Tick Tock Tick Tock - Rich Cho

[PapaG]

He's having his usual excellent season, so it isn't as if he's in decline.

He's having his usual "barely get a low seed in the playoffs if we're lucky" season. Not that it is completely Miller's fault, but it's a pattern at this point. Certainly can't be called causation, but it is definitely correlation. After watching him flail on defense and brick shots for over a year now, I think the book can be closed on Miller being the starting PG on an NBA championship team. At least as the starting PG making over the MLE.

 

[Minstrel]

You're risking that he'd still be playing at the level he is right now.

I don't understand this sentence. Do you mean "You're hoping that he'd still be playing at the level he is right now?" Yes, that would be the hope. He might not, but even if he declines, he might still average. In any case, a one year deal isn't much of a risk.

And who knows what the new CBA looks like and how that could change everything.

It could. That's beyond my scope, though. Hopefully the Blazers have some people plugged in who have some idea, by June, where things are headed.

 

[Minstrel]

He's having his usual "barely get a low seed in the playoffs if we're lucky" season.

Well, as you know, I don't tend to evaluate individual players by how the team is doing. Wins and losses are team accomplishments and not within the control of any single player, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[RoyToy]

I don't understand this sentence. Do you mean "You're hoping that he'd still be playing at the level he is right now?" Yes, that would be the hope. He might not, but even if he declines, he might still average. In any case, a one year deal isn't much of a risk.



It could. That's beyond my scope, though. Hopefully the Blazers have some people plugged in who have some idea, by June, where things are headed.

In the end with the state this team is in doesn't it just seem silly to take that kind of risk? I'd make sure to trade him this season but that's jmo.

 

[craigehlo]

sorry, my sarcasm wasn't obvious enough. :/

Sorry, I missed it. Sadly, many of the posters around actually sound like that.

 

[Minstrel]

In the end with the state this team is in doesn't it just seem silly to take that kind of risk?

What risk? My opinion is a one year deal is a minimal risk.

 

[RoyToy]

What risk? My opinion is a one year deal is a minimal risk.

Because you can't guarantee how a 36-year-old Andre Miller will look and how the CBA will look as well. Both could hurt his value.

With his numbers being great right now and the team looking like it needs to rebuild right now looks like the best time to trade him. No point in risking it as his value won't get any higher.

 

[PapaG]

What risk? My opinion is a one year deal is a minimal risk.

I will assume that you are assuming that no deals to get younger and better exist in relation to trading Miller. I will assume that I assume that holding on to Miller as he approaches age 35 means a great GM should be able to find a trading partner for him that makes sense for both teams.

 

[Minstrel]

Because you can't guarantee how a 36-year-old Andre Miller will look and how the CBA will look as well. Both could hurt his value.

With his numbers being great right now and the team looking like it needs to rebuild right now looks like the best time to trade him. No point in risking it as his value won't get any higher.

I think you're misunderstanding my position. As I said earlier, if the team can trade Miller for something good...go for it. What I was questioning was the idea that the team won't pick up his option if he's not traded. If he's not traded, the team should definitely pick up the option rather than having him become a free agent. I'm not advocating turning down a good offer for Miller in order to bring him back next year.

 

[Minstrel]

I will assume that you are assuming that no deals to get younger and better exist in relation to trading Miller.

I'm not assuming that. I was simply disagreeing with your contention that they wouldn't pick up his option if he were still here at the end of the season. For a re-stating of my position, see my post above to RoyToy.

 

[MickZagger]

The injury exception is valid until 12/30. No matter how we all Blazer fans differ on who is to blame for this season, it is obvious (or should be) to us all that this team is going nowhere fast as it is constructed right now.

Trading Bayless has obviously been a disaster, since now that Roy is hurt, there is basically no one that can create a good shot for himself, but I'll give that a pass since Rich was so new to the job.

So, Rich ... how about you start banging the phones, feed the computers those advanced statistics, and make a deal utilizing some favorable expiring contracts (Miller/Przy) in one deal, and the injury exception (Carl Landry?) in another deal.

I got bashed for bringing up how we could acquire Iguodala, but then you want us to get Landry who has a 12.8 PER?

okie dokie artichokie

 

[RoyToy]

I think you're misunderstanding my position. As I said earlier, if the team can trade Miller for something good...go for it. What I was questioning was the idea that the team won't pick up his option if he's not traded. If he's not traded, the team should definitely pick up the option rather than having him become a free agent. I'm not advocating turning down a good offer for Miller in order to bring him back next year.

I'd still not pick up the option but that's just me. That said, he needs to be traded this season.

 

[PapaG]

I got bashed for bringing up how we could acquire Iguodala, but then you want us to get Landry who has a 12.8 PER?

okie dokie artichokie

Injury exception for a Landry isn't the same as picking up Iggy's $13 million contract in a trade. Although perhaps Philly would be interested if Brand was involved in exchange for Miller/Przy/Oden.

 

[MickZagger]

Injury exception for a Landry isn't the same as picking up Iggy's $13 million contract in a trade. Although perhaps Philly would be interested if Brand was involved in exchange for Miller/Przy/Oden.

I'd be down for that trade.

Then we can start Brand and his 19.9 PER over Aldridge.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

MIXUM, you do know that we can get players back in a trade, right? Przybilla can be traded if we get a big back. Miller can be traded if we get a PG back. It's really not a difficult concept.

 

[PapaG]

I'd be down for that trade.

Then we can start Brand and his 19.9 PER over Aldridge.

Brand/Iggy isn't a bad deal, but I was off on the numbers. I forgot to add LMA, and I will keep Oden.

Brand/Iggy for Miller/Przy/LMA/#1 pick.

PG - Roy/????
SG- Iggy
SF - Matthews
PF - Brand
C - Camby

That's not bad, is it?

 

[MickZagger]

Brand/Iggy isn't a bad deal, but I was off on the numbers. I forgot to add LMA, and I will keep Oden.

Brand/Iggy for Miller/Przy/LMA/#1 pick.

PG - Roy/????
SG- Iggy
SF - Matthews
PF - Brand
C - Camby

That's not bad, is it?

I'd do that in a second. But I'd be hesitant to give up any picks. Roy would have to know his role as well.

 

[RR7]

Here's a probably very unrealistic three way trade with NY and Denver I came up with the other day.

Essentially, a deal of Joel, Rudy, Armon for Chris Anderson, Al Harrington, Anthony Randolph and Azuibuike

new depth chart of

Miller/Mills
Roy/Matthews/Azuibuke
Batum/Matthews/Harrington
Aldridge/Harrington/Randolph
Camby/Anderson/Randolph

Harrington adds scoring to the bench, Anderson more shot blocking, Randolph... potential?

NY trades Gallinari, Curry, Azuibuke, Shawne Williams, and Randolph
Gets Carmelo, Rudy, Armon, JR Smith

Denver adds nothing of note outside Gallinari for Carmelo, but also moves all long term deals(Balkman to us, who we cut, Anderson and Harrington, and drops below the LT.

We take on a decent amount of salary. I'd probably look to either trade Azuibuike's expiring for a backup PG like a Ridnour or Sessions possibly. Or, trade Randolph for a young potential PG.

 

[Minstrel]

Here's a probably very unrealistic three way trade with NY and Denver I came up with the other day.

Essentially, a deal of Joel, Rudy, Armon for Chris Anderson, Al Harrington, Anthony Randolph and Azuibuike

new depth chart of

Miller/Mills
Roy/Matthews/Azuibuke
Batum/Matthews/Harrington
Aldridge/Harrington/Randolph
Camby/Anderson/Randolph

Harrington adds scoring to the bench, Anderson more shot blocking, Randolph... potential?

NY trades Gallinari, Curry, Azuibuke, Shawne Williams, and Randolph
Gets Carmelo, Rudy, Armon, JR Smith

Denver adds nothing of note outside Gallinari for Carmelo, but also moves all long term deals(Balkman to us, who we cut, Anderson and Harrington, and drops below the LT.

We take on a decent amount of salary. I'd probably look to either trade Azuibuike's expiring for a backup PG like a Ridnour or Sessions possibly. Or, trade Randolph for a young potential PG.

If Denver is basically looking to use Anthony as a chance to press the reset button, I like the deal. I suspect, though, that Denver wants to get at least one impressive young player/prospect back.

 

[RR7]

Gallinari?

 

[VanillaGorilla]

I hate Anderson, but that's a damn good trade for us.

 

[RR7]

If Denver is basically looking to use Anthony as a chance to press the reset button, I like the deal. I suspect, though, that Denver wants to get at least one impressive young player/prospect back.

It seems they primarily have stated wanting to get under the LT. Who knows what NY would actually trade, knowing they essentially have Denver by the balls,w ith Carmelo basically saying he wants to go there. But, they get a decent return for basically Gallinari and Randolph, maybe Toney Douglas, can't remember how I actually got the deal to work. It was ugly working it out, though. Randolph and Azuibuike initially go to denver, and then we use our exceptions to take them off of their hands. If they were able to land Gallinari, and remove every contract they have that is even slightly big(Anderson, Harrington) I almost think they'd have to do it. Why not go full reset, and get prospects for Billups, and maybe Nene while you can.

 

[OddEnormous]

I'd rather trade him, stink it up and get a good top 10 pick to get a legit prospect to build to the future with.

THIS.

Being a middling team is just extending the inevitable downward spiral to the cellar by years.

Get bad fast.

(That being said we still have the same clowns running the joint.)

I still can't fucking believe the best young team in the NBA fired their GM to hire the assistant from the team who was trying to chase us down.

Fucking L O L Z

 

[MickZagger]

The more I think back about Pritchard's time in Portland the more I think it was a failure. He showed he was incompetent at trades outside of the Camby trade and that he was unwilling to trade "his guys".

What he was supposedly good at was drafting. So he took chances on guys with pre-existing injuries (Oden, Roy), fell in love with soft PF's (Aldridge and Frye) and stashed multiple picks overseas (Freeland, Claver, Kopennen) that we could of used on proven college guys (Millsap, Blair).

To make matters worse, he signs a player who is already starting to break down to a max extension. Bangs the fugliest cheerleader on staff, drafts Luke Babbitt, drafts another guy with injured knees (E. Williams), sells his villa style house in Lake Oswego to a new Blazer and gets the fuck out of town ASAP.

Maybe Warkentein was right?

I do know I'm going to let the Cho era breathe a little bit before I start piling on him. Shit, looking at our past GM, I might not judge him until Cho long gone.

 

[PapaG]

MEMPHIS – General manager Rich Cho said last week that he needs to see the Trail Blazers play more games before deciding a course of action for this franchise.

After Monday's painful 86-73 loss at Memphis, one wonders what more the first-year executive needs to see before the wheels of change are put in motion.

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2010/12/memphis_86_portland_73_blazers.html

Really? How many games did he need to see before he dumped Bayless for a future pick, leaving the bench completely devoid of a player who can create his own shot?

Thus far, Cho's primary contributions to this team are making the bench weaker and perhaps saving a few bucks on lunches.

 

[hasoos]

who is gonna play pg?

Whoever we draft next year. Stink it up. Shoot for Irvin or Walker. One of them will be available.

 

[PapaG]

Whoever we draft next year. Stink it up. Shoot for Irvin or Walker. One of them will be available.

May as well at this point. This team is going nowhere and will be lucky to make the playoffs. Could another long playoff drought be in our future as fans?

 

[MIXUM]

thats why you retool instead of rebuild

 

[hasoos]

thats why you retool instead of rebuild

Here is my problem with that. If you are buying into that then you are buying into the thought that some of the pieces here are capable of getting the Blazers to another level of play eventually if surrounded by the right players. In order for you to say that you have to have an idea of which player you think are suitable. Are you saying you haven't given up on Roy to play at the level he did before? Or are you saying build around Miller, who has never taken a team past the first round. Ever. Are you talking about Wesley? I see a lot of generalities posted by you, but you have posted no answers on how you would get there from here. Which players would you move, which would you build around?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Here is my problem with that. If you are buying into that then you are buying into the thought that some of the pieces here are capable of getting the Blazers to another level of play eventually if surrounded by the right players. In order for you to say that you have to have an idea of which player you think are suitable. Are you saying you haven't given up on Roy to play at the level he did before? Or are you saying build around Miller, who has never taken a team past the first round. Ever. Are you talking about Wesley? I see a lot of generalities posted by you, but you have posted no answers on how you would get there from here. Which players would you move, which would you build around?

With the right coach, there are several pieces here that could help get us to the next level. Aldridge is a really soild role player, Batum is also a nice role player. Matthews is a guy that, depending on what we brought in, could either start or come off the bench as a really nice role guy.