OT Three Hotels Approaching Foreclosure in the Heart of Portland Offer a Warning to City Leaders

[SlyPokerDog]

Anyway, back to the original topic of the thread/article.

Hotels in Portland.

That convention center hotel is going to crash and burn so hard. I give it 3 more years top.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Except the analogy isn't comparing cars to homeless people--it's comparing the car to the housing first program. It's actually a decent analogy if you don't mangle it.

how so? Do the homeless not need any help other than a maintained shelter? I would very much disagree with that. I dont see how the homeless can not be part of the equation.

 

[Chris Craig]

how so? Do the homeless not need any help other than a maintained shelter? I would very much disagree with that. I dont see how the homeless can not be part of the equation.

It's all maintenance. Maintaining shelter, mental health, hunger, etc.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

It's all maintenance. Maintaining shelter, mental health, hunger, etc.

I agree. Its about the priority list and what should come first. Some of the links i posted showed that without putting mental health before the shelter, it isn't going so well over the long run.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Lol. Because not using the numbers has been working so well...

There was a homeless problem in SLC pre 2005 when a 10 year housing first plan was started. The homeless problem was solved (not reduced to zero, but not a community level problem. There is no disputing this) until after 2015 when the program ended.

There was no homeless problem in SLC between 2005 and 2015.

The program knows how much it spent and how many people were in the program.

In 2015, that cost had averaged out to about $8k per person.

You may not want to believe it, but the reality matches the numbers.

Love ya Phats.

 

[Chris Craig]

I agree. Its about the priority list and what should come first. Some of the links i posted showed that without putting mental health before the shelter, it isn't going so well over the long run.

It needs to be simultaneously done. You shelter those who willingly want help and or are more able to accept help. The homeless who are mentally ill likely don't have the capacity to choose one way or the other - some do but not many - we need to get them back in hospitals and stable before housing them. It needs to be a multi pronged endeavor. We can do one while doing the other. In fact to solve homelessness here, we must.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

It needs to be simultaneously done. You shelter those who willingly want help and or are more able to accept help. The homeless who are mentally ill likely don't have the capacity to choose one way or the other - some do but not many - we need to get them back in hospitals and stable before housing them. It needs to be a multi pronged endeavor. We can do one while doing the other. In fact to solve homelessness here, we must.

I agree. Its just that most housing first projects I've looked into do not provide sobriety or mental help. And that is where most of these articles show housing first isn't the perfect answer some claim until we address these tow major issues preventing most homeless from becoming productive members of society.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I agree. Its just that most housing first projects I've looked into do not provide sobriety or mental help. And that is where most of these articles show housing first isn't the perfect answer some claim until we address these tow major issues preventing most homeless from becoming productive members of society.

The fact is that there is not and will never be a single solution to homelessness. I don't think PGR is claiming that "housing first" solves everything all by itself. There's a reason it's not called "housing only".

 

[Phatguysrule]

I agree. Its just that most housing first projects I've looked into do not provide sobriety or mental help.

Then you haven't looked into housing first projects.

You can't do housing first without sobriety or mental help.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

The fact is that there is not and will never be a single solution to homelessness. I don't think PGR is claiming that "housing first" solves everything all by itself. There's a reason it's not called "housing only".

Then you haven't looked into housing first projects.

You can't do housing first without sobriety or mental help.

I posted a link to the slc housing first that claimed this happened.
housing first sounds like just that. housing first. Its not housing and mental help first.
Love ya phats.

 

[Phatguysrule]

The fact is that there is not and will never be a single solution to homelessness. I don't think PGR is claiming that "housing first" solves everything all by itself. There's a reason it's not called "housing only".

Thank you. I've gone out of my way to specifically point that out on multiple occasions.

Nobody has ever said suggested drug or mental care would be reduced. In fact, it should be expanded.

Housing first helps do all of this far more efficiently.

 

[Phatguysrule]

You both have been going back and forth for a bit on it. I don't see either you conceding your points. It's going to be pages and pages of this thread, of just you two going at it and getting nowhere.

Yeah, fighting misinformation has costs.

We've established that SLC had a homeless problem before housing first started, no homeless problem during housing first, and a homeless problem after housing first ended. This isn't disputed in any of those links. Homelessness was reduced by 91%.

We've established HUD has a cost of homelessness per homeless person per year in 2012 of around $40k
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...cretary-says-homeless-person-costs-taxpayers/

The price of housing first was around $8k per person at the time.

 

[Chris Craig]

I agree. Its just that most housing first projects I've looked into do not provide sobriety or mental help. And that is where most of these articles show housing first isn't the perfect answer some claim until we address these tow major issues preventing most homeless from becoming productive members of society.

I haven't really looked into that specific project. I know alot of resources like that help you get housing and also help you get in for medical and other recourses.

That's why we need a multi pronged process. All homeless people don't have mental disabilities or drug issues. They can be housed immediately. Open live-in rehabs and mental hospitals for the rest prior to housing.

Provide other resources such as medical insurance, food, etc for those houses. Provide services to help them find work. There have been programs to help people with records get work...we can do more like that.

The hardest thing is it needs to all be centralized and well oiled to work. We can't have these people waiting months for services or they will end up back on the street. We need to work quickly and diligently to get them healthy and back into the community as productive members. It can be done.