This is why I hate the NBA

[Natebishop3]

I think after Tim Donneghy, which as an ex-Sacramentan killed my spirt, the league has endeavored to have the reffing as fair as possible. Replay, reports, etc. It's a tough job done by fallible humans.

But how can you look at those stats and not think that something is afoul?

 

[barfo]

The NBA is virtually unwatchable. I only watch Portland

How do you avoid seeing the players on the opposing team?

barfo

 

[HailBlazers]

What do we want?

Consistency

When do we want it?

Now.

 

[Chris Craig]

How do you avoid seeing the players on the opposing team?

barfo

Very carefully

 

[Chris Craig]

When do we want it?

Now.

 

[BBert]

I'm going to piggyback on the stats I quoted on the first page of this thread...

FT Rate (FTA/FGA):

Regular Season: OKC 26.6%....Port 25.8%

Game 1: OKC 24.7%....Port 31.4% (Blazer number inflated by intentional fouls at game close)

Game 2: OKC 32.6%....Port 23.3%

Game 1: OKC 50.6%....Port 28.9%

ok....OKC, during the season, was slightly better are getting to the FT line and the Blazers are missing Nurkic so you'd expect a bit of a differential. And 5 of the 6 game numbers fit within what you'd expect from the season norms. But there is one outlier and the gap between the outlier and the norms is more than remarkable.

Of the two teams, OKC was far more aggressive on defense in game 3. They were fouling all over the court. I don't expect the refs to call every single foul. However, I am not able to come up with a legitimate reason or excuse for that discrepancy.

 

[BBert]

But how can you look at those stats and not think that something is afoul?

Haha

 

[BBert]

I think after Tim Donneghy, which as an ex-Sacramentan killed my spirt, the league has endeavored to have the reffing as fair as possible. Replay, reports, etc. It's a tough job done by fallible humans.

I think they've endeavored to not be so blatant about it, and they've worked hard to give the 'appearance' of fairness.

Or perhaps after a lifetime of watching the NBA, I've simply become cynical, jaded, and nihilistic

 

[Chris Craig]

I think after Tim Donneghy, which as an ex-Sacramentan killed my spirt, the league has endeavored to have the reffing as fair as possible. Replay, reports, etc. It's a tough job done by fallible humans.

Donaghy said the NBA is corrupt. They fix games. That there are many more refs who are dirty. He was not nearly the only one.

 

[Strenuus]

What do we want?

Consistency

When do we want it?

ALL THE FUCKING TIME YOU COCKNOZZLES!

 

[Cugel]

I agree its a very very tough job. Humans are both fallible and corruptible

 

[THE HCP]

Humans are both fallible and corruptible

You rang FAMS!?!

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Fun facts:
Mo tosses his headband into the crowd: $15,000 fine, or .14% of his annual salary
DeRozen throws ball at official in frustration: $25,000 fine, or .082% of his annual salary

More DeRozen's fine on front page of ESPN. Mo's fine not even on the team page.

 

[dviss1]

I love the Blazers. I hate the league. And here is why:

Game 1:

Blazers 27 FTA
Thunder 23 FTA

Blazers win

Game 2:

Thunder 28 FTA
Blazers 21 FTA

Blazers win

Game 3:

Thunder 39 FTA
Blazers 24 FTA

Thunder score 13 extra points from the line, and they win by 12 points. It's impossible for me to take a league seriously that goes out of their way to influence a game. Paul George shot 17 FTA. Was he really any more aggressive than Dame?

Will OKC have to shoot 20 more FTA to get game 4?

Stop looking at foul counts and thinking that tells the whole story.

I hate it when a coach looks to me to explain the foul count.
They should look inward to their style of play.

Foul disparities happen quite often.

If one team is more aggressive going to the bucket and the other isn't, a foul disparity can happen.

That isn't the only reason.

Referees (at least this one) don't use the scoreboard/foul count to make their calls.

Foul disparities happen all the time.

It's the reason my 6th graders won the championship. My whole game plan was to get their 6'3 big man in foul trouble.

 

[blue9]

Stop looking at foul counts and thinking that tells the whole story.

I hate it when a coach looks to me to explain the foul count.
They should look inward to their style of play.

Foul disparities happen quite often.

If one team is more aggressive going to the bucket and the other isn't, a foul disparity can happen.

That isn't the only reason.

Referees (at least this one) don't use the scoreboard/foul count to make their calls.

Foul disparities happen all the time.

It's the reason my 6th graders won the championship. My whole game plan was to get their 6'3 big man in foul trouble.

That's all fine and dandy, and I totally agree with you. But please tell me you aren't saying this in response to what happened in G3. Truly curious about your thoughts on the G3 officiating.

 

[Natebishop3]

Stop looking at foul counts and thinking that tells the whole story.

I hate it when a coach looks to me to explain the foul count.
They should look inward to their style of play.

Foul disparities happen quite often.

If one team is more aggressive going to the bucket and the other isn't, a foul disparity can happen.

That isn't the only reason.

Referees (at least this one) don't use the scoreboard/foul count to make their calls.

Foul disparities happen all the time.

It's the reason my 6th graders won the championship. My whole game plan was to get their 6'3 big man in foul trouble.

The problem is her you’re looking at this from the standpoint of a non profit organization. The NBA is a business, and they referee their games accordingly. They give star treatment. They show favoritism for one team over another. They clearly try to prolong a series.

The thunder didn’t do anything different than the blazers in that game. The refs just were letting them play more physical defense and they were calling touch fouls on the blazers. Now that’s either bad refereeing or it’s coming from the top.

 

[dviss1]

The problem is her you’re looking at this from the standpoint of a non profit organization. The NBA is a business, and they referee their games accordingly. They give star treatment. They show favoritism for one team over another. They clearly try to prolong a series.

The thunder didn’t do anything different than the blazers in that game. The refs just were letting them play more physical defense and they were calling touch fouls on the blazers. Now that’s either bad refereeing or it’s coming from the top.

Yeah, I disagree completely.

If that's the case why didn't it happen last game?

Doesn't the NBA stand to gain by having our series go longer?

Your stance isn't really holding up.

 

[dviss1]

That's all fine and dandy, and I totally agree with you. But please tell me you aren't saying this in response to what happened in G3. Truly curious about your thoughts on the G3 officiating.

I thought the officials missed calls in that game.

I don't think it was planned. The notion that the NBA rigs games IMHO is silly fanatical shit. But hey that's what fan is short for.

Why do I hate the Thunder with every fiber of my being?

I'm a fanatic.

 

[blue9]

I thought the officials missed calls in that game.

I don't think it was planned. The notion that the NBA rigs games IMHO is silly fanatical shit. But hey that's what fan is short for.

Why do I hate the Thunder with every fiber of my being?

I'm a fanatic.

I'm not asking about "the fix being in", but rather the quality of the calls that were made (or not made). You saying that they missed calls makes it sound like the calls they did make were correct AND there should have been more fouls.

I'm surprised by this, if that is an accurate reflection of your thoughts. If by "missed calls", you're saying they called them on one end and not the other, then I can agree with that (as evidenced by the disparity). But even then I think it was a poorly called game and there should have been fewer fouls called.

 

[Natebishop3]

Yeah, I disagree completely.

If that's the case why didn't it happen last game?

Doesn't the NBA stand to gain by having our series go longer?

Your stance isn't really holding up.

So you don't think that star players get more calls than non-star players?

 

[dviss1]

So you don't think that star players get more calls than non-star players?

Sure. But it's not because the fix is in.

 

[Labinot41]

Paul George has been shamelessly flopping all series long. Before the series i liked him, but you can see how a Person changes when he spent to much time with toxic Russell Bitchbrook.

 

[Natebishop3]

Sure. But it's not because the fix is in.

So in your opinion, why do refs favor star players over non-star players?

 

[dviss1]

So in your opinion, why do refs favor star players over non-star players?

The reason why Leon Wood missed the call on the baseline for Tyson Chandler slapping Joel Przybilla's broken hand, is because he was leaning into the paint, staring at Brandon Roy at the top of the key...

NBA Referees are ball-watchers. And LOTS of times they are out of position when their call is made.

This is a recipe for disaster.

So, lazy, ball-watching, anticipating, quick whistling, out of position referees that aren't allowed to call traveling, is the situation we have.

But I don't believe they don't get favoritism. Trust me, these whiny ass "stars" that yell "aayyyyy!!!" when they're barely fucking touched, are annoying as shit to us. Most stars do that shit. Even Dame and CJ.

There are few things that are worse than a whiny ass grown man.

This is a recipe for an environment that encourages flopping.

Even Dame has admitted to it now...

I frankly believe they need more freedom with technical fouls but the shit needs an overhaul... I wouldn't make it as an NBA ref. I'd be calling traveling on Giannis, LeBron, Harden... All them MFs.. But you can't of they're gonna dunk. The game has lost it's purity...

The college game is refereed properly and even they make mistakes... That referee should've called double dribble on Virginia and they would not be champions...

He (in referee speak) kicked the shit outta that call.

"You must have the Intestinal fortitude to make the right call at the right time."

-- Howard Mayo

The NBA has lost intestinal fortitude...

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

The reason why Leon Wood missed the call on the baseline for Tyson Chandler slapping Joel Przybilla's broken hand, is because he was leaning into the paint, staring at Brandon Roy at the top of the key...

NBA Referees are ball-watchers. And LOTS of times they are out of position when their call is made.

This is a recipe for disaster.

So, lazy, ball-watching, anticipating, quick whistling, out of position referees that aren't allowed to call traveling, is the situation we have.

But I don't believe they don't get favoritism. Trust me, these whiny ass "stars" that yell "aayyyyy!!!" when they're barely fucking touched, are annoying as shit to us. Most stars do that shit. Even Dame and CJ.

There are few things that are worse than a whiny ass grown man.

This is a recipe for an environment that encourages flopping.

Even Dame has admitted to it now...

I frankly believe they need more freedom with technical fouls but the shit needs an overhaul... I wouldn't make it as an NBA ref. I'd be calling traveling on Giannis, LeBron, Harden... All them MFs.. But you can't of they're gonna dunk. The game has lost it's purity...

The college game is refereed properly and even they make mistakes... That referee should've called double dribble on Virginia and they would not be champions...

He (in referee speak) kicked the shit outta that call.

"You must have the Intestinal fortitude to make the right call at the right time."

-- Howard Mayo

The NBA has lost intestinal fortitude...

The NBA is entertainment first, basketball 2nd in my opinion.

 

[Natebishop3]

 

[Natebishop3]

 

[LuckyShot]

LOL I missed that one, I was out getting food. They called Dame for a foul because he got his face in the way of Murray's elbow, or what?

 

[Cugel]

Yes, Dame nosed his elbow. Clear foul on Dame.

 

[blue9]

It was very LAL vs SAC. The first 5 minutes of the second half were a fucking joke.