of military leaders & George Bush Sr at the time was that Iraq was no cakewalk & could turn into a Vietnam. Look how easy it has been to train the Iraqi Army to defend itself and to install a new functioning government. It was a dick move by Bush Sr though.

 

[Klinky]

ROFL.... Has the Lib government gassed their people yet? As bad as things are in Libya right now, it pales by comparison to the things that Saddam did to his people, so why don't you take a closer look at your argument.

So is Gaddifi a nice guy? Does it really matter if Gaddafi gassed his own people or not? It has little to do with which guy was more ruthless & more to do with the sustainability of the outcome from our efforts.

Are you in favor of this because it's the right thing to do or are you in favor of this because it's your Messiah?

Seriously?

 

[MARIS61]

A government who shoots peaceful protesters & starts killing defectors of it's own military for not killing civilians. That's why there is a "rebel" group, essentially they are protesters who have armed themselves against an overly aggressive government.

Libya is responding to insurgents exactly the same way our DHS has plans to deal with us if/when we get uncomfortable enough to revolt.