OT ...this shit is really getting old;

[totus44]

I'm sure the NRA and Trump want her to make a 2A commercial and ask Hillary why she would want to disarm her?

That said, poor gun training. One handed shooting and not squaring up on target. Blind shooting out the door. And poor tactics for not sweeping the corners to clear the room. Good thing they allow std capacity magazines in GA, lol! In CA she would have needed to reload, lol!

 

[yankeesince59]

I'm sure the NRA and Trump want her to make a 2A commercial and ask Hillary why she would want to disarm her?

That said, poor gun training. One handed shooting and not squaring up on target. Blind shooting out the door. And poor tactics for not sweeping the corners to clear the room. Good thing they allow std capacity magazines in GA, lol! In CA she would have needed to reload, lol!

...lol...what he said !

 

[Messiah717]

It does appear she needs to be trained a whole lot better. I know some will say well in that situation she was likely frightened but being out of control with a weapon is not always going to protect you and can lead to the exact opposite. I have a friend who works for the Marshall's Office in Philadelphia and conducts violent felon recovery. We've discussed weapons on many occasions and he has always said the same thing about having a gun for home protection or any protection for that matter. If you're going to have a weapon you need to be very sure that if the situation arises you're ready, willing and able to use it.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

...lol...what he said !

...^^^ touche-

Georgia has a lot of laws, ordinances, Caly could only benefit from. Love the small town(s) gun ordinances, that provide a Deer Rifle, Shotgun, or Hand Gun just for opening a bank account. With other methods to put a gun in every town members non-felon hands. In order to obey the Town Ordinances... in which all non-criminal citizens shall have a gun, and have the right to wear them, concealed or otherwise....



Now if only they'd do the same in Ca., utter chaos would ensue.

still, bring it on.

 

[yankeesince59]

It does appear she needs to be trained a whole lot better. I know some will say well in that situation she was likely frightened but being out of control with a weapon is not always going to protect you and can lead to the exact opposite. I have a friend who works for the Marshall's Office in Philadelphia and conducts violent felon recovery. We've discussed weapons on many occasions and he has always said the same thing about having a gun for home protection or any protection for that matter. If you're going to have a weapon you need to be very sure that if the situation arises you're ready, willing and able to use it.

...believe me, I get your point but going to the shooting range is one thing, but having to actually point and fire your weapon at another human being even though they have broken into your house has got to be tough...when in a real life situation arises like then one this woman faced you never know how nerves will affect your aim and your judgment.
...you could tell from the video that these wannabe gangstas were not expecting someone to challenge them and the mere loud noise made by her gun regardless of how accurate she was scared the shit out of them as they ran.

...but you're right, she probably could have simple fired a shotgun off and the sheer noise would have had the same effect. But for me, I'd rather blow the POS away and not have to worry about a trial.

 

[totus44]

Responsible gun ownership means you train, shooting is a perishable skill.

As for practice vs actual situation, data confirms that if you have developed the muscle memory of the training, human targets are no different than paper. After the incident is where emotions creep in.

That was always my pop's mantra, train marksmanship and then tactical. Learning to shoot and move like she did is a whole other level. I've got weapons, Calibers and ammo staged throughout the house, just in case.

All in all she got 1 of 3 and survived. I'm guessing she had a 9mm which is why the guy could run away. Curious as to the ammo. I'm a big fan of Liberty 50g 9mm Luger +P, fragmenting hollow point. Won't penetrate walls but open wound channels guaranteed to cause bleed out.

It's less exotic than the FN FiveSeven, which I also absolutely love.

 

[yankeesince59]

...sorry Tote, but I call BS on this supposed "data"...2 dimensional targets are not moving, they don't hide behind trees, they don't attack you in groups of 3, and they are not shooting back at you.
... There's a big difference in shooting at a motionless paper target while standing still vs shooting at another human while you are both running/moving.

...sorry, but you're not going to sell me on your stance that "human targets are no different than paper". In principle, maybe, but in real life situations, no.

...I don't get regular practice and my aim/accuracy with a rifle is the same as it was 40 years ago but shooting a handgun accurately is much harder...and I can tell you from personal experience that there is a difference in sighting in a deer rifle to be accurate to within 1/4" from 60 yards vs actually firing it at a big buck for the very first time...it's called "buck fever" and trust me it is real. You think you're prepared because you're hidden in a tree with a high powered scope but believe me, your heart pounds and you tremble as you look through the scope...but to a degree, I do agree that tends to pass with time and practice...but the difference is than you can practice on live deer but unless you're a military sniper you cannot practice on actual living, moving, human beings with weapons of their own.

...and then again, some people are simply not good shots.

...my boy Ron White puts it in perspective;

 

[totus44]

It's not BS Ron. This is why LEO and Military train vs paper all the time. The process becomes clinical, rote. Then skill sets are enhanced and honed in tactical courses.

Hunting is a different experience, you are anticipating the process well in advance.A self defense situation whether civilian, LEO or military doesn't have that emotional component.

I'm not saying these situations don't have adrenaline or anxiety components, sure they do. But the training as a basis negates that impact and allows you to focus on the task at hand. For me it's Mozambique....2 to center mass and one to the head. And in this crazy state of CA, I keep my training targets as future defense evidence.

 

[totus44]

And to avoid back and forth, by proper training I mean the following:

Regular paper target (square and silhouette) for marksmanship and weapon mechanics. Includes dry fire, failure modes, reloading drills and fast/slow rate of fire. Off hand as well, all standing.

Next is mechanical range targets, 2d the advance toward you and turn sideways. Here add shooting stances, stand, kneel and prone.

Next level are more tactical where you move and shoot, includes 3D human torso targets. Clothed are better.

Lastly any sort of force-on-force training. From laser tag, to paintball or air soft. It's not just about hitting the bad guy, it's also avoiding getting hit.

This is how I was taught by my father who I believe had the Bonafides to be called an expert and professional.

 

[yankeesince59]

It's not BS Ron. This is why LEO and Military train vs paper all the time. The process becomes clinical, rote. Then skill sets are enhanced and honed in tactical courses.

Hunting is a different experience, you are anticipating the process well in advance.A self defense situation whether civilian, LEO or military doesn't have that emotional component.

I'm not saying these situations don't have adrenaline or anxiety components, sure they do. But the training as a basis negates that impact and allows you to focus on the task at hand. For me it's Mozambique....2 to center mass and one to the head. And in this crazy state of CA, I keep my training targets as future defense evidence.

...no, actually most of them have switched to 3D targets.

...and yes, equating shooting at stationary paper targets vs shooting at 3 armed intruders in the middle of the night while they are shooting ay you is BS...sorry, it's not the same thing.

...and besides, we're not talking about military training...we're talking about regular civilians like the girl in the video...again, apples and oranges.


...and judging from your blanket statement about deer hunting, you either have no experience or very little experience..."buck fever" is real..here, this will give you an idea of what it's like facing you first buck...the rattling noise you hear near the end is him shaking like hell..again, it's real and I can personally attest to it...you may think you're prepared but you're not.

 

[yankeesince59]

And to avoid back and forth, by proper training I mean the following:

Regular paper target (square and silhouette) for marksmanship and weapon mechanics. Includes dry fire, failure modes, reloading drills and fast/slow rate of fire. Off hand as well, all standing.

Next is mechanical range targets, 2d the advance toward you and turn sideways. Here add shooting stances, stand, kneel and prone.

Next level are more tactical where you move and shoot, includes 3D human torso targets. Clothed are better.

Lastly any sort of force-on-force training. From laser tag, to paintball or air soft. It's not just about hitting the bad guy, it's also avoiding getting hit.

This is how I was taught by my father who I believe had the Bonafides to be called an expert and professional.

...well, again, not eveyone has the time for that...but hooray for you.

 

[yankeesince59]

...more facts surface in the Charlotte shooting....gee, go figure;


http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/charlotte-proves-again-the-case-of-mistaken-victimology/

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/2...ed-was-killer-wife-said-in-court-records.html

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/ne...lotte-shooting-protests/article104389076.html

 

[totus44]

Heard an interesting stat today on the drive home. There is a greater chance of being struck and injured by lightning than there is being shot by a police officer in the US.

Time to protest lightning, it's obviously racist, white only.

 

[yankeesince59]

...and now we have another incident in Cali...not even sure why this is a story but the press obviously thinks every time a black man is shot it should be reported in order to fan the flames even further...more "dirty laundry" from the jackals in the media;


http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/28/us/california-police-shooting/

...look at this picture...^^^this guy either is pointing a gun or pretending to point a gun at the officer...what else were the cops supposed to do?



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[totus44]

^^^^illegal protest underway in El Cajon. Should be interesting to see what happens tonight. Not gonna be surprised when an active shooter situation pops up at these rallies/protests/looting parties. We got a lot of batshit crazy white guys that are seriously armed down in El Cajon...maybe the powder keg finally gets lit.

That said, spent the morning cleaning, oiling and reloading. be prepared...back when being a boyscout meant something, lol!

 

[Mattingly23NY]

It's not BS Ron. This is why LEO and Military train vs paper all the time. The process becomes clinical, rote. Then skill sets are enhanced and honed in tactical courses.

Hunting is a different experience, you are anticipating the process well in advance.A self defense situation whether civilian, LEO or military doesn't have that emotional component.

I'm not saying these situations don't have adrenaline or anxiety components, sure they do. But the training as a basis negates that impact and allows you to focus on the task at hand. For me it's Mozambique....2 to center mass and one to the head. And in this crazy state of CA, I keep my training targets as future defense evidence.

The Mozambique drill, the Thoraic Triangle followed by the T-shot.....

Me, I prefer grenades.....nothing like flying parts....




the Mozambique Drill:





"There's a lot of pretty girls in Mozambique
And plenty time for good romance
And everybody likes to stop and speak
To give the special one you seek a chance
Or maybe say hello with just a glance".

 

[yankeesince59]

^^^^illegal protest underway in El Cajon. Should be interesting to see what happens tonight. Not gonna be surprised when an active shooter situation pops up at these rallies/protests/looting parties. We got a lot of batshit crazy white guys that are seriously armed down in El Cajon...maybe the powder keg finally gets lit.

That said, spent the morning cleaning, oiling and reloading. be prepared...back when being a boyscout meant something, lol!

...I'm ready...been ready for awhile...500+ rounds of .243 Fusion...200+ rounds of 00 buckshot...500+ rounds of 22 LR...and 500+ rounds of .17 HMR.


...bring it.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

...like I've been saying, the press is partly to blame for a lot of this crap. The reason the press does not report much on black on black crimes and incidents is because evidently in their opinion it's not a story.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...g-press-downplays-key-fact-officers-race.html



...now, the cop who did the shooting is black, and the police chief is also black. So when will a black leader come out and tell other blacks that they can't blame whitey for everything?

Only one of many black male's looked up to by youth, as role models, seems to know and can educate those blacks to the truths, that man is Sir Charles Barkley.

...I'm ready...been ready for awhile...500+ rounds of .243 Fusion...200+ rounds of 00 buckshot...500+ rounds of 22 LR...and 500+ rounds of .17 HMR.


...bring it.

I'll pick you up at the airport; if you wan't to come join the action....There's plenty of room, we could use someone to man the cannon on top; look for the Vehicle below once you get to LAX, we'll be waiting.

I think Tote's gonna' finally launch his V-2 Rocket, down on the asses, I mean masses.

 

[totus44]

...I'm ready...been ready for awhile...500+ rounds of .243 Fusion...200+ rounds of 00 buckshot...500+ rounds of 22 LR...and 500+ rounds of .17 HMR.


...bring it.

Nice.

2000 rounds .223/5.56 NATO
1000 rounds .30 M1 carbine
2000 rounds 9mm Luger
1000+ .22LR

I feel under stocked, lol!