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MarAzul

MarAzul

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We are divided between leaders and followers.
However, some want to be leaders are actually followers professing to be advocates for disgruntled followers while masquerading as leaders.

A damn hard row to hoe! You need clever things to say like, Impeach 45!
 
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Look at the hate we're breeding
Look at the fear we're feeding
Look at the lives we're leading
The way we've always done before

Look in the doubt we've wallowed
Look at the leaders we've followed
Look at the lies we've swallowed
And I don't want to hear no more
 
MarAzul said:
We are divided between leaders and followers.
However, some want to be leaders are actually followers professing to be advocates for disgruntled followers while masquerading as leaders.

A damn hard row to hoe! You need clever things to say like, Impeach 45!
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No kidding..

 
Something I have yet to hear anyone else ask, is instead of "when" the aid to Ukraine was finally implemented, the better question is "why" it was finally implemented?

The point is, IF Trump, as he asserts, was actually withholding the aid to Ukraine pending a "corruption investigation", when did he receive confirmation that the "investigation" was completed and no corruption was found, and where is the documentation? This all supposedly happened in a 2-3 day period after the "whistleblower" announcement.


...but yeah, Trump is being framed.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Something I have yet to hear anyone else ask, is instead of "when" the aid to Ukraine was finally implemented, the better question is "why" it was finally implemented?

The point is, IF Trump, as he asserts, was actually withholding the aid to Ukraine pending a "corruption investigation", when did he receive confirmation that the "investigation" was completed and no corruption was found, and where is the documentation? This all supposedly happened in a 2-3 day period after the "whistleblower" announcement.


...but yeah, Trump is being framed.
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Cause he got caught. Trump was witholding the aide, it came out that he was witholding it, which forced his hand. If he continued witholding it, it would have gone as further proof of quid pro quo. He then ok'd the aid so he could say hey look I gave it to them. They gave me nothing in return and claim no quid pro quo.
 
Chris Craig said:
Cause he got caught. Trump was witholding the aide, it came out that he was witholding it, which forced his hand. If he continued witholding it, it would have gone as further proof of quid pro quo. He then ok'd the aid so he could say hey look I gave it to them. They gave me nothing in return and claim no quid pro quo.
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Oh, believe me, I understand all that, but I have yet to hear anyone really press the GOP panelists on this point, and I don't understand why. If you watched much of the hearings, it seems to me that this is a point that should be driven home over and over to Trump and the GOP and force them into a corner and force them to explain it.
If they truly want to impeach AND remove Trump, they need to grab the bull by the horns AND by the balls.
 
yankeesince59 said:
If they truly want to impeach AND remove Trump, they need to grab the bull by the horns AND by the balls.
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Leave it to the democratic leadership to figure it out.
 
ABM said:
Leave it to the democratic leadership to figure it out.
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lol...well, the GOP certainly does not have things figured out, because they are consumed with only one thing in mind, ...shamelessly fellating their fuhrer.
 
yankeesince59 said:
lol...well, the GOP certainly does not have things figured out, because they are consumed with only one thing in mind, ...shamelessly fellating their fuhrer.
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They already have written proof that he obstructed the house investigation with his email telling people in his administration to refuse to testify and not turn over any documentation. The republicans will still ignore it and acquit him. If this was truly a jury he would be found guilty.
 
CupWizier said:
They already have written proof that he obstructed the house investigation with his email telling people in his administration to refuse to testify and not turn over any documentation. The republicans will still ignore it and acquit him. If this was truly a jury he would be found guilty.
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Yup, and if it were a normal trial the subpoenas would be enforced.
 
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