This is why the police shouldn't be able to just come into your home...

[Natebishop3]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/25/jose-guerena-arizona-_n_867020.html?ncid=webmail

As the SWAT team forced its way into his home, Guerena, a former Marine who served two tours of duty in Iraq, armed himself with his AR-15 rifle and told his wife and son to hide in a closet. As the officers entered, Guerena confronted them from the far end of a long, dark hallway. The police opened fire, releasing more than 70 rounds in about 7 seconds, at least 60 of which struck Guerena. He was pronounced dead a little over an hour later.

Apparently he never fired his weapon, the gun was on safety, and the Police won't present the warrant to the public. 70 rounds is a HUGE overshoot, and apparently some of the neighbors reported stray bullets hit their homes. The guy never did anything wrong, he was a veteran of two tours over in Iraq, and he was merely trying to defend his family from what he perceived to be a threat. The cops are lying about the circumstances of this raid, and we can't allow this kind of thing to continue. The police can NOT enter your home without just cause.

They shot him 60 times and they left him to bleed to death for an hour before they would let paramedics look at him. Fuck the police.

 

[RR7]

It's a shitty thing that happened for sure, but isn't really relevant, IMO, to the discussion of cops entering your home with no reason. They had a reason(incorrectly) and supposedly had a warrant. I don't want to make it sound like I side with the cops in this situation here. Just saying I don't see the relevance, if this is in reference to a previous thread about Indiana cops not needing a warrant or whatever.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

he should have killed all of those pigs

 

[Natebishop3]

It's a shitty thing that happened for sure, but isn't really relevant, IMO, to the discussion of cops entering your home with no reason. They had a reason(incorrectly) and supposedly had a warrant. I don't want to make it sound like I side with the cops in this situation here. Just saying I don't see the relevance, if this is in reference to a previous thread about Indiana cops not needing a warrant or whatever.

The relevance is that these guys supposedly had a warrant and they fucked up in a major way. Imagine how much worse it would be if Police could just enter your home without anything more than a hunch. This was supposedly with investigation and surveillance, but people trust the police to go off their gut?

 

[RR7]

Sorry, i see what you're saying now.

 

[MARIS61]

Clear case of conspiracy to commit murder, murder, torture, denial of medical treatment...

That's why you can't hesitate when strangers come through your door. It's kill or be killed.

 

[barfo]

That's why I shot the Jehovah's Witnesses on my front porch today. I couldn't be sure if they were going to open up on me, and better safe than sorry.


barfo

 

[PapaG]

It's a shitty thing that happened for sure, but isn't really relevant, IMO, to the discussion of cops entering your home with no reason. They had a reason(incorrectly) and supposedly had a warrant. I don't want to make it sound like I side with the cops in this situation here. Just saying I don't see the relevance, if this is in reference to a previous thread about Indiana cops not needing a warrant or whatever.

Well, a guy is dead. I'm sure that is relevant to his family. Imagine the police being able to enter your home without a warrant, and what could happen.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

The cops are lying about the circumstances of this raid... Fuck the police.

It's a good thing for all of us you are so completely familiar with what really happened. To the point you were clearly there.

Frankly, I won't be surprised to hear someday you ambushed and murdered some poor police officer.

You are one whacked out dude. I don't know what medications you may take, but if I were you I'd meet with my doctor and get the meds straightened out, or get on some that will help.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

If the police did indeed illegally enter this person's house and shoot him, then they will need to be punished accordingly. Let true justice prevail- both criminally and civilly.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

If the police did indeed illegally enter this person's house and shoot him, then they will need to be punished accordingly. Let true justice prevail- both criminally and civilly.

what does this mean? so if the guy just unloaded his gun and killed all of the cops, would you have the same attitude?

"if the gunman is found guilty, then he will need to be punished accordingly...let true justice prevail!" lol

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

what does this mean? so if the guy just unloaded his gun and killed all of the cops, would you have the same attitude?

"if the gunman is found guilty, then he will need to be punished accordingly...let true justice prevail!" lol

Sure I'd say the same thing.

Right now all we have is speculation and spin. When the investigation into this is concluded, let the chips fall where they may- for both sides.

If the guy really was certain he had no idea who was entering his house, and the police gave no verbal warnings at all, then it seems to me he'd have every right to fire a weapon to defend his family.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

well, thats incredibly bland

if someone is found guilty, they should be punished accordingly. got it.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

well, thats incredibly bland

if someone is found guilty, they should be punished accordingly. got it.

That's what I said.

Adjust your meds.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

your posts taste like cardboard.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

and yes, everybody adjust your meds, so that we may understand the deep musings of the BP

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

and yes, everybody adjust your meds, so that we may understand the deep musings of the BP

I "muse"?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

no, you lose

 

[3RA1N1AC]

people should just rig their doors as booby traps to kill any pig that sneaks in

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

no, you lose

fail

c'mon, try harder

I have faith in you!

(ok, that's a joke)

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

people should just rig their doors as booby traps to kill any pig that sneaks in

Yep, that'll do it. I think you have the makings of a great start up business!

 

[3RA1N1AC]

ooh maybe custom installed trap doors! or dogs with bees in their mouths so when they bark they shoot bees at you!

 

[Natebishop3]

It's a good thing for all of us you are so completely familiar with what really happened. To the point you were clearly there.

Frankly, I won't be surprised to hear someday you ambushed and murdered some poor police officer.

You are one whacked out dude. I don't know what medications you may take, but if I were you I'd meet with my doctor and get the meds straightened out, or get on some that will help.

Did you even read the whole article before posting this? It's not like I'm just throwing my comments out there... there's actual evidence that they are lying about what happened that night, and they're trying to cover it up.... but hey, good on ya.

You drew that I'm going to kill someone and that I'm mentally ill because I said that they are lying and "fuck the police"? Wow...... nice job.

In point of fact, I have friends who are cops and I've trained with police, but I still think the job as a whole is full of assholes and power hungry control freaks. Some departments are better than others, and I happen to think that Portland has pretty decent cops, but you can't help but draw some conclusions after seeing so many videos or reading so many stories of police abusing their power.

 

[Denny Crane]

That's why I shot the Jehovah's Witnesses on my front porch today. I couldn't be sure if they were going to open up on me, and better safe than sorry.


barfo

You really should wear pants under that rain coat.

 

[barfo]

You really should wear pants under that rain coat.

Pants-free since '73!

barfo

 

[Natebishop3]

The really disturbing part is the amount of munitions that was expelled in that raid. 70 rounds were fired at the victim (60 actually hitting their target)... Let me explain why that's significant.

Most SWAT/TNT/SRT teams use either an Mp5 or M4 platform for their primary weapon. An mp5 or M4 generally has about 30 rounds in the magazine (unless they're carrying a box mag which I highly doubt).

The article states that the victim was at the end of a long hallway, which means the tactical team was either at the other end of the hallway OR they were coming down the hallway, but regardless there were at most two maybe three guys with their guns on him. That means that they emptied at least two mags into him, and either reloaded or a third shooter also fired rounds. That is such a drastic overshoot in an unsafe environment. Officers are not supposed to shoot if they don't know what's behind the target. They could have killed the little boy or hit a neighbor. This is a case of gross negligence on the part of the tac team and they should be punished.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

The really disturbing part is the amount of munitions that was expelled in that raid. 70 rounds were fired at the victim (60 actually hitting their target)... Let me explain why that's significant.

Most SWAT/TNT/SRT teams use either an Mp5 or M4 platform for their primary weapon. An mp5 or M4 generally has about 30 rounds in the magazine (unless they're carrying a box mag which I highly doubt).

The article states that the victim was at the end of a long hallway, which means the tactical team was either at the other end of the hallway OR they were coming down the hallway, but regardless there were at most two maybe three guys with their guns on him. That means that they emptied at least two mags into him, and either reloaded or a third shooter also fired rounds. That is such a drastic overshoot in an unsafe environment. Officers are not supposed to shoot if they don't know what's behind the target. They could have killed the little boy or hit a neighbor. This is a case of gross negligence on the part of the tac team and they should be punished.

One possible reason is that once police start shooting it's hard to stop. I'm not trying to be funny, but I was talking to a swat member one time and he was telling me that their weapons are very rapid fire as once they start shooting the idea is to kill before they get killed. If a few officers are shooting, it might have only taken 5 seconds or so to get off 70 rounds.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Did you even read the whole article before posting this? It's not like I'm just throwing my comments out there... there's actual evidence that they are lying about what happened that night, and they're trying to cover it up.... but hey, good on ya.

You drew that I'm going to kill someone and that I'm mentally ill because I said that they are lying and "fuck the police"? Wow...... nice job.

In point of fact, I have friends who are cops and I've trained with police, but I still think the job as a whole is full of assholes and power hungry control freaks. Some departments are better than others, and I happen to think that Portland has pretty decent cops, but you can't help but draw some conclusions after seeing so many videos or reading so many stories of police abusing their power.

I skimmed the article. But I was speaking in more broader terms.

 

[Natebishop3]

One possible reason is that once police start shooting it's hard to stop. I'm not trying to be funny, but I was talking to a swat member one time and he was telling me that their weapons are very rapid fire as once they start shooting the idea is to kill before they get killed. If a few officers are shooting, it might have only taken 5 seconds or so to get off 70 rounds.

And that's a bullshit answer. They aren't trained to just lay on the trigger. They are trained to have controlled bursts.

And what's the excuse for letting the guy bleed to death for an hour before medics could see him? How are you going to defend that one?

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

And that's a bullshit answer. They aren't trained to just lay on the trigger. They are trained to have controlled bursts.

And what's the excuse for letting the guy bleed to death for an hour before medics could see him? How are you going to defend that one?

You need to settle down a bit, here, nate. Seriously, take it easy and rest a bit.

I made it clear I wasn't defending anything.

I know you have some sort of woody for me on this thread, but enough is enough.