The Whitesox get it...

[Rick2583]

I have been saying for several years now that the Yankees should hire someone like Ricky Henderson to work with Gardner but nothing. And Gardner continues to be one of the worst so-called base stealers I've ever seen. So what does this have to do with the Whitesox? Well, they've just hired Vince Coleman as there base running instructor.

 

[Yankeefan5545]

Right now it is my belief that we are not getting the bang for the buck from the Yankees "braintrust". The Yankees need to get Jeter into that ownership group to maintain some credibility with the fan base. Very embarrassing that the Jurassic Park Trio of Sabathia, A-hole, and Tex have become the Edsels of the franchise, preventing any type of trade movements. I should be proud that the start of this season will mark my 60th year as a fan but this team in my view is not going to fare well unless we witness a major miracle.

 

[yankeesince59]

^^^yup, been saying this for awhile...the Steins have to go.

 

[Hammerojustice]

Right now it is my belief that we are not getting the bang for the buck from the Yankees "braintrust". The Yankees need to get Jeter into that ownership group to maintain some credibility with the fan base. Very embarrassing that the Jurassic Park Trio of Sabathia, A-hole, and Tex have become the Edsels of the franchise, preventing any type of trade movements. I should be proud that the start of this season will mark my 60th year as a fan but this team in my view is not going to fare well unless we witness a major miracle.

Yes, the Brothers Grimm are at the source

 

[totus44]

Meh......steins get a break in my book until 2017, see how the franchise retooling goes.

 

[blgridesagain]

I have been saying for several years now that the Yankees should hire someone like Ricky Henderson to work with Gardner but nothing. And Gardner continues to be one of the worst so-called base stealers I've ever seen. So what does this have to do with the Whitesox? Well, they've just hired Vince Coleman as there base running instructor.

What is this obsession with Gardner running bases?
Maybe we should call upon the baseball gods to keep him healthy enough to play at least 145 or so games, play good defense, do his thing with the bat and steal 25-35 bases.....the difference between Gardner stealing 25/35 bases and stealing 40-50 bases is not a major factor in the Yankees qualifying for a playoff spot....
IMO


Any boarders care to comment?

Yes- No ? lol

 

[Rick2583]

What is this obsession with Gardner running bases?
Maybe we should call upon the baseball gods to keep him healthy enough to play at least 145 or so games, play good defense, do his thing with the bat and steal 25-35 bases.....the difference between Gardner stealing 25/35 bases and stealing 40-50 bases is not a major factor in the Yankees qualifying for a playoff spot....
IMO


Any boarders care to comment?

Yes- No ? lol

If you haven't seen the problems with Gardner's base running then you haven't been following the game very long or very closely. He's got the speed he just doesn't have the proper instincts.

 

[blgridesagain]

If you haven't seen the problems with Gardner's base running then you haven't been following the game very long or very closely. He's got the speed he just doesn't have the proper instincts.

blg post 6

..."the difference between Gardner stealing 25/35 bases and stealing 40-50 bases is not a major factor in the Yankees qualifying for a playoff spot"....

Allow me to add➡ Gardner's base running skills are rather low on the Yankees' priorities.

I'll leave it at that...don't want to be redundant.

Yawn.

 

[Rick2583]

blg post 6

..."the difference between Gardner stealing 25/35 bases and stealing 40-50 bases is not a major factor in the Yankees qualifying for a playoff spot"....

I'll leave it at that...don't want to be redundant.

Yawn.

Great point, I mean why add more offense when its not needed.

Yawn.

 

[blgridesagain]

Great point, I mean why add more offense when its not needed.

Yawn.

lol

 

[totus44]

I've always wondered how much influence Jeter had on Gardner's base running.....we shall see.

 

[yankeesince59]

Great point, I mean why add more offense when its not needed.

^^^yup...Gardner stealing an additional 15 bases would equate to an extra 5-6 runs...which in turn during the course of the season that could possibly equate to at least another couple of wins...but yeah, it's not important.

 

[Rick2583]

^^^yup...Gardner stealing an additional 15 bases would equate to an extra 5-6 runs...which in turn during the course of the season that could possibly equate to at least another couple of wins...but yeah, it's not important.

I'll tell you Ron sometimes I just have to shake my head and ask........what the fuck?

 

[yankeesince59]

...I know... I'm just glad some came up with "WTF?"... so I wouldn't have to type out the words so freaking often.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

1st of all, I like Edsels, the metaphor no longer applies here IMO.

2nd- both Gardner and Ellsbury should be stealing a minimum of 40 bases period. With Ellsbury stealing more like 50-60, tho' that may be quit a stretch, yet we all know Jacoby can do it, and Gardner should be doing it...

I agree, Ricky Henderson could help the team.....Whitey Herzog insisted as Torre also did with:
"Get 'em on, get 'em over, get 'em in....." albeit a stolen base, or a base hit, even a sacrifice, tho' I'd rather see some small ball, quick strike offense....

It can and has wreaked havoc on opposing pitchers, to have a couple or few base stealers, like Ricky who stole at will, tho' Gardner seems to get caught out, damn near 1/2 of the time he tries to rob a bag.....

The mixture of small ball, with long ball 3 run HR, and either a group of SP's who can go the complete 9 inning distance, or- SP's who come off the mound at the end of the 6th inning, to let a hopefully shut down Bull Pen take over, make the game short, or a 6 inning affair.....

That is one main reason, we will be lucky to see any SP win more than 20 or 21 games, (even that is a fading stat); let alone 300 Wins....!

 

[Rick2583]

Gardner can't read pitchers to save his ass, and runs to late in the counts.

 

[blgridesagain]

Ellsbury was 2nd in the league in SB.....Gardner was tied for 13th in SB with 21.
Maybe if Gardy raises his OBP higher than .327 he can steal a few more bases.
He's not exactly a big time hitter....the least he can do is get on base more often than .327 clip.
...maybe it's more important for him to GET ON BASE MORE OFTEN.

bbbbut.....iiiiiifffff......Gardy can steal more bases, we'll win 5 or 6 more games.
lol


This guy (Gardner) needs to remain/stay healthy and get on base more often.


clowns

 

[Rick2583]

Ellsbury was 2nd in the league in SB.....Gardner was tied for 13th in SB with 21.
Maybe if Gardy raises his OBP higher than .327 he can steal a few more bases.
He's not exactly a big time hitter....the least he can do is get on base more often than .327 clip.
...maybe it's more important for him to GET ON BASE MORE OFTEN.

bbbbut.....iiiiiifffff......Gardy can steal more bases, we'll win 5 or 6 more games.
lol


This guy (Gardner) needs to remain/stay healthy and get on base more often.


clowns

Have you considered hockey

 

[totus44]

Gardner can't read pitchers to save his ass, and runs to late in the counts.

And he runs too late in counts as well.

 

[Rick2583]

And he runs too late in counts as well.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[blgridesagain]

Have you considered hockey

Have you considered Math?
Gardner's OBP leaves a lot to be desired.
We all know he's not known as a "power hitter".
OBP - .327
BA - .256
That's a lot of times NOT getting on base

On base more often = more opportunities to steal a base.


wow

...and these are "baseball fans"?
Beam me up Scotty.

 

[Rick2583]

Genius try & keep up, no one is talking about his OBP were talking about what he does when he DOES get on base. Or better yet what he DOESN'T do when he gets on base. He had PLENTY of opportunities last season but because of his lack of knowledge on the base paths & his inability to read the pitchers he sucked plain & simple.

Seriously. did this really need explaining?

 

[yankeesince59]

Have you considered hockey

...hmmm....I just thought it was some sort of more of his ebonics, version 2015.

 

[yankeesince59]

Have you considered Math?
Gardner's OBP leaves a lot to be desired.
We all know he's not known as a "power hitter".
OBP - .327
BA - .256
That's a lot of times NOT getting on base

On base more often = more opportunities to steal a base.


wow

...and these are "baseball fans"?
Beam me up Scotty.

...reading comprehension/retention is not your friend...I swear it seems like your drunk 1/2 the time you post.

 

[blgridesagain]

...reading comprehension/retention is not your friend...I swear it seems like your drunk 1/2 the time you post.

And?
Care to point out any inaccuracies with Gardner's numbers I supplied?
Maybe you believe he won't have more opportunities to steal bases if he reached base more often?
.327 OBP......he ISNT an aggressive base stealer...so, if he could/should reach base more often, he should/ could steal more bases.


You seem to be in the "majority" disagreeing with me when I said (post 6):
..the difference between Gardner stealing 25/35 bases and stealing 40-50 bases is not a major factor in the Yankees qualifying for a playoff spot....


You're move professor.

And any other "yes men" are welcome.

 

[Rick2583]

Funny how you just jumped right over post #22

 

[blgridesagain]

Genius try & keep up, no one is talking about his OBP were talking about what he does when he DOES get on base. Or better yet what he DOESN'T do when he gets on base. He had PLENTY of opportunities last season but because of his lack of knowledge on the base paths & his inability to read the pitchers he sucked plain & simple.

Seriously. did this really need explaining?

The Yankees' most glaring embarrassing weakness last year was scoring runs.
Can we agree on that?

They were 3rd from the bottom in the A.L in scoring,
...4 runs more than Houston, 21 more than Tampa.
The Yanks were 3rd best in the A.L. in SB with 112.

I guess if Gardner can steal 20/30 more bases the Yanks are in the postseason next year.
lol


C'mon.....you're barking up the wrong tree.
If Gardner hit .265-.275 with an OBP of approx .350 you wouldn't be talking about him stealing only 21 bases.

 

[Rick2583]

The Yankees' most glaring embarrassing weakness last year was scoring runs.
Can we agree on that?

They were 3rd from the bottom in the A.L in scoring,
...4 runs more than Houston, 21 more than Tampa.
The Yanks were 3rd best in the A.L. in SB with 112.

I guess if Gardner can steal 20/30 more bases the Yanks are in the postseason next year.
lol


C'mon.....you're barking up the wrong tree.
If Gardner hit .265-.275 with an OBP of approx .350 you wouldn't be talking about him stealing only 21 bases.

Yes & if Gardner knew how to steal bases (reading the pitchers) he would have gotten into scoring position more often giving the team more chances to score MORE RUNS.

Again, does this REALLY need explaining?

 

[blgridesagain]

Yes & if Gardner knew how to steal bases (reading the pitchers) he would have gotten into scoring position more often giving the team more chances to score MORE RUNS.

Again, does this REALLY need explaining?

Okay, sounds good.
How does THIS sound:

Bernie Williams was a very fast base runner, he could never become a big time SB guy.
We didn't complain (at least I didn't) much at all because he HIT!
I would like to see Gardy steal more bases....and how many do you think he should get on a yearly basis? 40? 50? Okay fine and if this 2015 team "hits" and scores runs like they did last year, I doubt very much if they make the playoffs. My big problem with Gardner is he doesn't/can't get more bunt singles!

Let's play "Let's make a deal"....
You can have Gardner steal 20(?) more bases with a similar offense as last year....
....and I'll settle for a similar amount of SB 21(?) from Gardner with a Yankee lineup in the top 3rd in the league in scoring!

 

[Rick2583]

WTF does Bernie Williams have to do with this? Bernie was NEVER a stolen base guy. NEVER led the league in stolen bases, NEVER stole more then 17 bases in a season & only had a 62% success rate.

That's it I'm done.