This Will Be the Game of the Season for Miller!

[BGrantFan]

But, your boy Aldridge who is a 16 PER on the same losing team, is making $11 mil per and its quite the bargain.

Yeah. Aldridge is having a down year, and the team is suffering. Matthews and Miller are playing "well", yet the team is under .500.

 

[RoyToy]

Nice theory. Too bad the data doesn't support your conclusion. Mo Williams has a 0.291 3FG%. And, this is your solutiuon to our shooting woes?

BNM

So just like that you're going to discount the fact that he's a career 39% 3pt shooter based on 16 games? Really? Really? Hmm.

His average the last two years is 43% in a role that he would play here in Portland. That tells me a lot more this the first 16 games of this season.

 

[MickZagger]

PapaG is right to bag on Miller's shooting and wanting to replace him with Mo Williams to fix the problem.

Mo Williams is a very good 3pt shooter, Miller isn't. It's that simple. Williams demands a defender on him/run at him when he has the ball behind the 3pt line while teams give Miller 5 feet of space when he has the ball behind the 3pt line and won't even bother closing out on him. There's a huge difference between the two in their shooting abilities and TS% won't tell you that.

One big reason why the Blazers were so successful 2 years ago is because they had the guys to space floor who were good 3pt shooters. The Blazers were 4th that year in 3pt% and they were 12th in attempts. Nate McMillan isn't lying when he says the players just aren't hitting shots this year. As of right now they're 24th in the league in 3pt%. That's bad. Bringing in Mo Williams would create a ton of space for players like Roy and Aldridge while adding another 3pt threat to the team.

Getting a PG who is primarily a 3 point shooter was a good idea, say, last year. But, Roy doesn't command the attention on defense that he used to and teams don't close in on him like they used to, thus less open jumpers.

We seriously shouldn't be in the business of catering to a SG who's knees are shot unless he can prove he still has explosiveness. Which, I personally doubt, as much as I wish that he did.

When looking to make the team better, we need to look at best possible players. Not players that can co-exist with what Roy wants to do. Because, its a good possibility that Roy's days an All-Star caliber player are numbered.

 

[MickZagger]

Yeah. Aldridge is having a down year, and the team is suffering. Matthews and Miller are playing "well", yet the team is under .500.

Aldridge isn't too far off from his career PER #'s. What will it take for you to realize that Aldridge isn't this good PF that you think he is?

 

[BGrantFan]

Getting a PG who is primarily a 3 point shooter was a good idea, say, last year. But, Roy doesn't command the attention on defense that he used to and teams don't close in on him like they used to, thus less open jumpers.

We seriously shouldn't be in the business of catering to a SG who's knees are shot unless he can prove he still has explosiveness. Which, I personally doubt, as much as I wish that he did.

When looking to make the team better, we need to look at best possible players. Not players that can co-exist with what Roy wants to do. Because, its a good possibility that Roy's days an All-Star caliber player are numbered.

Those are good points, but Wesley Matthews has also shown the ability to get to the rim. Having a PG who shot-puts the ball from 20' diminishes Matthews' and Roy's (on a good knee night) greatest offensive strength. I just don't see the point in having Miller on the team. This season may end up with a 7th or 8th seed, but that seems about the ceiling at this point. May as well try and use a valuable trading asset to look for a more long-term answer.

 

[RoyToy]

Getting a PG who is primarily a 3 point shooter was a good idea, say, last year. But, Roy doesn't command the attention on defense that he used to and teams don't close in on him like they used to, thus less open jumpers.

We seriously shouldn't be in the business of catering to a SG who's knees are shot unless he can prove he still has explosiveness. Which, I personally doubt, as much as I wish that he did.

When looking to make the team better, we need to look at best possible players. Not players that can co-exist with what Roy wants to do. Because, its a good possibility that Roy's days an All-Star caliber player are numbered.

Steve Blake is primarily a 3pt shooter. Mo Williams isn't. He's just a good scorer while also averaging 5 assists a game. He's a good player and is only 27. That alone is a good fit.

Now, Roy isn't the only player I mentioned. I also mentioned Aldridge who gets doubled all the time. Roy still does as well.And when they're on the court with Miller and Miller doesn't have the ball it's almost like playing 4v5. Teams help off Miller all the time and it prohibits the Blazers offense from being able to space the defense out. It's been a problem from day 1 and still is. Miller not being a 3pt threat hurts.

 

[MickZagger]

Those are good points, but Wesley Matthews has also shown the ability to get to the rim. Having a PG who shot-puts the ball from 20' diminishes Matthews' and Roy's (on a good knee night) greatest offensive strength. I just don't see the piont in having Miller on the team. This season may end up with a 7th or 8th seed, but that seems about the ceiling at this point. May as well try and use a valuable trading asset to look for a more long-term answer.

...and that answer is Mo Williams?

I don't think we'd be any better with Williams, heck I think it'd be a downgrade.

 

[BGrantFan]

Aldridge isn't too far off from his career PER #'s. What will it take for you to realize that Aldridge isn't this good PF that you think he is?

You posting to me about how bad he sucks 15 times a day?

 

[BGrantFan]

...and that answer is Mo Williams?

I don't think we'd be any better with Williams, heck I think it'd be a downgrade.

I think he's a better fit. Here we are...

 

[Boob-No-More]

Gee, and what is missing from Cleveland this year compared to Mo's 40% years? Oh yeah, an offensive player who can drive the lane and open up three point shooters.

Did you even think before you posted this?

Yeah, I did. Too bad that player is in Miami. We sure don't have anyone like that in Portland to make Mo Williams an all-star.

And gee, maybe that's why our team 3FG% is down. The Brandon Roy we have now isn't the same player he was two years ago. He doesn't command nearly the same defensive attention he did two years ago, and he drives the lane a lot less to create open looks for his teammates. Roy's APG and AST% have both completely fallen off a cliff. He is not, and never will be again, the same player he was.

So, without a legitmate superstar to ceate open looks for him, is Mo Williams and his crappy shooting and ballhogging USG% really the answer to our problems? Sure doesn't seem like it, does it?

BNM

 

[Minstrel]

Those are good points, but Wesley Matthews has also shown the ability to get to the rim..

Matthews doesn't have Roy's passing ability, so an outside shooter wouldn't be able to leverage Matthews' slashing ability. For a drive-and-kick game, you need a slasher with high level passing skills like the old Roy or, I dunno, Miller.

Maybe we should trade Roy for Mo!

 

[Boob-No-More]

So just like that you're going to discount the fact that he's a career 39% 3pt shooter based on 16 games? Really? Really? Hmm.

His average the last two years is 43% in a role that he would play here in Portland. That tells me a lot more this the first 16 games of this season.

So, who are we going to trade to Miami for LeBron? The fact is, Mo Williams is only good when he has a superstar teammate who commands defensive attention and creates open shots for him. Too bad we don't have one of those. He'd be shooting the same 0.291 3FG% here in Portland as he is in Cleveland. Perhaps worse, as our players tend to rush a lot of 3-pointers as the shot clock winds down thanks to Nate's unimginative offense.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

I think he's a better fit. Here we are...

With his 28.7 USG% Really? And Miller with his 21.1 USG% is a ballhog?

BNM

 

[RoyToy]

So, who are we going to trade to Miami for LeBron? The fact is, Mo Williams is only good when he has a superstar teammate who commands defensive attention and creates open shots for him. Too bad we don't have one of those. He'd be shooting the same 0.291 3FG% here in Portland as he is in Cleveland. Perhaps worse, as our players tend to rush a lot of 3-pointers as the shot clock winds down thanks to Nate's unimginative offense.

BNM

....

The season before coming to Cleveland Mo Williams averaged 17.2pts/6.4asts/38.5% from 3. He even shot 48% from 2. He doesn't need LeBron to be a good player.

Not one of your better posts.

 

[BGrantFan]

Yeah, I did. Too bad that player is in Miami. We sure don't have anyone like that in Portland to make Mo Williams an all-star.

And gee, maybe that's why our team 3FG% is down. The Brandon Roy we have now isn't the same player he was two years ago. He doesn't command nearly the same defensive attention he did two years ago, and he drives the lane a lot less to create open looks for his teammates. Roy's APG and AST% have both completely fallen off a cliff. He is not, and never will be again, the same player he was.

So, without a legitmate superstar to ceate open looks for him, is Mo Williams and his crappy shooting and ballhogging USG% really the answer to our problems? Sure doesn't seem like it, does it?

BNM

Seems like a better fit than Miller, IMO. Also, the team's 3-pt shooting is down in part because the PG can't shoot from outside.

Mo Williams' has a 29% 3-pt. sample over 16 games compared to 39%, 44%, and 43% over the past 3 seasons, and you're using the smaller data set. Weren't you the one berating me about the misuse of statistics? Plus, Mo shot 39% in Milwaukee without LeBrown.

Crappy shooter? Give me a fucking break.

 

[RoyToy]

If Brandon Roy thinks Steve Blake is a better fit than Miller than I know he would think Williams is as well. It's not that hard to figure out.

 

[BGrantFan]

With his 28.7 USG% Really? And Miller with his 21.1 USG% is a ballhog?

BNM

He was a 22 prior to this year and a 22.8 for his career. You do realize that Mo Williams has played more than 16 games in the NBA, right? You seem stuck on his stats from this year. Comparatively, Miller was a 23.8 last year.

 

[BGrantFan]

I would also prefer if we had players better than Miller so that Miller didn't have the highest PER on the team. But trading Miller for somebody that will have a lower PER, and thus making somebody else on the Blazers have the highest PER seems like a pretty lousy reason to trade Miller.

I wouldn't trade anyone based solely on PER. Not sure where you're coming from here.

 

[MickZagger]

You posting to me about how bad he sucks 15 times a day?

When have I said he "sucks"?

He's just not good.

 

[MickZagger]

He was a 22 prior to this year and a 22.8 for his career. You do realize that Mo Williams has played more than 16 games in the NBA, right? You seem stuck on his stats from this year. Comparatively, Miller was a 23.8 last year.

LoL. One of the more funny things I've read on here in awhile. Almost worthy of a little place in my signature.

 

[BGrantFan]

When have I said he "sucks"?

He's just not good.

Like I said. Change your message.

 

[RR7]

bump?

 

[oldmangrouch]

Roy: 9 points, 2 boards, 3 assists.
Miller: 22 points, 7 boards, 8 assists.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Roy was barely a role player tonight. I honestly didn't even notice him 90% of the time.

 

[PapaG]

Miller got the wake-up call.

Plus, a great coaching decision by Nate to never double-team Howard. Zan, Jayna, and Gleek were lost tonight without open looks.

 

[Minstrel]

Miller got the wake-up call.

His team leading PER suggests he was awake the whole season.

 

[Boob-No-More]

...

Oops!

Hey BGrantFan, you accidently logged in using your old screen name.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

His team leading PER suggests he was awake the whole season.

Not to PapaG/BGrantFan.

BNM

 

[PapaG]

Oops!

Hey BGrantFan, you accidently logged in using your old screen name.

BNM

Yes ... "accidently".