Politics They Never Cared About Hillary's Emails

[dviss1]

And they made you conservatives go CRAZY over them...

Where are you now??

BETSY DEVOS IS THE *****EIGHTH***** TRUMP OFFICIAL TO USE PERSONAL EMAIL FOR OFFICIAL WHITE HOUSE BUSINESS

Education Secretary Betsy DeVos is the latest member of the Trump administration to get caught for using her personal email to conduct official business in what appears as yet another contradiction to Donald Trump’s incessant attacks on Hillary Clinton’s use of a private server when she was secretary of state.

The agency’s inspector general reported on May 16 that it found a “limited number of emails” from DeVos’ private accounts from January 2017 to April 2018. In total, less than 100 emails were sent or received to her personal accounts.

Education Department spokeswoman Liz Hill responded to the report on Twitter, minimizing it as “hardly news.”

“I get ‘DeVos + Personal Email’ gets clicks but receiving fewer than 100 emails and then forwarding them to senior staff to ensure they are captured on our government email server is hardly news,” she wrote.


But the report now brings the total number of Trump officials who have used personal communication tools during their time in the administration to eight: DeVos, Jared Kushner, Ivanka Trump, Stephen Miller, Gary Cohn, Steve Bannon, K.T. McFarland and Reince Priebus.

In March, the House Oversight Committee reported that it had evidence Trump’s daughter and son-in-law used personal email accounts and messaging applications like WhatsApp to conduct official White House business.

Clinton and Democratic Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez highlighted the irony of the situation shortly after it was revealed Kushner and Ivanka Trump had used private messaging services.

“But his Whatsapp,” Ocasio-Cortez tweeted, to which Clinton responded: “Tell me about it.”

The House Oversight Committee also discovered that McFarland, the former deputy national security adviser, and Bannon had used personal email accounts to conduct official business. According to a report by The Wall Street Journal, their private communications included a plan to send nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia.

In 2017, TheNew York Times reported that Priebus (the former chief of staff) and Cohn (a former economic adviser) occasionally used private email addresses. Senior policy adviser Stephen Miller, who is still a part of the administration, has also been reported sending or receiving emails on personal accounts.

 

[dviss1]

The thing is... You'll hammer the shit outta Clinton for things that Trump is doing now but you'll give him a pass...

Show me a conservative that voted for Trump and I'll show you a damn hypocrite...

 

[MARIS61]

Fake News.

Nothing at all here about President Trump using private email, or even if he uses email at all.

 

[Strenuus]

Man, what a public education could have taught her...

 

[Lanny]

And they made you conservatives go CRAZY over them...

Where are you now??

BETSY DEVOS IS THE *****EIGHTH***** TRUMP OFFICIAL TO USE PERSONAL EMAIL FOR OFFICIAL WHITE HOUSE BUSINESS

Education Secretary Betsy DeVos is the latest member of the Trump administration to get caught for using her personal email to conduct official business in what appears as yet another contradiction to Donald Trump’s incessant attacks on Hillary Clinton’s use of a private server when she was secretary of state.

The agency’s inspector general reported on May 16 that it found a “limited number of emails” from DeVos’ private accounts from January 2017 to April 2018. In total, less than 100 emails were sent or received to her personal accounts.

Education Department spokeswoman Liz Hill responded to the report on Twitter, minimizing it as “hardly news.”

“I get ‘DeVos + Personal Email’ gets clicks but receiving fewer than 100 emails and then forwarding them to senior staff to ensure they are captured on our government email server is hardly news,” she wrote.


But the report now brings the total number of Trump officials who have used personal communication tools during their time in the administration to eight: DeVos, Jared Kushner, Ivanka Trump, Stephen Miller, Gary Cohn, Steve Bannon, K.T. McFarland and Reince Priebus.

In March, the House Oversight Committee reported that it had evidence Trump’s daughter and son-in-law used personal email accounts and messaging applications like WhatsApp to conduct official White House business.

Clinton and Democratic Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez highlighted the irony of the situation shortly after it was revealed Kushner and Ivanka Trump had used private messaging services.

“But his Whatsapp,” Ocasio-Cortez tweeted, to which Clinton responded: “Tell me about it.”

The House Oversight Committee also discovered that McFarland, the former deputy national security adviser, and Bannon had used personal email accounts to conduct official business. According to a report by The Wall Street Journal, their private communications included a plan to send nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia.

In 2017, TheNew York Times reported that Priebus (the former chief of staff) and Cohn (a former economic adviser) occasionally used private email addresses. Senior policy adviser Stephen Miller, who is still a part of the administration, has also been reported sending or receiving emails on personal accounts.

They should be looking for Jared's e-mails.

 

[dviss1]

They should be looking for Jared's e-mails.

The MF conducts white house business on whatsapp...

What the actual fuck???

I know there are some older folk in here who don't know what that is....

 

[MARIS61]

The MF conducts white house business on whatsapp...

What the actual fuck???

I know there are some older folk in here who don't know what that is....

Most governments of developed countries, and nearly all large businesses, charities, state and local governments use WhatsApp which is a freeware cellphone app that provides ease in sharing of all kinds of media. It provides end-to-end encryption.

The issue here is that they sometimes used their personal cells rather than their government phones.

 

[MARIS61]

Strange that the article doesn't mention anything about Devos deleting 130,000 emails in contempt of a Federal Court order to preserve incriminating evidence, bleach-bit'ing all of her devices then smashing them with a hammer, then lying to the FBI, DOJ and Congress about it, then lying to all Americans about it...oh yeah, those were actual Federal Crimes that Hillary Clinton committed.

 

[MARIS61]

Since you brought it up...not really comparable.

Judicial Watch: Former Asst. Sec. of State for Diplomatic Security Testifies Under Oath that He Warned Hillary Clinton Twice About Unsecure BlackBerrys and Personal Emails
MAY 29, 2019

Judicial Watch https://www.judicialwatch.org/t/images/judicial_watch-logo_schema.jpg https://www.judicialwatch.org

(Washington, DC)– Judicial Watch today released the deposition transcript of Eric Boswell, the former Assistant Secretary of State for Diplomatic Security during Hillary Clinton’s tenure as Secretary of State, in which he reveals that Hillary Clinton was warned twice against using unsecure BlackBerrys and personal emails to transmit classified material. A full transcript of the deposition is available here.

Boswell, who was responsible for securing classified and national security information, stated that Clinton and her staff were “wedded to their BlackBerrys.” Additionally, he stated that he and other former State Department employees “were surprised” that Clinton used clintonemail.com to conduct official government business.

In his deposition, Ambassador Boswell stated:

• Hillary Clinton and other Senior State Department officials were warned in 2009 that “any unclassified Blackberry is highly vulnerable in any setting to remotely and covertly monitoring conversations, retrieving emails and exploiting calendars.”
• Clinton was warned again in 2011 that “We also urge Department users to minimize the use of personal web email for business, as some compromised home systems have been reconfigured by these actors to automatically forward copies of all composed emails to an undisclosed recipient.”
• Clinton assured him that she “gets it” when he informed her about dangers of Blackberries.
• Clinton and her staff were “wedded to their blackberries” and wanted to continue using them in secure areas even after warning because it was a “convenience issue” to them.
• He and other former State Department employees “were surprised” to learn that Clinton used clintonemail.com to conduct official government business. Boswell claimed that they were not aware of such activity while still employed by the government.

Boswell was deposed as part of the discovery granted to Judicial Watch by U.S. District Court Judge Royce C. Lamberth in response to its Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit involving former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s unsecured, non-government email system (Judicial Watch v. U.S. Department of State (No. 1:14-cv-01242)).

Judicial Watch was granted both depositions and written questions under oath of former Clinton aides, State Department officials, and others:

• Justin Cooper, a former aide to Bill Clinton who reportedly had no security clearance and is believed to have played a key role in setting up Hillary Clinton’s non-government email system;
• John Hackett, a State Department records official “immediately responsible for responding to requests for records under the Freedom of Information Act;”
• Jacob “Jake” Sullivan, Hillary Clinton’s former senior advisor and deputy chief of staff;
• Sheryl Walter, former State Department Director of the Office of Information Programs and Services/Global Information Services;
• Gene Smilansky, a State Department lawyer;
• Monica Tillery, a State Department official;
• Jonathon Wasser, who was a management analyst on the Executive Secretariat staff. Wasser worked for Deputy Director Clarence Finney and was the State Department employee who actually conducted the searches for records in response to FOIA requests to the Office of the Secretary
• Clarence Finney, the deputy director of the Executive Secretariat staff who was the principal advisor and records management expert in the Office of the Secretary responsible for control of all correspondence and records for Hillary Clinton and other State Department officials;
• Heather Samuelson, the former State Department senior advisor who helped facilitate the State Department’s receipt and release of Hillary Clinton’s emails;
• Monica Hanley, Hillary Clinton’s former confidential assistant at the State Department;
• Lauren Jiloty, Clinton’s former special assistant;
• E.W. Priestap, is serving as assistant director of the FBI’s counterintelligence division and helped oversee both the Clinton email and the 2016 presidential campaign investigations. Priestap testified in a separate lawsuit that Clinton was the subject of a grand jury investigation related to her BlackBerry email accounts;
• Susan Rice, President Obama’s former UN ambassador who appeared on Sunday television news shows following the Benghazi attacks, blaming a “hateful video.” Rice was also Obama’s national security advisor involved in the “unmasking” the identities of senior Trump officials caught up in the surveillance of foreign targets;
• Ben Rhodes, an Obama-era White House deputy strategic communications adviser who attempted to orchestrate a campaign to “reinforce” Obama and to portray the Benghazi consulate terrorist attack as being “rooted in an Internet video, and not a failure of policy;”
• Heather Samuelson, the former State Department senior advisor who helped facilitate the State Department’s receipt and release of Hillary Clinton’s emails;
• and one other person to be designated by the State Department.

Judge Royce Lamberth ordered that the Boswell video be sealed.

“Thanks to our court-ordered discovery, we now have confirmation that Hillary Clinton was warned by the top security official in the State Department that unsecure Blackberry and email use was a security risk, yet Hillary Clinton ignored these warnings,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.

In June 2017, Judicial Watch submitted evidence to Judge Sullivan showing that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton knowingly used an unsecure BlackBerry device despite being warned by “security hawks” against doing so.

In a related case, in 2016, Judicial Watch took depositions from Cheryl Mills, Huma Abedin, Patrick Kennedy, Stephen Mull, Karin Lang and Bryan Pagliano in connection to Secretary Clinton’s private email system.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

The thing is... You'll hammer the shit outta Clinton for things that Trump is doing now but you'll give him a pass...

Show me a conservative that voted for Trump and I'll show you a damn hypocrite...

Kinda seems like a bit of a jump... A conservative who voted for Trump, could, in fact, have cared about Clinton's emails, and also could care/ upset about what Trump has done and is doing too. I actually know of a few...

 

[dviss1]

Kinda seems like a bit of a jump... A conservative who voted for Trump, could, in fact, have cared about Clinton's emails, and also could care/ upset about what Trump has done and is doing too. I actually know of a few...

You may. But the ones in power?

Silent like church mice. This is the bigger point.

Are the ones you know actively complaining about how terrible and hypocritical it is?

Are they asking for him to face consequences for it?

That answer is probably no...

 

[dviss1]

Most governments of developed countries, and nearly all large businesses, charities, state and local governments use WhatsApp which is a freeware cellphone app that provides ease in sharing of all kinds of media. It provides end-to-end encryption.

The issue here is that they sometimes used their personal cells rather than their government phones.

You are demonstrably wrong here.. But you are 90% of the time so nothing's new. And don't talk to me like I don't know what what'sapp is. It's on my damn phone...

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

You may. But the ones in power?

Silent like church mice. This is the bigger point.

Are the ones you know actively complaining about how terrible and hypocritical it is?

Are they asking for him to face consequences for it?

That answer is probably no...

Oh, I certainly agree that the top of the Right is full of hypocrites.

And yeah I've heard plenty of conservatives / Trump voters say he should face consequences for what he's done, and say they won't vote for him again.
Most of the adults I know don't really sit around and complain though, so while I've heard comments most have just said if the Democrats or independents put up someone who isn't too extremely against their views they would vote differently.

I get what you're saying, I understand. Just don't like the Blanket comment of, "Show me a conservative that voted for Trump and I'll show you a hypocrite." I feel the same about it as when I conservatives say, oh "Bernie people are all communists" and that sort of stuff...

 

[dviss1]

Oh, I certainly agree that the top of the Right is full of hypocrites.

And yeah I've heard plenty of conservatives / Trump voters say he should face consequences for what he's done, and say they won't vote for him again.
Most of the adults I know don't really sit around and complain though, so while I've heard comments most have just said if the Democrats or independents put up someone who isn't too extremely against their views they would vote differently.

I get what you're saying, I understand. Just don't like the Blanket comment of, "Show me a conservative that voted for Trump and I'll show you a hypocrite." I feel the same about it as when I conservatives say, oh "Bernie people are all communists" and that sort of stuff...

As of May 1st-12th Trump has a 90% approval rating with Republicans. 90 fucking percent....

So, I'm supposed to not say what I said for 10% of Republicans?

I'll stand by my blanket statement.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

As of May 1st-12th Trump has a 90% approval rating with Republicans. 90 fucking percent....

So, I'm supposed to not say what I said for 10% of Republicans?

I'll stand by my blanket statement.

I'll stand by that I don't like it. Those polls haven't seemed to mean much recently.

You're supposed to not generalize, and blanket insult and stereotype, and feed into us vs them because that's proven to be quite a problem for America, not because there isn't some truth in it, yes a lot of Republicans are Hypocrites, doesn't mean they all are.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

As of May 1st-12th Trump has a 90% approval rating with Republicans. 90 fucking percent....

So, I'm supposed to not say what I said for 10% of Republicans?

I'll stand by my blanket statement.

For the record, I mean absolutely no disrespect. You’re free to your opinions on it, and I understand what you’re saying.
If it has come across as me showing you a lack of respect I apologize right now for that.

 

[e_blazer]

The thing is... You'll hammer the shit outta Clinton for things that Trump is doing now but you'll give him a pass...

Show me a conservative that voted for Trump and I'll show you a damn hypocrite...

I know I'm going to regret posting here because the OT board is so crazy, but I'm like a moth to the flame and sometimes I just can't help myself.

I'm pretty conservative (not exactly a news flash around here), but I couldn't stand Trump from the moment he announced he was running. I threw my vote away on Gary Johnson just as a protest against the crap both parties were offering up. I'll probably vote Independent again, or maybe Democrat if they don't go with one of the left wing zealots, but I'll never under any circumstances vote for Trump.

Regarding the email issue, though, the use of private email, while certainly a no-no, wasn't the main issue with Hillary's emailgate problem. Lots of government officials have used and continue to use private accounts for some of their correspondence. It's against policy and it should be monitored and shut down, but that's not the big issue for Hillary. It was that she ran her own server, completely removed from the government's security and Freedom of Information documentation requirements. Classified documents were found on the server yet the level of security was reported not to be as good as even what a basic gmail account would provide. Beyond that, she had the server under her control on her own private property so that she, and she alone, could control what information might become public with a records request. That's the part that should give even her backers pause. Hillary operated as if the rules applicable to our government officials didn't apply to her.

 

[dviss1]

Those polls haven't seemed to mean much recently.

Those polls explain that they don't care about the fact that the president's staff is using personal email servers.

This is the thread.

I don't know what you're talking about when you say you have Republican friends who say they won't vote for trump again.

I'm SPECIFICALLY talking about their usage of personal email servers and Whatsapp.

So if 90% of them still support him after all of his bullshit, what percentage of them really don't care about the personal servers?

I'd wager to say the number is higher than 90%.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Those polls explain that they don't care about the fact that the president's staff is using personal email servers.

This is the thread.

I don't know what you're talking about when you say you have Republican friends who say they won't vote for trump again.

I'm SPECIFICALLY talking about their usage of personal email servers and Whatsapp.

So if 90% of them still support him after all of his bullshit, what percentage of them really don't care about the personal servers?

I'd wager to say the number is higher than 90%.

The only poll that will really matter is the election next year, thats when we’ll find out how many actually support him.

 

[dviss1]

Regarding the email issue, though, the use of private email, while certainly a no-no, wasn't the main issue with Hillary's emailgate problem. Lots of government officials have used and continue to use private accounts for some of their correspondence. It's against policy and it should be monitored and shut down, but that's not the big issue for Hillary. It was that she ran her own server, completely removed from the government's security and Freedom of Information documentation requirements. Classified documents were found on the server yet the level of security was reported not to be as good as even what a basic gmail account would provide. Beyond that, she had the server under her control on her own private property so that she, and she alone, could control what information might become public with a records request. That's the part that should give even her backers pause. Hillary operated as if the rules applicable to our government officials didn't apply to her.

Ivanka and everyone else used PERSONAL email accounts. What servers are those on?? Not government ones.

I'd honestly rather have a government official use a personal server than fucking Yahoo's (or whoever's) server....

 

[dviss1]

The only poll that will really matter is the election next year, thats when we’ll find out how many actually support him.

We're talking about a specific subject.

Usage of personal email accounts and servers.

My statement rings true. With a 90% approval rating from Republicans, they as a whole, truly don't care that his staff conducts WH biz over Whatsapp.

You heard Maris....

 

[e_blazer]

Ivanka and everyone else used PERSONAL email accounts. What servers are those on?? Not government ones.

I'd honestly rather have a government official use a personal server than fucking Yahoo's (or whoever's) server....

I'd rather that they all use government accounts like they're supposed to for both security and public records reasons. I never let my kids off with using their sibling's bad behavior as an excuse for their own. That said, I'm pretty surprised that Hillary's clear intention to maintain absolute control over access to her communications while Secretary of State doesn't give you a bit of pause, dviss1.

 

[barfo]

Lots of government officials have used and continue to use private accounts for some of their correspondence. It's against policy and it should be monitored and shut down, but that's not the big issue for Hillary. It was that she ran her own server, completely removed from the government's security and Freedom of Information documentation requirements.

So is every other private server.

Classified documents were found on the server yet the level of security was reported not to be as good as even what a basic gmail account would provide.

Maybe, although apparently it wasn't successfully hacked, so maybe it wasn't so bad.

Beyond that, she had the server under her control on her own private property so that she, and she alone, could control what information might become public with a records request. That's the part that should give even her backers pause. Hillary operated as if the rules applicable to our government officials didn't apply to her.

On the other hand, emails always have both a sender and a receiver, so all those emails (except maybe the ones she sent to Bill) exist or existed on other servers that aren't under her control.

No question but what she absolutely shouldn't have done it, but I'm not sure it's a worse problem than Trump using an unsecured cell phone.

barfo

 

[e_blazer]

So is every other private server.

True, but at least it's a third party who controls the servers and that party has no reason to delete data for political or legal convenience.

Maybe, although apparently it wasn't successfully hacked, so maybe it wasn't so bad.

Not sure we'll ever know the truth of that matter.

On the other hand, emails always have both a sender and a receiver, so all those emails (except maybe the ones she sent to Bill) exist or existed on other servers that aren't under her control.

Well sure, but there's no log of what official correspondence was sent and received, which is a FOI problem. Additionally, good luck getting someone like a Saudi sheik to cooperate in providing you a copy of that email where he offered $500K to the Clinton Foundation in exchange for access to the Secretary of State.

No question but what she absolutely shouldn't have done it, but I'm not sure it's a worse problem than Trump using an unsecured cell phone.

Guess I'm just weird, but I still haven't gotten to the point where I use the jackass-in-chief as a barometer of who's behavior is more unethical, insecure, or illegal. All I've got to say is that it must be a great time to be a foreign government spying on US officials.

 

[barfo]

All I've got to say is that it must be a great time to be a foreign government spying on US officials.

We agree.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

I have forgotten now. Was it Wikileak or Russians that wrote the Hillary emails that sunk her ass?

 

[Stevenson]

I have forgotten now. Was it Wikileak or Russians that wrote the Hillary emails that sunk her ass?

It was Comey - announcing she was under investigation, but failing to say that Trump was too.

 

[MarAzul]

It was Comey - announcing she was under investigation, but failing to say that Trump was too.

I don't think Comey wrote any of them either. But he did fail to tell anyone why Trump was being wire tapped.

 

[Lanny]

You are demonstrably wrong here.. But you are 90% of the time so nothing's new. And don't talk to me like I don't know what what'sapp is. It's on my damn phone...

Only 90%?