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I liked it. Its cool, hope to see more from it. I never read the comics so I get something new everytime I watch it.
 
Ronan said:
It was quite good. More action than the first but still lacking.
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Deadheads were running in that episode, I thought you'd be geeked.
 
speeds said:
Deadheads were running in that episode, I thought you'd be geeked.
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Yeah, I actually like the speed they run at. It would still be a challenge. I know I'll be geeked later on in the series but right now they're mainly focusing on giving the main characters some personalities.
 
Why does Shane seem scared of Rick?

Rick can't be any more than 170 lbs, and Shane looks like he can kick his ass in a minute.
 
I really want to like zombie films. But I can never get beyond the obvious problems with the plot. Fer instance, how does that tank in the city lose to a bunch of zombies? I mean, if Iraq teaches us anything it's that it's basically impossible to stop tanks with anything short of a shit-ton of IED, and those IED's aren't getting made by brain eaters. You put a dozen tanks in any major city, and I guarantee you your zombie problem is over. They'd simply run over the fuckers, day after day, until none were left. Not to mention helicopters.

I guess you could argue that zombies would overrun the military bases, and yeah, that'd probably happen sometimes. But the military adapts to stuff like that, and not all of them would lose out. The bases that successfully defended would set up operations to take back the ones that weren't, and again you have it all over and done with pretty quickly.

Meh, anyway it's a fun show to watch with reasonably good acting and stunningly high production values for basic cable. I'm hooked. I just have to stop thinking too hard and, well, zombie.....
 
Sex Panther said:
Why does Shane seem scared of Rick?

Rick can't be any more than 170 lbs, and Shane looks like he can kick his ass in a minute.
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Rick is a badass.
 
mook said:
I really want to like zombie films. But I can never get beyond the obvious problems with the plot. Fer instance, how does that tank in the city lose to a bunch of zombies? I mean, if Iraq teaches us anything it's that it's basically impossible to stop tanks with anything short of a shit-ton of IED, and those IED's aren't getting made by brain eaters. You put a dozen tanks in any major city, and I guarantee you your zombie problem is over. They'd simply run over the fuckers, day after day, until none were left. Not to mention helicopters.

I guess you could argue that zombies would overrun the military bases, and yeah, that'd probably happen sometimes. But the military adapts to stuff like that, and not all of them would lose out. The bases that successfully defended would set up operations to take back the ones that weren't, and again you have it all over and done with pretty quickly.

Meh, anyway it's a fun show to watch with reasonably good acting and stunningly high production values for basic cable. I'm hooked. I just have to stop thinking too hard and, well, zombie.....
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I've spent a lot of time writing and thinking about this. One of the best resources for looking at what a zombie plague might be like is the book The World Without Us, or the show Life After People. It is hard to imagine how quickly shit can fall apart if everyone decided to look after themselves in a crisis, which is exactly what you'd expect in a zombie plague.

TWD picks up a week or two into the infestation. Power is already out across the country, meaning there is no clean water, sewage pumps have stopped, food is spoiling, fires are raging in every major town and city, nuclear waste (which has been supercooled to this point) is melting down causing radiation worse than Chernobyl in dozens of locations across the US, gas stations are dry and dangerous... its a total shit show.

You have to figure the military, including police and reservists, are already spread thin with the bulk of troops serving overseas. I don't know what percentage you would expect to not immediately go back home and look after their families first, but anything more than 5% would be generous. Obviously guys stationed at bases or facilities away from their homes would be trying to get home like everyone else, and it goes without saying that every major roadway would be a demolition derby.

With regards to tanks and helicopters--they need fuel. They also need operators. Assuming they had an ample supply of both, they need orders. I don't think it is hard to imagine that driving a tank down 5th Ave. wouldn't get much accomplished. The priority would be transporting people to safety. I think we've already seen with the FEMA response to Hurricane Katrina that without good organization and swift action shit gets out of hand almost instantly. You can have boots on the ground but you're dealing with an immortal enemy... even bombing the shit out of every city wouldn't guarantee anything.

With regards to well-organized militias and secure bases--sure, that's something you'd see initially. Supposing they are keeping guys from leaving and defending well, they could last as long as their supplies held up. If you've ever seen Day of the Dead (the original, not the horrid remake) it is about a similar situation where people are holed-up in an underground bunker, popping out intermittently to rescue survivors. Their safety would've lasted forever if they could've gotten along but that is a lot to ask of dissimilar people in a seriously difficult situation. If TWD stays on the air you'll eventually see similar situations play out.
 
This article pretty much summarizes the Zombie Dilemma better than I could:

7 Scientific Reasons a Zombie Outbreak Would Fail (Quickly)

But here's the point I was trying to make (FTA):

As we touched on briefly above, if Homo sapiens are good at one thing, it's killing other things. We're so good at it that we've made entire other species cease to exist without even trying. Add to the mix the sheer number of armed rednecks and hunters out there, and the zombies don't even stand a chance. There were over 14 million people hunting with a license in the U.S. in 2004. At a minimum, that's like an armed force the size of the great Los Angeles area.
Remember, the whole reason hunting licenses exist is to limit the number of animals you're allowed to kill, because if you just declared free reign for everybody with a gun, everything in the forest would be dead by sundown. Even the trees would be mounted proudly above the late-arriving hunter's mantles. It's safe to assume that when the game changes from "three deer" to "all the rotting dead people trying to eat us," there will be no shortage of volunteers.
Plus, if we look at zombies as a species, they are pretty much designed for failure. Their main form of reproduction is also their only source of food and their top predator. If they want to eat or reproduce, they have to go toe to toe with their number one predator every single time. That's like having to fight a lion every time you to want to have sex or make a sandwich. Actually, it's worse than that: Most top predators are only armed with teeth and claws, meaning they have to put themselves in harm's way to score a kill. Humans have rifles.
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The zombies have no choice but to walk into bullets. And all this isn't even counting all the other household hand guns in the world, nor the fact that zombies also have to contend with IEDs, Molotov cocktails, baseball bats, crowbars and cars that the general public will no doubt be using to cull their numbers.
And that's just from the civilian population; counting the military and police, we have another three million or so armed people, and instead of just handguns shotguns and hunting rifles, they have machine guns, combat shotguns, sniper rifles, assault rifles, sub-machine guns, grenade launchers and the occasional taser, not to mention the training to use them effectively. But why would they even bother? When they could just roll over swaths of zombies in tanks, blast them with cluster bombs and MOABs and mow them down with miniguns from the god damn Air Force that every zombie flick seems to forget about.
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Really, even if zombies existed right now, the whole concept of a zombie apocalypse is just laughable. Now robots, on the other hand...
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Really, the scariest part of a zombie apocalypse would be the first 6 hours when nobody knew what was going on. You'd see a lot of people getting bit and the disease spreading at a surprising rate. But it'd soon taper off, for the same reason rabies has never taken over the planet. People figure out you should probably kill dogs with foaming mouths (or at least keep your distance). Within a few hours of this going down the CDC would have every media broadcaster and Twitter and Facebook account on the planet telling you to walk at a reasonably fast pace away from anybody moaning and acting generally zombie-like.

I can concede that I could be taken out by a zombie hord. But I own 5 or so guns, and have no problem defending myself. I'd estimate that I could reasonably expect to kill 5-10 zombies before one did me in. A lot of people wouldn't be as effective as me, but some would be a lot more. The average GI or cop could probably waste 20 or 30. It'd be hard to do that if it's your kid or your mom or your wife being a zombie, but otherwise I think those are pretty easy orders to follow. Much simpler to contain than SARS or the flu.

A pissed off truck driver could probably waste hundreds. So on average I'd expect the average person to be able to kill maybe 1-2 zombies before succumbing. That's a pretty poor virus that can't even maintain its replacement rate.
 
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There has to be a certain amount of unscientific thinking regarding the nature of the zombies for the genre to work.
 
mook said:
Really, the scariest part of a zombie apocalypse would be the first 6 hours when nobody knew what was going on. You'd see a lot of people getting bit and the disease spreading at a surprising rate. But it'd soon taper off, for the same reason rabies has never taken over the planet. People figure out you should probably kill dogs with foaming mouths (or at least keep your distance). Within a few hours of this going down the CDC would have every media broadcaster and Twitter and Facebook account on the planet telling you to walk at a reasonably fast pace away from anybody moaning and acting generally zombie-like.

I can concede that I could be taken out by a zombie hord. But I own 5 or so guns, and have no problem defending myself. I'd estimate that I could reasonably expect to kill 5-10 zombies before one did me in. A lot of people wouldn't be as effective as me, but some would be a lot more. The average GI or cop could probably waste 20 or 30. It'd be hard to do that if it's your kid or your mom or your wife being a zombie, but otherwise I think those are pretty easy orders to follow. Much simpler to contain than SARS or the flu.

A pissed off truck driver could probably waste hundreds. So on average I'd expect the average person to be able to kill maybe 1-2 zombies before succumbing. That's a pretty poor virus that can't even maintain its replacement rate.
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Walking zombies or sprinting?
 
Whenever shows like these (or just about every show nowadays) are on air, you just need to think about two words : 'suspended disbelief'.

Enjoy the show :)
 
Ronan said:
Can you be more descriptive? Who are Shane and Rick?
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Rick Grimes is the main character. Always found to be wearing his sheriff uniform. I find that part kinda funny.

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Shane is his partner and best friend.

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And I'm having a hard time figuring out what happened with Lori and Shane. Did he lie to her, saying Rick was dead, which lead to the two of them knocking boots, or was she cheating on Rick beforehand?
 
Sex Panther said:
Whenever shows like these (or just about every show nowadays) are on air, you just need to think about two words : 'suspended disbelief'.

Enjoy the show :)
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Yeah, that's true enough.

I just wish there was something equivalent with a few rule changes. Maybe instead of zombies they're like the Flood from Halo. That shit just keeps reproducing like crazy, and you have to keep killing it back like a weed or you are seriously fucked.

Or maybe the zombies are the result of half of humanity being wiped out by an airborn virus.

*shrug*

For all my complaining, I really do enjoy the show.
 
Needs more zombie guts...
 
mook said:
Yeah, that's true enough.

I just wish there was something equivalent with a few rule changes. Maybe instead of zombies they're like the Flood from Halo. That shit just keeps reproducing like crazy, and you have to keep killing it back like a weed or you are seriously fucked.

Or maybe the zombies are the result of half of humanity being wiped out by an airborn virus.

*shrug*

For all my complaining, I really do enjoy the show.
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Kind of like you prefer the body snatchers angle, then.
 
Sex Panther said:
And I'm having a hard time figuring out what happened with Lori and Shane. Did he lie to her, saying Rick was dead, which lead to the two of them knocking boots, or was she cheating on Rick beforehand?
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The show is different than the comic in this regard. They just had a one-off in the comic (IIRC) that Lori explained as a moment of loneliness--and only after they thought Rick was gone. Looks like there will be more to it on the show.
 
How accurate was this episode? So far from what your saying its a bit different. Good series none the less.
 
Last night's episode was damn good, I'd put it up right behind the first episode.

Cannot wait for 2nd season, does anyone have a time-line for that?
 
DPGB said:
How accurate was this episode? So far from what your saying its a bit different. Good series none the less.
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Pretty much forging a new storyline now.
 
So this is different from the comics?

I hope they have one hot chick eventually show up in this series.
 
Sex Panther said:
So this is different from the comics?

I hope they have one hot chick eventually show up in this series.
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Yeah. Seems like they started from the same place and then went in a new direction. Probably because they only have six episodes.
 
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