OT The way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, unless the good guy is black

[Hobbesarable]

Hopefully the police were wearing body cameras.

IMO, they should be wearing the cameras at all times with clear video and audio.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

IMO, they should be wearing the cameras at all times with clear video and audio.

Too lazy to search if they have them. They need gun cameras if they don't.

Turns on when gun leaves the holster.

 

[dviss1]

You mind readers need to show me how to do this.

All the way from the west coast you can know what the cop was thinking. That's impressive as fuck.

You just read his mind when you said what he wasn't thinking about.

 

[dviss1]

Where to begin destroying this delusional post.

Nobody says it is OK that an innocent guy was killed.

The left is the side that is CERTAIN this cop is a racist and that's why anyone on the right is even talking about it.

Nobody knows what happened and the LEFT is rushing to judgement.

We're supposed to decide if it was justified without any of us seeing any video...and even if we do we can't ask the dead security guard what he heard.

You didn't say it in those words, but to immediately come up with reasons to give the cop an out achieves the same outcome.

You do this a lot man.

 

[Cippy91]

So...if a cop shoots an innocent person, but it is because of panic or incompetence rather than race, that's OK?

That does seem to be the argument some righties are making - all many of them want to talk about is the racial angle, and ignore if the shooting was actually justified.

Dude, nobody is saying it’s okay. Go do that job. I would love for you to be put in that position and see what you do. All you know is a shooting is going on, this is what you’re responding to. You see a guy with a gun when you pull up.

This whole thread is a racial angle. Look at the damn title. Basically saying because he was black, he was killed. I’m saying hey you’re probably wrong, I have seen this exact situation played out with other races. Never said it was okay but understand where the police come from.

By the way, I’m not a”righty”. I’m just looking at shit objectively since most of this OT section is logically inconsistent

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

You didn't say it in those words, but to immediately come up with reasons to give the cop an out achieves the same outcome.

You do this a lot man.

I know that whole "innocent until proven guilty" garbage.

What I do KNOW is that none of us were there. What I also KNOW is that I haven't seen any evidence presented that the cop is a racist. Not even a facebook post or interview with an ex girlfriend.....nothing.

Shot a black guy by mistake? Racist!

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

You just read his mind when you said what he wasn't thinking about.

No I didn't. I have no idea what happened or what he was thinking. That's for investigators on the scene.

 

[MarAzul]

So...if a cop shoots an innocent person, but it is because of panic or incompetence rather than race, that's OK?

That does seem to be the argument some righties are making - all many of them want to talk about is the racial angle, and ignore if the shooting was actually justified.

The shootings are probably not justifiable in all events. But you do know, every city in the US is run by Democrats.
Has been for many years now. Why do you libs do this then bitch about what you get???

 

[dviss1]

I know that whole "innocent until proven guilty" garbage.

Black people aren't afforded this. The man who was shot WHILE PREVENTING a mass shooting wasn't afforded this either.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Black people aren't afforded this. The man who was shot WHILE PREVENTING a mass shooting wasn't afforded this either.

Not my fault.

It is still my nature to give everyone the same treatment and to be skeptical of everything.

My wife gets mad when she says something like "the tomato sauce wasn't down that aisle" when we're at the grocery store and I still go look.

Plenty of times she is wrong. She wants me to just trust her. Unfortunately for her, I don't KNOW the tomato sauce isn't there because she said so.

 

[dviss1]

Not my fault.

It is still my nature to give everyone the same treatment and to be skeptical of everything.

My wife gets mad when she says something like "the tomato sauce wasn't down that aisle" when we're at the grocery store and I still go look.

Plenty of times she is wrong. She wants me to just trust her. Unfortunately for her, I don't KNOW the tomato sauce isn't there because she said so.

You missed the point.

Fuck giving this officer that presumption of innocence when he didn't give that to the HERO who was preventing violence.

Bottom line, you fuck up badly at your job you get fired.

AT BEST this cop fucked up badly.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

You missed the point.

Fuck giving this officer that presumption of innocence when he didn't give that to the HERO who was preventing violence.

Bottom line, you fuck up badly at your job you get fired.

AT BEST this cop fucked up badly.

That's all I'm saying. He may have just fucked up. I don't know. Nobody does, certainly not yet.

Cops fuck up all the time. So do dentists and doctors and lawyers and any other career with human beings.

I jump to conclusions just like everyone else but I won't be surprised if Avenatti is innocent. I'll be less surprised if he's guilty because he just strikes me as the violent temper type (takes one to know one)

 

[dviss1]

That's all I'm saying. He may have just fucked up. I don't know. Nobody does, certainly not yet.

Cops fuck up all the time. So do dentists and doctors and lawyers and any other career with human beings.

I jump to conclusions just like everyone else but I won't be surprised if Avenatti is innocent. I'll be less surprised if he's guilty because he just strikes me as the violent temper type (takes one to know one)

You fuck up and shoot somebody you should be prosecuted. Sorry. It's at least reckless endangerment.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

You fuck up and shoot somebody you should be prosecuted. Sorry. It's at least reckless endangerment.

I don't know what he should get. I don't know why he did it.

It sucks but the cop is in a really dangerous job and so was the security guard.

I don't want either. If I could go back in time I'd be Frasier from Cheers. What a cake job that is.

 

[MarAzul]

I don't want either.

Man! Ain't that a fact!
Rasheed that used to post in here before he was run off, got on with a police force. Dang, when I heard that, I didn't know whether to be please for him or not. It is what he was looking for, but....

Most of the issues these guys have with police are really cause by policy issues. The Democrats control the police forces over most of this nation. S2 is full of those voters. And they wail about what they get!!!

 

[Lanny]

Dude, nobody is saying it’s okay. Go do that job. I would love for you to be put in that position and see what you do. All you know is a shooting is going on, this is what you’re responding to. You see a guy with a gun when you pull up.

This whole thread is a racial angle. Look at the damn title. Basically saying because he was black, he was killed. I’m saying hey you’re probably wrong, I have seen this exact situation played out with other races. Never said it was okay but understand where the police come from.

By the way, I’m not a”righty”. I’m just looking at shit objectively since most of this OT section is logically inconsistent

So, you're saying you're perfect in your approach and we're all flawed? Hmm, I've never heard this before.

 

[Lanny]

I don't know what he should get. I don't know why he did it.

It sucks but the cop is in a really dangerous job and so was the security guard.

I don't want either. If I could go back in time I'd be Frasier from Cheers. What a cake job that is.

I don't want either job, also. That's yet another reason why I stayed in school and got a job in engineering. By the way, this was also the reason I had no interest in a medical career. Lot of disgusting blood and other medical gore.

 

[Cippy91]

So, you're saying you're perfect in your approach and we're all flawed? Hmm, I've never heard this before.

Where did I say I was perfect? What are you talking about?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I don't want either job, also. That's yet another reason why I stayed in school and got a job in engineering. By the way, this was also the reason I had no interest in a medical career. Lot of disgusting blood and other medical gore.

That bothered me when I was a kid and doesn't bother me at all now. I like watching surgery videos.

 

[Lanny]

Where did I say I was perfect? What are you talking about?

"I’m just looking at shit objectively since most of this OT section is logically inconsistent"

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

"I’m just looking at shit objectively since most of this OT section is logically inconsistent"

He's absolutely correct.

I think I'd rather drink Flint Michigan water than Portland water. There's something in it worse than lead.

 

[Cippy91]

"I’m just looking at shit objectively since most of this OT section is logically inconsistent"

That’s not saying I’m perfect. I’m saying the OT section is filled with inconsistent logic. On one hand you got people upset about this yet nobody is outraged when a white guy gets killed by the police the same way. I’m just saying, if you’re gonna have a viewpoint, be consistent with it all around, but people pick and choose around here. A good reason why it hasbecome an echo chamber. Those with different opinions don’t like posting here very much anymore. People are logically inconsistent, a couple on the right are as well but it’s mostly the left here. People like me are labeled as “right wing” because I have some conservative view points but I also have viewpoints from the left. I would say equal viewpoints right and left. However I never said I wasn’t perfect, nobody is and if they claim to be, they are lying to themselves.

 

[Cippy91]

He's absolutely correct.

I think I'd rather drink Flint Michigan water than Portland water. There's something in it worse than lead.

For example. I don’t like Donald trump very much but he’s definitely somebody people here are over dramatic about. He’s apparently racist because he hasn’t gone after black people in entertainment and so on. The narrative is spun into “here’s trump going after another black person”. Trump hasn’t gone after tons of white people such as Rosie o donnel, Ted Cruz, stormy, etc. the list really goes on. He’s just an asshole. It’s how he is. Yet the same side spins it to make it look like he’s racist. Oh and they also still claim he grabs women without consent because they wanna play dumb and act like they have never heard guys talk like that such as in the infamous pussy grabbing audio clip. People are just playing stupid to fit the narrative. I don’t give a shit about trump but when it comes to him at least be logically consistent with it.

 

[MarAzul]

He's absolutely correct.

I think I'd rather drink Flint Michigan water than Portland water. There's something in it worse than lead.

Yeah! It's been 123 years now, water has been flowing into town through that first cast iron pipeline. Cast in Oswego out of whatever junk they could find. It may have prevented the trots & typhoid, but who knows.

 

[MarAzul]

He’s apparently racist

Well you can ask what the hell that means, but as near as I can see by the application, it mean everyone other than Democrat or Socialist. It is meant to be divisive with little meaning beyond that purpose.

 

[Lanny]

That’s not saying I’m perfect. I’m saying the OT section is filled with inconsistent logic. On one hand you got people upset about this yet nobody is outraged when a white guy gets killed by the police the same way. I’m just saying, if you’re gonna have a viewpoint, be consistent with it all around, but people pick and choose around here. A good reason why it hasbecome an echo chamber. Those with different opinions don’t like posting here very much anymore. People are logically inconsistent, a couple on the right are as well but it’s mostly the left here. People like me are labeled as “right wing” because I have some conservative view points but I also have viewpoints from the left. I would say equal viewpoints right and left. However I never said I wasn’t perfect, nobody is and if they claim to be, they are lying to themselves.

I think your statement speaks for itself. However, I don't think it's such a big deal that it's worthy of a lengthy exchange.

 

[Hobbesarable]

"I’m just looking at shit objectively since most of this OT section is logically inconsistent"

Now, that deserves a true, blue :$hobbs$: big laugh

 

[jonnyboy]

I just dont get how this happened. Surely any security guard with the authority to brandish a firearm is dressed accordingly with a badge, uniform ect. This cop fucked up big time. That dude was a hero.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I just dont get how this happened. Surely any security guard with the authority to brandish a firearm is dressed accordingly with a badge, uniform ect. This cop fucked up big time. That dude was a hero.

Cops tried to claim he wasn't in uniform. The witnesses say he was. Common sense says the cops are just making stuff up.