This is why the police shouldn't be able to just come into your home...

[Natebishop3]

You need to settle down a bit, here, nate. Seriously, take it easy and rest a bit.

I made it clear I wasn't defending anything.

I know you have some sort of woody for me on this thread, but enough is enough.

A woody? You called me a mental patient you asshole. You said you wouldn't be surprised if I murdered someone some day. You can't slap someone in the face and expect them to say... that's cool. You overstepped a line and made things personal, which was completely uncalled for, and now you're making it out to be me who is overreacting?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

yeah nate, give it up jeez, cops are awesome

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

A woody? You called me a mental patient you asshole. You said you wouldn't be surprised if I murdered someone some day. You can't slap someone in the face and expect them to say... that's cool. You overstepped a line and made things personal, which was completely uncalled for, and now you're making it out to be me who is overreacting?

All right, all right, I apologize. In all honesty I didn't know what that meant. I thought it meant something else.

But you did intentionally misread my posts. So let's just agree to be good neighbors, OK?

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

yeah nate, give it up jeez, cops are awesome

See, even Mixim agrees.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

it really would have been better if he could have taken a few pigs out though, maybe next time they wouldnt have been so fucking eager

 

[Minstrel]

Go to a typical school, find all the bullies...half will become criminals and half will become cops.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

it really would have been better if he could have taken a few pigs out though, maybe next time they wouldnt have been so fucking eager

In all honesty, I wonder what dynamic this would take on if he had shot and killed a couple of cops.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Go to a typical school, find all the bullies...half will become criminals and half will become cops.

Or attorneys.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

In all honesty, I wonder what dynamic this would take on if he had shot and killed a couple of cops.

probably some from both sides. cops saying he was a cop killer, libertarians saying he was protecting himself

there was guy in nh who recently got shot in the head because he "was holding his daughter hostage with a gun"

he showed the gun to cops and said to get the fuck out, and that they were not taking his daughter away from him. clearly bad judgement, but he was clearly never going to hurt his daughter, so to shoot him in the head is strange.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

probably some from both sides. cops saying he was a cop killer, libertarians saying he was protecting himself

there was guy in nh who recently got shot in the head because he "was holding his daughter hostage with a gun"

he showed the gun to cops and said to get the fuck out, and that they were not taking his daughter away from him. clearly bad judgement, but he was clearly never going to hurt his daughter, so to shoot him in the head is strange.

So often these days police are too quick to shoot.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

and when they do shoot, and kill, and it is unnecessary, it should be a big deal

 

[huevonkiller]

Sorry to hear about this.

Cops don't actually need warrants from what I remember about Constitutional law. There's a good faith exemption. If a magistrate creates an invalid warrant, as long as an officer behaves competently that evidence is still admissible.

 

[Rhal]

Unfortunately stories like this are way to common. Police will lie to not only protect themselves but other policemen, its like a brotherhood and if you don't lie to coverup and protect your "brothers" then you get in trouble with everyone else. Its unfortunate that there are so many good cops out there but stories of what they do are usually swept under the rug and the stories of cops not reacting correctly to situations like this and someone dies are spread around the internet as quickly as the Kittycat video Vanilla Gorilla posted.
Cops are usually left up to there chief to be punished and to often the chief will sweep it under the rug to try and avoid bad publicity. I'v talked to a lot of retired police and they usually say the same A lot of cops are on very big power trips and after awhile of putting your life on the line everyday it really gets to people and screws them up mentality.
I'm not a cop hater I just think that there needs to be another fail safe in place for someone outside of the police to that deals with the cop punishments and investigates cops with multiple charges.

 

[MARIS61]

If the guy really was certain he had no idea who was entering his house, and the police gave no verbal warnings at all, then it seems to me he'd have every right to fire a weapon to defend his family.

Why should it matter if he knew they were employed as police officers or not? If anything, it makes the invasion more likely to be a crime than not. Law enforcement officers commit far more crimes than the average citizen does. They are also prone to be mentally unstable, violent, and amoral.

They obviously busted in his door unannounced with guns blazing while his family was home. It belies logic that these bozos took out a vet of 2 combat tours with his safety still on any other way.

They deserve to die for it.

Some rights are superior to laws, IMO, and self-defense is at the top.

 

[Rodolfo]

That's why I shot the Jehovah's Witnesses on my front porch today. I couldn't be sure if they were going to open up on me, and better safe than sorry.


barfo

I was gonna' do the same thing to the Mormons but they offered to help with yard work, so they got a pass.....this time.

 

[MARIS61]

If the police did indeed illegally enter this person's house and shoot him, then they will need to be punished accordingly. Let true justice prevail- both criminally and civilly.

Maybe you're young, naive, and have led a very sheltered life, but that's not how it works in the real world.

Here's how it works in the real world when police murder citizens:

On May 5, 1977, Houston Police officers arrested an Army veteran named Jose Campos Torres in a bar on Houston's East End. On the way to the city jail, the police officers stopped along the banks of Buffalo Bayou and beat Torres. Later, when they tried to book the injured 23-year-old Vietnam veteran, other officers told them he had to be treated at the hospital first. Instead, the officers took Torres back to the bayou, beat him again, and pushed him into the water. Torres couldn't swim and drowned. His body was found on May 8, 1977. After a state trial, the officers involved were given probation and fined $1 each. A federal civil rights trial in 1978 ended with short sentences for some of the officers.

http://app1.kuhf.org/houston_public_radio-news-series-moody_park.php

Ironic coincidence, or deliberately pre-meditated statement, that these two murders of hispanic military veterans by police both occurred on May 5?

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