Thorn Won’t Reach to Fill Needs

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetsDaily)</div><div class='quotemain'>The Nets have needs at several positions, writes Matt Kamalsky in Draft Express’ review of team needs, but don’t expect Rod Thorn to reach down in the draft just for instant gratification. Instead, the team is likely to go for the best available at each spot. ”If the Nets don’t like the big men that are on the board” at #10, expect them to go small and find a big man later, Kamalsky argues.</div>

NBA Team Needs: Atlantic Division - Matt Kamalsky - Draft Express

I hope he sticks with this, and actually does select the BPA. Although, lately, we've had a good track record picking for needs...even tho you could say they were BPA at the time, as well.

 

[ghoti]

I agree. Great picks like Antoine Wright and Marcus Williams not only were the best players available but they really filled a need.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jun 15 2008, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree. Great picks like Antoine Wright and Marcus Williams not only were the best players available but they really filled a need.</div>

Don't forget Mile Ilic and Zoran Plananic!

 

[User01]

we should just keep picking first round bigs. thats all that it seems we can do.

 

[Jizzy]

i dont like how our frontcourt is shaping up. boone, sean, swift, diop, draft pick... all one dimensional at this point. no real big with any offensive skill

 

[Dark Defender]

Diop will not be a Net next season.

Swift is a moot point, he is not in the Nets plans past next year.

Boone, Sean and Krstic will be the key bigs to watch.

 

[Belarus]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jun 15 2008, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i dont like how our frontcourt is shaping up. boone, sean, swift, diop, draft pick... all one dimensional at this point. no real big with any offensive skill</div>
Depends on what you call "offensive skill". Our bigs aren't Elton Brands or Kevin Garnetts, but how many of them in the league? Boone is a very good around the basket player and succeeds in put-backs and lay-ups, Krstic is a different story, good shooter and that's it. If only we could combine them in some kind of Bookic...

 

[Universe]

I'm tired of picking up bigs that can never be a star player. I know not every pick is going to be amazing but how many bigs are we going to roll with.

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jun 15 2008, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i dont like how our frontcourt is shaping up. boone, sean, swift, diop, draft pick... all one dimensional at this point. no real big with any offensive skill</div>

Why do you persist in denigrating Boone? He is better than anyone expected when the nets drafted him. In the past ten years, how many bigs drafted in the 20s have become relaible contributors? How many players drafted after him in 2006 have contributed more thus far in their careers? Here are the TWENTY FIVE players drafted immediately after Boone (I've marked the bigs):

Kyle Lowry
Shannon Brown
Jordan Farmar
Sergio Rodriguez
Maurice Ager
Mardy Collins
Joel Freeland (PF)
James White
Steve Novak
Solomon Jones (PF)
Paul Davis (PF)
PJ Tucker
Craig Smith (PF)
Bobby Jones
Kosta Perovic ©
David Noel
Denham Brown
James Augustine (PF)
Daniel Gibson
Marcus Vinicius
Lior Eliyahu
Alexander Johnson (PF)
Dee Brown
Paul Millsap
Vladimir Veremeenko

Here are the 14 players selected immediately BEFORE Boone:
Patrick O'Bryant ©
Saer Sene ©
JJ Redick
Hilton Armstrong ©
Thabo Sefolosha
Ronnie Brewer
Cedric Simmons (PF)
Rodney Carney
Shawne Williams
Oleksei Pecherov (PF)
Quincy Douby
Renaldo Balkman
Rajon Rondon
Marcus Williams

OK, including Boone I just list 40 players . . . how many would you rather have, in retrospect?

And it is more than just being better than the rest of his draft class--Boone has some legit skill around the basket.

 

[Kid Chocolate]

Vladimir not Valeri!

 

[Dumpy]

That's what I wrote!

 

[Kid Chocolate]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 15 2008, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's what I wrote!</div>

Valeri sounds sexier.

 

[Dumpy]

it works for val kilmer. if my kids were boys, i wanted to name them valeri or dmitri, but Mrs. Dumpy kind of objected. I think they are both cool names.

 

[danxcr]

dmitri is german rite? or russian? well i have a baby on the way and if its a boy its jude tyler ^^ if a girl its dani-madison

 

[Kid Chocolate]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 15 2008, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>it works for val kilmer. if my kids were boys, i wanted to name them valeri or dmitri, but Mrs. Dumpy kind of objected. I think they are both cool names.</div>

dmitri is badass.

i think val kilmer is just val though, it's not shortened.

 

[Boomdog]

Honestly Boone has been pretty good considering where he was picked. Most bigs that aren't in the lottery bust and those who turn into great players are few and far between. Is Boone our answer, probably not, but he is a great player to have coming off your bench.

 

[Belarus]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jun 15 2008, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>dmitri is german rite? or russian? well i have a baby on the way and if its a boy its jude tyler ^^ if a girl its dani-madison</div>
Russian. in Russia it's pronounced as Dmitriy.

 

[danxcr]

ahhh ok ok

remember playin ice hockey when i was younger and i recalled a kid with that name, for got if he was russian or german

thanks

 

[Dumpy]

I love the way they just roll off the tongue.

 

[ghoti]

Thorn Won't <strike>Reach to</strike> Fill Needs

 

[Jizzy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 15 2008, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jun 15 2008, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i dont like how our frontcourt is shaping up. boone, sean, swift, diop, draft pick... all one dimensional at this point. no real big with any offensive skill</div>

Why do you persist in denigrating Boone? He is better than anyone expected when the nets drafted him. In the past ten years, how many bigs drafted in the 20s have become relaible contributors? How many players drafted after him in 2006 have contributed more thus far in their careers? Here are the TWENTY FIVE players drafted immediately after Boone (I've marked the bigs):

Kyle Lowry
Shannon Brown
Jordan Farmar
Sergio Rodriguez
Maurice Ager
Mardy Collins
Joel Freeland (PF)
James White
Steve Novak
Solomon Jones (PF)
Paul Davis (PF)
PJ Tucker
Craig Smith (PF)
Bobby Jones
Kosta Perovic ©
David Noel
Denham Brown
James Augustine (PF)
Daniel Gibson
Marcus Vinicius
Lior Eliyahu
Alexander Johnson (PF)
Dee Brown
Paul Millsap
Vladimir Veremeenko

Here are the 14 players selected immediately BEFORE Boone:
Patrick O'Bryant ©
Saer Sene ©
JJ Redick
Hilton Armstrong ©
Thabo Sefolosha
Ronnie Brewer
Cedric Simmons (PF)
Rodney Carney
Shawne Williams
Oleksei Pecherov (PF)
Quincy Douby
Renaldo Balkman
Rajon Rondon
Marcus Williams

OK, including Boone I just list 40 players . . . how many would you rather have, in retrospect?

And it is more than just being better than the rest of his draft class--Boone has some legit skill around the basket.
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i know boone has done better then expected and he certainly is servicable but he's filled out his potential, IMO. he's basically a clean up guy who will look great next to a low post threat. i was impressed with boone somewhat but not to the extent of some. he had his games where he cleaned up the mess and had 20 pts but he was often soft in the paint and still got outmuscled very often. hopefully he can add some serious muscle.

point being, our bigs can only score one way, pick and roll. we need a big we can throw the ball into and he can create, (Love), otherwise we're stuck with the same crappy offense

 

[Claud]

What about Roy Hibbert? He can post up and score.

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Jun 16 2008, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What about Roy Hibbert? He can post up and score.</div>

there is some support for Hibbert in one of the other threads. I guess one questino is whether he is too troll-like for an up=tempo offense.

 

[Kid Chocolate]

I think Hibbert will be a solid 20mpg or so guy.

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jun 16 2008, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i know boone has done better then expected and he certainly is servicable but he's filled out his potential, IMO. he's basically a clean up guy who will look great next to a low post threat. i was impressed with boone somewhat but not to the extent of some. he had his games where he cleaned up the mess and had 20 pts but he was often soft in the paint and still got outmuscled very often. hopefully he can add some serious muscle.

point being, our bigs can only score one way, pick and roll. we need a big we can throw the ball into and he can create, (Love), otherwise we're stuck with the same crappy offense</div>

He's certainly no star, but he has a knack for scoring from underneath the basket. He is also a terrific offensive rebounder, which is very important when you have a bunch of jumpshooters on the team. One thing that is frustrating is that when he is beat on defense, or finds himself out of postion, he just seems to give up instead of trying to do something productive until the play is completely over. There have been references to the fact that he is somewhat of a perfectionist and is hard on himself--you can actually read his facial expressions and see him cursing at himself inside his head while the ball is still in play. I think that is the most important thing for him to work on. He can be a plus post defender, but he is just an absolute liability when that happens, which is far too often.

He's a good kid, though. He'll be allright. He was probably miscast as a starter. But as a 20-minute a night reserve, he would be a positive contributor. He's not one of the Nets' problems.

 

[danxcr]

ya boone isnt the problem.. its our BENCH... and our offensive post game and our open jump shooters who cant make it when they are O P E N.

it was hard to watch boki, marcus, or even hassell or krstic get all these great looks... and still plank their shots :/