Politics This video about sums it up on why I am voting for Trump

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I didn't say they weren't. The question you posed was, "Why would a billionaire be running for President if he didn't love America." The answer is power.

And besides that, you have to admit that the Jafar analogy was pretty tight.

Then why do this without even publicizing it?

Obama Let This Marine Rot in Jail. Look What Donald Trump Did for Him!

AUG 22, 2015
POSTED BY
BUZZPO STAFF

Remember when U.S. Marine Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi spent 214 days rotting away in a filthy Mexican jail? The conditions were so bad, and his hope of returning home was so dismal, that he tried to take his own life on more than one occasion.

And what was President Obama do during that time? Why, what he does best! He vacationed on your dime and he played golf at the priciest and most exclusive courses in the country. He couldn’t even bring himself to pencil in one phone call to discuss Tahmooressi’s release.

Well you can bet that had Donald Trump been the one in the Oval Office, things would have shaken out much differently.

“We don’t have a good relationship with Mexico,” Trump said at a recent campaign event. “Remember Sgt. Tahmooressi?”

“They kept him in jail,” continued the 2016 Republican frontrunner. “We had a president that didn’t even want to make a phone call. He was in that jail, rotting in that jail, and I helped him with Greta and some people. And I helped him financially, and finally he got out. But he was in there so long!”

Trump offered an undisclosed amount of financial assistance to Sgt. Tahmooressi after his release so that he could jumpstart his life. The real estate mogul did so quietly, which makes his gesture all the more noble.

We’re just finding out about this now, because at the time Trump gave Tahmooressi money, he didn’t publicize it, he simply did the right thing because he genuinely appreciates everything our soldiers do. Wouldn’t it be amazing to have a Commander in Chief with that kind of respect for our military?

or this a long time ago?

A 66-Year-Old Widow’s Farm Faced Foreclosure… Then Trump SAVED THE DAY!


Annabel Hill of Waynesboro, Georgia lived a difficult life. At age 66, her husband Lenard killed himself in an attempt to save the family farm with insurance money. But the life insurance didn’t provide nearly enough.

So the farm, which had been in her family for five generations, was scheduled for auction.

But Donald Trump saw the story on NBC Nightly News, and he swung into action! Trump knew that hard-working farmers have made America great, and they deserve our support.

“I saw a story on the news about Annabel Hill, who’d hit bottom,” The Donald writes in his book The America We Deserve.

“It was a very sad situation, and I was moved,” Trump writes in The Art of the Deal. “Here were people who’d worked very hard and honestly all their lives, only to see it all crumble before them. To me, it just seemed wrong.”

Trump reached out to Argenbright, who was able to put Trump in touch with bank that held Hill’s mortgage.

“The next morning, I called and got some vice president on the line,” writes Trump. “I explained that I was a businessman from New York, and that I was interested in helping Mrs. Hill. He told me he was sorry, but that it was too late. They were going to auction off the farm, he said, and ‘nothing or no one is going to stop it.’”

It was then, Trump claims, he decided to talk tough to the banker.

via Buzzfeed

According to Trump’s account, he was willing to get rough with the bank. Trump said he yelled at the banker holding the mortgage, “You listen to me. If you do foreclose, I’ll personally bring a lawsuit for murder against you and your bank, on the grounds that you harassed Mrs. Hill’s husband to his death.”

Trump reached out to Atlanta-business Frank Argenbright, and they both put up the money with the Federal Land Bank for a 30-day option to buy the farm. The auction was called off with only two hours to spare!

During that time, a donation drive helped raise the money to pay for the farm, largely thanks to Trump bringing attention to the cause and his connections to radio shows.

“Financially this was obviously no big deal,” writes Trump in The America We Deserve. “But in human terms, there aren’t words to express what Annabel Hill gave to me. Most of us have a few things in life we would never give back, no matter what. Helping Annabel is that way for me.”

Here is a picture of Donald Trump burning the mortgage with Annabel Hill, later that year during Christmas. What an American hero!

Before she passed away, Mrs. Hill said, “The only way I can explain [Donald Trump’s actions] was God touched his heart.”

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Then why do this without even publicizing it?

Obama Let This Marine Rot in Jail. Look What Donald Trump Did for Him!

AUG 22, 2015
POSTED BY
BUZZPO STAFF

Remember when U.S. Marine Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi spent 214 days rotting away in a filthy Mexican jail? The conditions were so bad, and his hope of returning home was so dismal, that he tried to take his own life on more than one occasion.

And what was President Obama do during that time? Why, what he does best! He vacationed on your dime and he played golf at the priciest and most exclusive courses in the country. He couldn’t even bring himself to pencil in one phone call to discuss Tahmooressi’s release.

Well you can bet that had Donald Trump been the one in the Oval Office, things would have shaken out much differently.

“We don’t have a good relationship with Mexico,” Trump said at a recent campaign event. “Remember Sgt. Tahmooressi?”

“They kept him in jail,” continued the 2016 Republican frontrunner. “We had a president that didn’t even want to make a phone call. He was in that jail, rotting in that jail, and I helped him with Greta and some people. And I helped him financially, and finally he got out. But he was in there so long!”

Trump offered an undisclosed amount of financial assistance to Sgt. Tahmooressi after his release so that he could jumpstart his life. The real estate mogul did so quietly, which makes his gesture all the more noble.

We’re just finding out about this now, because at the time Trump gave Tahmooressi money, he didn’t publicize it, he simply did the right thing because he genuinely appreciates everything our soldiers do. Wouldn’t it be amazing to have a Commander in Chief with that kind of respect for our military?

or this a long time ago?

A 66-Year-Old Widow’s Farm Faced Foreclosure… Then Trump SAVED THE DAY!


Annabel Hill of Waynesboro, Georgia lived a difficult life. At age 66, her husband Lenard killed himself in an attempt to save the family farm with insurance money. But the life insurance didn’t provide nearly enough.

So the farm, which had been in her family for five generations, was scheduled for auction.

But Donald Trump saw the story on NBC Nightly News, and he swung into action! Trump knew that hard-working farmers have made America great, and they deserve our support.

“I saw a story on the news about Annabel Hill, who’d hit bottom,” The Donald writes in his book The America We Deserve.

“It was a very sad situation, and I was moved,” Trump writes in The Art of the Deal. “Here were people who’d worked very hard and honestly all their lives, only to see it all crumble before them. To me, it just seemed wrong.”

Trump reached out to Argenbright, who was able to put Trump in touch with bank that held Hill’s mortgage.

“The next morning, I called and got some vice president on the line,” writes Trump. “I explained that I was a businessman from New York, and that I was interested in helping Mrs. Hill. He told me he was sorry, but that it was too late. They were going to auction off the farm, he said, and ‘nothing or no one is going to stop it.’”

It was then, Trump claims, he decided to talk tough to the banker.

via Buzzfeed

According to Trump’s account, he was willing to get rough with the bank. Trump said he yelled at the banker holding the mortgage, “You listen to me. If you do foreclose, I’ll personally bring a lawsuit for murder against you and your bank, on the grounds that you harassed Mrs. Hill’s husband to his death.”

Trump reached out to Atlanta-business Frank Argenbright, and they both put up the money with the Federal Land Bank for a 30-day option to buy the farm. The auction was called off with only two hours to spare!

During that time, a donation drive helped raise the money to pay for the farm, largely thanks to Trump bringing attention to the cause and his connections to radio shows.

“Financially this was obviously no big deal,” writes Trump in The America We Deserve. “But in human terms, there aren’t words to express what Annabel Hill gave to me. Most of us have a few things in life we would never give back, no matter what. Helping Annabel is that way for me.”

Here is a picture of Donald Trump burning the mortgage with Annabel Hill, later that year during Christmas. What an American hero!

Before she passed away, Mrs. Hill said, “The only way I can explain [Donald Trump’s actions] was God touched his heart.”

Why does one have to have anything to do with the other? We have no idea why either of those stories moved him to action. They don't negate the possibility that his primary motivation for running for president could just as easily be for power as for love of country. It's not as though either position is provable.

 

[magnifier661]

Why does one have to have anything to do with the other? We have no idea why either of those stories moved him to action. They don't negate the possibility that his primary motivation for running for president could just as easily be for power as for love of country. It's not as though either position is provable.

That's fine. I guess we can agree to disagree then.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

That's fine. I guess we can agree to disagree then.

So, you're saying that there's zero possibility that power is Trump's primary motivator? Because that's the only position I've claimed--that it's a reasonable theory.

 

[magnifier661]

So, you're saying that there's zero possibility that power is Trump's primary motivator? Because that's the only position I've claimed--that it's a reasonable theory.

I don't argue that there IS a possibility, especially when I openly admit that he has a very high opinion of himself. What I am "disagreeing with" is that this is the MAIN REASON he wants to be president, which your video advertises.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I don't argue that there IS a possibility, especially when I openly admit that he has a very high opinion of himself. What I am "disagreeing with" is that this is the MAIN REASON he wants to be president, which your video advertises.

You're too emotionally invested in this topic to be rational. A rational, objective person has the ability to see both sides of a discussion. The video is intended to illustrate the cynical--but not unreasonable--theory, not my own perspective. I don't have an opinion on Trump's motivation, but I'm willing to entertain multiple possibilities, including patriotism.

 

[magnifier661]

You're too emotionally invested in this topic to be rational. A rational, objective person has the ability to see both sides of a discussion. The video is intended to illustrate the cynical--but not unreasonable--theory, not my own perspective. I don't have an opinion on Trump's motivation, but I'm willing to entertain multiple possibilities, including patriotism.

True... I am more concerned with a candidate that I believe has the leadership skills and ability to get things done.

If you want me to agree with you, then I will be more than happy to 100% agree with you. Fine?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

True... I am more concerned with a candidate that I believe has the leadership skills and ability to get things done.

If you want me to agree with you, then I will be more than happy to 100% agree with you. Fine?

You crack me up. You realize that I'm not an adversary, right?

 

[magnifier661]

You crack me up. You realize that I'm not an adversary, right?

I have been aware because you've defended some positions.

 

[Blazer Freak]

The building of Trump's empire has been linked to the mob for a long time...his run for President is going to surely bring more attention to it as it becomes more serious. I honestly don't know how anyone in their right might things he would make a good candidate. Does his "fuck the establishment" outlook resonate...definitely. But I think EVERY American citizen is sick of the same ole' bullshit that goes on in Washington. It's refreshing to see someone not give a fuck...but that doesn't make him even a decent candidate. Not only does Trump have ties to the mob, he has fucked over THOUSANDS of small and family businesses in NY and Atlantic City. There are countless stories of his company contracting or sub-contracting work out, having the work done, and then strategically filing for bankruptcy to get out of paying these small businesses...hanging nearly all of them out to dry and forcing them to go out of business.

Trump is a piece of shit, one who has a refreshing take on how to operate in the political landscape, but nonetheless still a GIANT piece of shit.

I'm neither Republican nor Democrat, but it is clear as day to me that Republicans have absolutely no shot of getting any of their candidates elected (regardless of who it is) until as a party they decide to move away from many of their draconian views on issues.

Donald Trump's glittering empire of New York skyscrapers and Atlantic City casinos have long had a darker side, allegations that the mob helped build them.

Trump's alleged ties to New York and Philadelphia crime families go back decades and have been recounted in a book, newspapers and government records.

"The mob connections of Donald are extraordinarily extensive," New York investigative journalist Wayne Barrett told CNN in an interview.

Barrett, the author of the 1992 unauthorized biography "Trump: The Deals and the Downfall," wrote that Trump's life "intertwines with the underworld."

The allegations are getting new scrutiny as Trump runs for president, largely on his record as a successful, and extraordinarily wealthy, businessman. As Trump cements his leads atop the polls, questions about how he made his billions, and who helped him make them, are starting to take center stage.

A Trump spokesperson did not respond to multiple requests for comment on this story.

To be sure, organized crime had ties to the New York and New Jersey construction industry in the 1980's and early 1990's, making contact between developers and mafia-controlled companies almost unavoidable at times.

"There was a certain amount of mob association during which the father and he were building, which was very difficult to avoid in the New York construction world," Barrett said, adding, "He went out of his way not to avoid them, but to increase them."

In a recent Federalist article, David Marcus writes that Trump bought the property that his Atlantic City casino Trump Plaza would one day occupy -- for twice market price -- from Salvatore Testa, a Philly mobster and son of one-time Philly mob boss Philip "Chicken Man" Testa. (Springsteen fans might recognize the elder Testa from the opening lines of the song, Atlantic City.)

In his book, Barrett writes that Testa and a partner, who together headed a Philly mafia hit-squad called the Young Executioners, bought the property for "a scant $195,000" in 1977. In 1982, Trump paid $1.1 million for it.

"The $220 per square foot that Trump paid for the Testa property was the second most expensive purchase he made on the block, even though it was one of the first parcels he bought," Barrett wrote.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/31/politics/trump-mob-mafia/

Donald Trump’s Connections to Organized Crime
Trump was building his eponymous empire of hotels, casinos, and high rises in the early 1980s in New York City and Atlantic City. In both places, the construction industry was firmly under the thumb of the mafia. And in both places there are literally concrete connections between La Cosa Nostra and Trump’s lavish projects. Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist David Cay Johnston, who has covered Trump for decades, has written a very useful list of questions for Trump. Many focus on his ties to the mob. In addition in his 1992 book, “Trump, The Deals and the Downfall,” author Wayne Barrett lays out a slew of suspicious dealings and associations.

The Atlantic City story starts with Trump’s purchase of a bar, at twice its market value, from Salvatore Testa, a made man in the Philadelphia mafia and son of Philip “Chicken Man” Testa, who was briefly head of the Philly mob after Angelo Bruno’s 1980 killing. Harrah’s casino, half owned by Trump, would be built on that land, and Trump would quickly buy out his partner, Harrah’s Entertainment, and rename the casino Trump Plaza.

Author Wayne Barrett lays out a slew of suspicious dealings and associations.
Trump Plaza’s connection to the mob didn’t end with the land purchase from Testa. Nicademo “Little Nicky” Scarfo (who became boss after the elder Testa was blown up) and his nephew Phillip “crazy Phil” Leonetti controlled two of the major construction and concrete companies in Atlantic City. Both companies, Scarf, Inc. and Nat Nat, did work on the construction of Harrah’s, according the State of New Jersey Commission of Investigation’s 1986 report on organized crime. In addition, Scarfo, whose reign as head of the Philly mob was one of the bloodiest in history, controlled the bartenders union, which represented Trump’s workers in Atlantic City, according to George Anastasia’s book, “Blood and Honor.”

One more link to organized crime lurks in Trump’s past Atlantic City dealings. He had aclose association with Kenny Shapiro, an investment banker for Scarfo. According to secret recordings of then Scarfo attorney Robert F. Simone, Shapiro was intimately involved with bribing Atlantic City Mayor Michael J. Matthews, whose term would end in 1984 with a conviction on extortion charges. On the tapes, in 1983, Simone, talking about Leonetti, states: “He’s a nice-looking boy…Nicky’s nephew, he can sit with the…mayor. Ah, and Kenny’s (Shapiro) got the mayor through this kid Phillip.”

http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/28/how-close-was-donald-trump-to-the-mob/

Then why do this without even publicizing it?

Obama Let This Marine Rot in Jail. Look What Donald Trump Did for Him!


Remember when U.S. Marine Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi spent 214 days rotting away in a filthy Mexican jail? The conditions were so bad, and his hope of returning home was so dismal, that he tried to take his own life on more than one occasion.

And what was President Obama do during that time? Why, what he does best! He vacationed on your dime and he played golf at the priciest and most exclusive courses in the country. He couldn’t even bring himself to pencil in one phone call to discuss Tahmooressi’s release.

Well you can bet that had Donald Trump been the one in the Oval Office, things would have shaken out much differently.

“We don’t have a good relationship with Mexico,” Trump said at a recent campaign event. “Remember Sgt. Tahmooressi?”

“They kept him in jail,” continued the 2016 Republican frontrunner. “We had a president that didn’t even want to make a phone call. He was in that jail, rotting in that jail, and I helped him with Greta and some people. And I helped him financially, and finally he got out. But he was in there so long!”

Trump offered an undisclosed amount of financial assistance to Sgt. Tahmooressi after his release so that he could jumpstart his life. The real estate mogul did so quietly, which makes his gesture all the more noble.

We’re just finding out about this now, because at the time Trump gave Tahmooressi money, he didn’t publicize it, he simply did the right thing because he genuinely appreciates everything our soldiers do. Wouldn’t it be amazing to have a Commander in Chief with that kind of respect for our military?

or this a long time ago?

 

[magnifier661]

The building of Trump's empire has been linked to the mob for a long time...his run for President is going to surely bring more attention to it as it becomes more serious. I honestly don't know how anyone in their right might things he would make a good candidate. Does his "fuck the establishment" outlook resonate...definitely. But I think EVERY American citizen is sick of the same ole' bullshit that goes on in Washington. It's refreshing to see someone not give a fuck...but that doesn't make him even a decent candidate. Not only does Trump have ties to the mob, he has fucked over THOUSANDS of small and family businesses in NY and Atlantic City. There are countless stories of his company contracting or sub-contracting work out, having the work done, and then strategically filing for bankruptcy to get out of paying these small businesses...hanging nearly all of them out to dry and forcing them to go out of business.

Trump is a piece of shit, one who has a refreshing take on how to operate in the political landscape, but nonetheless still a GIANT piece of shit.

I'm neither Republican nor Democrat, but it is clear as day to me that Republicans have absolutely no shot of getting any of their candidates elected (regardless of who it is) until as a party they decide to move away from many of their draconian views on issues.



http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/31/politics/trump-mob-mafia/


http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/28/how-close-was-donald-trump-to-the-mob/

Well shit... If we can use allegations as a judge of character, then we can say Obama is a Muslim, non-american citizen that wants to bring shari law into America. There have been many of those allegations going around already.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

The building of Trump's empire has been linked to the mob for a long time...his run for President is going to surely bring more attention to it as it becomes more serious. I honestly don't know how anyone in their right might things he would make a good candidate. Does his "fuck the establishment" outlook resonate...definitely. But I think EVERY American citizen is sick of the same ole' bullshit that goes on in Washington. It's refreshing to see someone not give a fuck...but that doesn't make him even a decent candidate. Not only does Trump have ties to the mob, he has fucked over THOUSANDS of small and family businesses in NY and Atlantic City. There are countless stories of his company contracting or sub-contracting work out, having the work done, and then strategically filing for bankruptcy to get out of paying these small businesses...hanging nearly all of them out to dry and forcing them to go out of business.

Trump is a piece of shit, one who has a refreshing take on how to operate in the political landscape, but nonetheless still a GIANT piece of shit.

I'm neither Republican nor Democrat, but it is clear as day to me that Republicans have absolutely no shot of getting any of their candidates elected (regardless of who it is) until as a party they decide to move away from many of their draconian views on issues.



http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/31/politics/trump-mob-mafia/


http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/28/how-close-was-donald-trump-to-the-mob/

So, because the bartenders union and construction companies were run by the mob, anyone who built a casino automatically had mob ties? That seems pretty weak.

 

[Blazer Freak]

You can tell a lot about a person by the people they surround themselves with and who they do business with. Obviously when it comes to being as successful as Trump, you don't get there without stepping on people's toes and often times having some help...but I think it's pretty easy to see that he is not what this country needs right now.

 

[magnifier661]

You can tell a lot about a person by the people they surround themselves with and who they do business with. Obviously when it comes to being as successful as Trump, you don't get there without stepping on people's toes and often times having some help...but I think it's pretty easy to see that he is not what this country needs right now.

The DC Establishment has stepped on all our toes without batting an eye. It would be nice for them to get kicked in the nuts like they've been kicking ours.

 

[Blazer Freak]

The DC Establishment has stepped on all our toes without batting an eye. It would be nice for them to get kicked in the nuts like they've been kicking ours.

I can't disagree with you there. Everything I've seen and read so far has me very intrigued by Bernie...being so far out I haven't spent too much time on Politics. Don't plan on it until the field clears up a little bit. With announcement like Bernie's today that his litmus test for future SC justices if if they plan to go after the Citizen's United Act, Bernie feels like someone who has the momentum to actually win and kick the establishment's ass.

Skimming the OT forum you seem to be against him, may I ask why?

 

[Denny Crane]

I can't disagree with you there. Everything I've seen and read so far has me very intrigued by Bernie...being so far out I haven't spent too much time on Politics. Don't plan on it until the field clears up a little bit. With announcement like Bernie's today that his litmus test for future SC justices if if they plan to go after the Citizen's United Act, Bernie feels like someone who has the momentum to actually win and kick the establishment's ass.

Skimming the OT forum you seem to be against him, may I ask why?

Citizens United was the correct ruling.

If Unions can mandate membership and thus dues, and uses those dues for political purposes, why shouldn't a corporation be allowed to do likewise?

I happen to be pro union, but I'm also pro free speech.

 

[magnifier661]

I can't disagree with you there. Everything I've seen and read so far has me very intrigued by Bernie...being so far out I haven't spent too much time on Politics. Don't plan on it until the field clears up a little bit. With announcement like Bernie's today that his litmus test for future SC justices if if they plan to go after the Citizen's United Act, Bernie feels like someone who has the momentum to actually win and kick the establishment's ass.

Skimming the OT forum you seem to be against him, may I ask why?

I'm actually not against him as a person and as I've said many times, I think he's got good motives. I don't think he has some secrete agenda here.

What I do see is him being in office for 16 years, during which time congress was responsible for 14.5+ trillion in debt. Maybe he was against it, but he definitely had enough influence in the White House to make things happen to stop the bleeding.

Then, I look at policies and which countries he wants us to emulate. They tax anywhere from 35-49% of their country's GDP. That's like 6-9 trillion total government spending.

So when I see this possibility of my tax going to the government and how DC has spent their credit cards like some spoiled trust fund kid on rodeo drive, it scares the living shit out of me.

So I like Bernie as a person, I think he means well, but if he makes it to the White House, DC will pass bills to tax more, then fuck him over and use it for other things. I just don't see Bernie have the clout to enforce change, especially when we saw how the BLM girls took the mic from him and he just walked away with his head down.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

BLM girls took the mic from him and he just walked away with his head down.

What did you want him to do? Fight them? Shoot them? Challenge them to a rap battle?

 

[magnifier661]

What did you want him to do? Fight them? Shoot them? Challenge them to a rap battle?

Have the necessary foresight to stop them before they get to him.

Definitely, have security take them away if they got that close.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Have the necessary foresight to stop them before they get to him.

Definitely, have security take them away if they got that close.

Oh, it's his security you have a problem with. Well the good news is if he is elected president he will have the secret service to keep the BLM people away.

 

[magnifier661]

Oh, it's his security you have a problem with. Well the good news is if he is elected president he will have the secret service to keep the BLM people away.

No it's Bernie, because he didn't tell his security to remove them. He just sat back and let them do their thing while he didn't say a word. Only until fans and the security finally took it upon themselves to remove them was when they left. Bernie did absolutely nothing.

 

[Denny Crane]

I saw code pink and other loonies disrupt Cheney and other administration officials in congressional hearings. Their response was, "I'm happy to live in a country where people can voice their opinions, critical of government or not."

 

[bulls_with_booz]

The biggest myth I've heard about Sanders is that he's about the middle class. His demographic is the under 20-30k a year crowd, often on welfare, etc. If anyone is about the middle class, it's Trump. The whole "the middle class doesn't exist" is horseshit spewed by underachievers who think everybody is failing at life.

Truth be told, his tax plan isn't perfect. Cutting taxes is good...but he's cutting them a lot. I'd assume that's because he thinks he can make up the lost cash by being better at business, trade, and having people consume more because now they have more control of their money.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

The biggest myth I've heard about Sanders is that he's about the middle class. His demographic is the under 20-30k a year crowd, often on welfare, etc. If anyone is about the middle class, it's Trump. The whole "the middle class doesn't exist" is horseshit spewed by underachievers who think everybody is failing at life.

Truth be told, his tax plan isn't perfect. Cutting taxes is good...but he's cutting them a lot. I'd assume that's because he thinks he can make up the lost cash by being better at business, trade, and having people consume more because now they have more control of their money.

Bingo

 

[barfo]

The biggest myth I've heard about Sanders is that he's about the middle class. His demographic is the under 20-30k a year crowd, often on welfare, etc. If anyone is about the middle class, it's Trump. The whole "the middle class doesn't exist" is horseshit spewed by underachievers who think everybody is failing at life.

That's not actually correct, about Sanders, in fact it's backwards. At least according to the Fox News poll (not endorsing Fox, just the most recent poll I could find data for quickly), among <$50k voters, Hillary leads Bernie 54-20%, while for >$50k voters, Bernie leads 38-37.

Now, as far as Trump being about the middle class - yeah... sure. That's why his tax plan gives the biggest break to the top 1%.

barfo

 

[bulls_with_booz]

I hope you realize not everybody in the %1 is a Batman villain. Also, his tax plan gives breaks to pretty much everyone.

 

[barfo]

I hope you realize not everybody in the %1 is a Batman villain. Also, his tax plan gives breaks to pretty much everyone.

Oh, I'm very aware of the former. As for the latter, yes it does (which makes it a bullshit plan, since it isn't coupled with corresponding spending cuts), but bigger breaks to the wealthy than the non-wealthy (which makes it a typical Republican plan).

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

Oh, I'm very aware of the former. As for the latter, yes it does (which makes it a bullshit plan, since it isn't coupled with corresponding spending cuts), but bigger breaks to the wealthy than the non-wealthy (which makes it a typical Republican plan).

barfo

Are you really completely blind to the job creation this will do? The additional business this will stimulate? The additional revenue to be reaped?

 

[bulls_with_booz]

Oh, I'm very aware of the former. As for the latter, yes it does (which makes it a bullshit plan, since it isn't coupled with corresponding spending cuts), but bigger breaks to the wealthy than the non-wealthy (which makes it a typical Republican plan).

barfo

Well, yeah. The Republican tax plan consists of cuts, usually.

Spending cuts is a different issue. Trump seems to like big military, so I doubt a cut will be made there.

Personally, my favorite tax plan presented thus far has been from Rand Paul.

https://www.randpaul.com/issue/taxes

 

[bulls_with_booz]

Are you really completely blind to the job creation this will do? The additional business this will stimulate? The additional revenue to be reaped?

This too. If Trump actually brings industry back to the U.S, people will be making money they can actually spend because they aren't taxed into the grave.