Those Darn Obstructionist Republicans!

[BrianFromWA]

Of course it was being blocked. Eleven separate bills were passed by the House that funded the entire government, except funding and/or including a delay for PPACA. It couldn't be implemented--hence "being blocked".

Why would it? It wouldn't, because "the Tea Party lost". Should it? I, at least, think so.

 

[barfo]

Of course it was being blocked. Eleven separate bills were passed by the House that funded the entire government, except funding and/or including a delay for PPACA. It couldn't be implemented--hence "being blocked".

I think you wrong about that. First, what the House passes is often pretty irrelevant - note the 40-odd votes to kill Obamacare that had no effect whatsoever, and also those 11 bills that you mention that went straight into the Senate trash can. Secondly, funding for Obamacare was largely unaffected during the shutdown. Were your submarine activities "being blocked" during the shutdown? Just like your part of the government, Obamacare kept going during the shutdown.

barfo

 

[Eastoff]

I think you wrong about that. First, what the House passes is often pretty irrelevant - note the 40-odd votes to kill Obamacare that had no effect whatsoever, and also those 11 bills that you mention that went straight into the Senate trash can. Secondly, funding for Obamacare was largely unaffected during the shutdown. Were your submarine activities "being blocked" during the shutdown? Just like your part of the government, Obamacare kept going during the shutdown.

barfo

Yes, the money was already given to roll out ACA.

 

[Eastoff]

A fix my friend, a fix. No authority to barrow, means live within our means.
It is possible, it has been done.

http://www.davemanuel.com/history-of-deficits-and-surpluses-in-the-united-states.php

I just wanted to share this information. Feel free to interpret as you will. =]

 

[blazerboy30]

The world economy gets a big shake up, and china and Japan start pulling their money?

Yeah right.

Just like when the US had it's credit score downgraded last time and treasury yields went down (treasury prices went up)? People and countries poured money INTO the US when the US threatened the global economy.

 

[blazerboy30]

Not after already spending the money. That's just being a deadbeat.

barfo

Those bills could have been paid even if we hadn't raised the debt ceiling.

 

[barfo]

Those bills could have been paid even if we hadn't raised the debt ceiling.

Yes, if one chooses to pay only certain bills, those bills get paid. The bills one chooses not to pay don't get paid. It's amazing.

The trouble is, you don't get to choose which bills get paid. And neither do I.

barfo

 

[Eastoff]

Yeah right.

Just like when the US had it's credit score downgraded last time and treasury yields went down (treasury prices went up)? People and countries poured money INTO the US when the US threatened the global economy.

That is very interesting, I had not heard this before. Just curious what you think about this situation and the money lost from the shutdown?

 

[blazerboy30]

Yes, if one chooses to pay only certain bills, those bills get paid. The bills one chooses not to pay don't get paid. It's amazing.

The trouble is, you don't get to choose which bills get paid. And neither do I.

barfo

This is such a strawman, and the reason why the average idiot American thinks like you do.

 

[blazerboy30]

That is very interesting, I had not heard this before. Just curious what you think about this situation and the money lost from the shutdown?

I think this is all political grandstanding on both sides and the media blowing things out of proportion.

What money "lost from the shutdown"?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Anyone who votes democrat or republican is part of the problem, glass houses and whatnot

 

[barfo]

This is such a strawman, and the reason why the average idiot American thinks like you do.

Heh. Go ahead and make your point, if you actually have one.

barfo

 

[blazerboy30]

Heh. Go ahead and make your point, if you actually have one.

barfo

There is a difference between bills for things you already spent money on, and things that you plan to spend money on. We could have paid the bills of things we already spent money on.

This is like you saying you can't pay your bills, even though you can pay your mortgage, just but can't buy the new TV you wanted next month.

 

[barfo]

There is a difference between bills for things you already spent money on, and things that you plan to spend money on. We could have paid the bills of things we already spent money on.

This is like you saying you can't pay your bills, even though you can pay your mortgage, just but can't buy the new TV you wanted next month.

Your analogy is flawed. It would more apt to say that I've signed a binding contract to buy that new TV next month. So maybe I haven't literally spent that money yet, but I have an obligation to spend it that doesn't go away if I can't get a increase in my credit limit.

barfo

 

[blazerboy30]

Your analogy is flawed. It would more apt to say that I've signed a binding contract to buy that new TV next month. So maybe I haven't literally spent that money yet, but I have an obligation to spend it that doesn't go away if I can't get a increase in my credit limit.

barfo

False. That example falls under the "home mortgage" heading.

 

[barfo]

False. That example falls under the "home mortgage" heading.

Not sure what you mean about heading, but how does that make it false?

barfo

 

[blazerboy30]

Your example of "I've signed a binding contract to buy that new TV next month" is the same as my example of being able to pay your mortgage. Those are the bills we can pay.

 

[barfo]

What money "lost from the shutdown"?

In case you really don't know, the shutdown cost the government money. Spending didn't decrease, but revenue did. E.g., park rangers got paid to sit at home instead of collecting user fees.

It also cost the economy at large an estimated $24 billion.

barfo

 

[barfo]

Your example of "I've signed a binding contract to buy that new TV next month" is the same as my example of being able to pay your mortgage. Those are the bills we can pay.

Yes it is. And the reason it is, that's the only kind of bills that the government has. The government doesn't have any spur-of-the-moment impulse purchases. So if your argument is that we should only pay the mortgages, you are just saying let's pay everything.

barfo

 

[blazerboy30]

Yes it is. And the reason it is, that's the only kind of bills that the government has. The government doesn't have any spur-of-the-moment impulse purchases. So if your argument is that we should only pay the mortgages, you are just saying let's pay everything.

barfo

And that is what I'm saying is false.

 

[blazerboy30]

In case you really don't know, the shutdown cost the government money. Spending didn't decrease, but revenue did. E.g., park rangers got paid to sit at home instead of collecting user fees.

It also cost the economy at large an estimated $24 billion.

barfo

Yes, I heard that made up story from the media. It's a red herring and preposterous.

 

[barfo]

And that is what I'm saying is false.

Give me an example of what a 'TV' is, then. What bills aren't we obligated to pay?

barfo

 

[blazerboy30]

Give me an example of what a 'TV' is, then. What bills aren't we obligated to pay?

barfo

Park Ranger wages.

 

[barfo]

Park Ranger wages.

Why do you think paying park rangers is optional?

barfo

 

[blazerboy30]

Why do you think paying park rangers is optional?

barfo

You answered you own question. You just posted that they were getting paid to sit around with the parks closed.

 

[barfo]

You answered you own question. You just posted that they were getting paid to sit around with the parks closed.

No, that doesn't answer my question. The fact that we pay them does not in any way suggest that we do not have to pay them.

barfo

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Lol

 

[SlyPokerDog]

If we sold California to the Chinese we could pay off our national debt.

 

[Denny Crane]

Lol

It's good having barfo back!

 

[blazerboy30]

No, that doesn't answer my question. The fact that we pay them does not in any way suggest that we do not have to pay them.

barfo

We don't have to pay park rangers today, for work they might do next week.