Time to Assess Where the Blazers Are at Going into 2011-12

[PapaG]

Yes, I said they got worse in the present. They did that by downgrading at a position. Fairly straightforward concept to understand.



Thanks. I have found life is easier when one is logical, yes.



Where did proof come into the question? I gave my opinion that they downgraded the present by weakening one position. That's not the same, either by logic or common sense, as saying they'll be a worse team next year than they were last year. What it means is that they'll be a worse team than they would have been if they hadn't made that move.

There's more than one moving part in this system.



I'm sorry, I literally couldn't understand any of this. Was it in English?

I, I, I, I

I'm sure I'll be accused of making this thread about me, though.

I do notice you still won't budge off of your vague parameters of how the team is "worse".

It's simple. Will the team win more games than last year?

Why won't you answer that simple question, since W/L is the easiest way to measure success in the NBA?

 

[barfo]

Sorry, I don't speak whatever street slang that is.

Well, you should. How can you claim to be 55 years old and white but not speak the lingo?

barfo

 

[PapaG]

Thanks. I have found life is easier when one is logical, yes.

To you, "logical" appears to mean making vague statements.

To me, "logical" means making a decision, and standing by it.

 

[maxiep]

So, you have the Blazers at less than 48 wins next season?

I do. Then again, I think the entire 2011-12 season will be less than 48 games.

 

[barfo]

To me, "logical" means making a decision, and standing by it.

Apparently sarcasm isn't the only word you don't know the definition of.

barfo

 

[Minstrel]

I, I, I, I

I'm sure I'll be accused of making this thread about me, though.

I used the word "I" in explaining what I think? That's kinda weird...almost creepy.

I do notice you still won't budge off of your vague parameters of how the team is "worse".

No, I won't budge off my vague parameters of "The team is worse in the present because they downgraded at one of the positions on their team."

It's simple.

You know, I really thought so. I'm beginning to wonder, now, though.

Will the team win more games than last year?

I don't know. How would I know?

Why won't you answer that simple question, since W/L is the easiest way to measure success in the NBA?

I just did. I'm not sure what it has to do with what I said though.

 

[PapaG]

I do. Then again, I think the entire 2011-12 season will be less than 48 games.

Repped!

 

[oldmangrouch]

Portland downgraded their present without significantly upgrading their future.

Bottom line.

 

[PapaG]

I used the word "I" in explaining what I think? That's kinda weird...almost creepy.



No, I won't budge off my vague parameters of "The team is worse in the present because they downgraded at one of the positions on their team."



You know, I really thought so. I'm beginning to wonder, now, though.



I don't know.



I just did. I'm not sure what it has to do with what I said though.

Five "I" references in a row in your parsed and separated response. None of which matter at all to me, since you can't even make a simple prediction to back up your opinion. That's what I'd expect, though. At least you didn't throw some "potentially" references in there.

See you soon!

 

[Minstrel]

To me, "logical" means making a decision, and standing by it.

That's the weirdest definition of "logical" I've ever seen, no lie. Thanks for your take on the word, though.

But how do you define "decisive" then? As a synonym for "logical" or does it have a creative definition in your dictionary, too?

 

[Minstrel]

Five "I" references in a row in your parsed and separated response.

My opinions are all about what I think. I'm pretty self-involved.

None of which matter at all to me

Naturally. Nothing saying disinterest more than counting each instance of the thing you have no interest in.

since you can't even make a simple prediction to back up your opinion.

I predict the team will have a worse point guard next year. That's the prediction that, if correct, will back up my opinion.

That's what I'd expect, though. At least you didn't throw some "potentially" references in there.

See you soon!

 

[Boob-No-More]

What's the point of getting younger, if you also get worse? Yeah boy, that Raymond Felton is a below average NBA player, but at least he's younger than Andre Miller. I posted this in another thread:

Miller 2009-10 Regular Season:

PER = 17.8
ORtg = 111
DRtg = 108
WS = 7.0
WS/48 = 0.124

Raymond Felton 2009-10 Regular Season:

PER = 16.6
ORtg = 108
DRtg = 111
WS = 5.4
WS/48 = 0.094

Miller 2010 Playoffs:

PER = 18.9
ORtg = 114
DRtg = 117
WS = 0.4
WS/48 = 0.106

Raymond Felton 2010 Playoffs:

PER = 11.2
ORtg = 94
DRtg = 111
WS = 0.0
WS/48 = -0.001

Felton's PER of 16.6 was a career high and was greatly inflated by playing over 2/3 of his games in D'Antoni's system. His PER in Denver was only 14.7, which is very close to his career average of 14.5.

Yeah, Miller is older, but he's an iron man who is still more productive than Felton, who, other than 54 games under Mike D'Antoni, is, and has always been, a below average NBA player. If the goal is to win more games next season, I don't see how that accomplishes that goal.

Can someone please explain to me how that does not make our team worse now than before this trade? If the only goal is to get younger, I'm sure we could have found an even crappier PG than Raymond Felton that's 4 or 5 years younger. At 27, Raymond Felton isn't our PG of the future, he's our PG of the present, and a very mediocre one at that. And, to land him not only did we have to give up a better player who plays the same position, we also had to give up drafting the back-up power forward this team has desperately needed for five years. We would have been so much better next season to have just kept Miller and drafted Faried at 21. But, instead, we have a worse starting PG and yet another tweener "combo" guard without an NBA position and still no back-up power forward.

BNM

 

[RamblinRod]

I agree.

MN has a lot of ground to make up, but Denver and Utah will be battling us for a playoff spot, and that's ... not good.

Ed O.

Yes, because Utah got a big euro and a combo guard, while Denver got a rebounder in the late first round of a weak draft. There's no stopping them now!

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

No, its not time to assess. Too early, more changes could be coming.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

basically see this:

Felton/Smith/EWill
Matthews/Roy
Crash/Batum
LMA/???
Oden/Camby

think Babbit, Patty, and whomever else is probably negligible and/or worthless.

desperately need a backup 4 and some spot up shooting.

I still say Babbitt is miscast as a 3 and would be more effective as a stretch 4. Especially if he could bulk up a tad (although he's no weakling)--get up to say, 235-240--he could be passable defensively and effective offensively as LMA's backup. And if we keep Chris Johnson around (which I'm hoping for), it would still be a touch thin, but that wouldn't be a terrible frontcourt group.

 

[Blazinaway]

I think we got worse tonight and Denver, Utah and Minnesota all markedly improved.

Disagree, it's at worst even. Miller, as much of a warrior as hi is was starting to show his age later in the season. We got 9 yrs younger at PG - IMO that's a slight plus in evaluating plusses and minuses. Rudy was worthless, no loss there. Nolan Smith? who knows and only time will tell, our backup PG's simply sucked last yr so maybe a positive. Don't see how you can say we got worse.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Don't see how you can say we got worse.

umm, from a statistical standpoint...its fairly obvious

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Yes, because Utah got a big euro and a combo guard, while Denver got a rebounder in the late first round of a weak draft. There's no stopping them now!

cant really knock utah for drafting #3 and #12 and them getting the players they did...they might flop, but if they are good, we are hurting

and denver was already stacked from last year, if they keep miller, they are markedly better...andre/faried/hamilton is a nice haul for their troubles

 

[LittleAlex]

Still an unbalanced roster.

Still too small baring Oden coming back.

Really, still too small even if Oden comes back.


I think that Portland will probably win one or two less games next year then this one, loose in the first round again, then loose Oden to free agency.

That's sort of where Portland is headed.