Time to bench Yi and Simmons?

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Bench Yi and Simmons?

  • Yes

    Votes: 25 67.6%

  • No

    Votes: 12 32.4%
  • Total voters
    37
I voted yes, just so people can get off Yi's back. I mean appearantly, if you suck coming off the bench, it's not really your fault, it's because you are playing with bench players. Ryan Anderson hasn't played more than 10 min for last 3 games, yet people wants to see how he does in the starting line up. what happens if he struggles in the starting line up? restarting Yi would seem silly since Ryan Anderson wasn't playing well to replace Yi in the first place. Start Najera or swift won't get you championship and simply not making any sense for a rebuilding team to start career journeyman and sit 2 young players with upsides, or at least one young player with upside according to some of you. so It's asking a lot to have a struggling rookie to turn it around in the starting line up to not make the coach look silly. But hey, we all should be optimistic and hope for the best, maybe in the starting line up, Ryan Anderson will explode and start making those open shots that he's been missing. But at least it won't be Yi's fault that Nets don't go far into the playoffs this year.

I am defending Yi is not because that I think Yi is a good player. I am only defending him when someone accuse him of being worse than he actually is. Yi is a bad defender, but not as bad as some people have mentioned. Nobody ever give him credit for being the first one back and disrupting some fast breaks, nobody ever mentions anything when he makes a good rotation or help D. I too find it unbareable watching Yi getting beat off the dribble over and over again, but how many team let that happen that many times in the same game without making any defensive adjustments? did anyone ever see the Nets send Yi help in those iso situations? Team defense is obviously not as important as Yi's individual bad defense, maybe it's Yi's fault that Nets has the worst opposing 3pt% in the league. Yi has no confidence in his offense right now, which I think it's the bigger reason that he's not getting minutes. His jump shots are not falling, and he can't make anything close to the rim either. Yi hasn't played well enough to start in the NBA, but does Nets have the right person to replace him in the starting line up? Frank seems to be in favor of the 4 small + 1 big line up, maybe Frank will start that line up, putting a struggling rookie to starting lineup doesn't quite make sense to me.
 
I have changed my mind about Yi starting. At first I thought he should stay in the lineup to get more playing time to develop. Now after seeing some games, I think he should come off the bench. Not because of what many here think.

I think Yi plays more aggressive when the starting line up isnt on the court. I recall in some of blow out games where Frank had Yi in with the bench. Yi was taking shots, driving and getting to the free throw line. I think Yi needs situations where he is main option.

A second unit of Dooling, Harris/CDR, Hassel, Yi and Boone can help Yi's confidence. I feel like when Yi is in there with Harris, VC, and Lopez he is the odd man out. With the above lineup, It is him and Harris. Dooling, Hassel, and Boone balance it the line up out with D. We have seen that the back court of Doolilng and Harris has been very effective. Add Yi for offense punch where he is the main/Second guy with Harris doing his thing. I think this will help him. Is it coincidence that Yi always steps up later in the games?

As for Simmons, I dont think he should start. He has become a situational player. He is a spot up shooter. Hayes is more balanced and deserves to start.
 
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networks said:
I think Yi plays more aggressive when the starting line up isnt on the court. I recall in some of blow out games where Frank had Yi in with the bench. Yi was taking shots, driving and getting to the free throw line. I think Yi needs situations where he is main option.

A second unit of Dooling, Harris/CDR, Hassel, Yi and Boone can help Yi's confidence. I feel like when Yi is in there with Harris, VC, and Lopez he is the odd man out. With the above lineup, It is him and Harris. Dooling, Hassel, and Boone balance it the line up out with D. We have seen that the back court of Doolilng and Harris has been very effective. Add Yi for offense punch where he is the main/Second guy with Harris doing his thing. I think this will help him. Is it coincidence that Yi always steps up later in the games?

As for Simmons, I dont think he should start. He has become a situational player. He is a spot up shooter. Hayes is more balanced and deserves to start.
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First, I think that Jarvis Hayes is helped a lot by the "Yi effect" you mentioned, so it probably makes sense to keep him coming off the bench - Simmons' game is just more naturally complementary, while Hayes needs the ball in his hands a bit more to be effective.

I think that's a really interesting point about Yi, and probably worth a shot. Considering how well Dooling is getting to the hole, maybe a Dooling/Yi pick-and-pop game could be really effective.
 
I didn't vote in the poll because I don't want to lump Yi and Simmons together. Though immensely critical of Simmons earlier in the season (and of Frank's decision to play him late in games in place of Hayes), now that Frank is in fact giving more crunch minutes to Hayes, I'm comfortable with Simmons as a starter getting 24 minutes a game or so. I would certainly welcome a trade for an upgrade, but that's another issue.

Yi is another matter. I'm very sensitive to the issue of confidence for a young player but also to the issue of maintaining sports as the ultimate meritocracy, an enterprise where things aren't just handed to you because of your ethnicity or marketing potential or because of hopes (realistic or otherwise) that one day you'll be Dirk Nowitzki. At some point, what you do on the court in games has to arbitrate your playing time and position.

At this point, Yi should be benched, and perhaps put out of the rotation altogether, because he is simply not producing anywhere near enough offensively to make up for his incredible defensive deficiencies, nor does he seem any longer to be progressing in those areas (which he did for the first few weeks of the season, but then his defense had nowhere to go but up). His shot, beautiful as it is in form, is all but gone for the last month in terms of accuracy. His offensive inconsistency, which started as a very manageable "good game/bad game" trend, has deteriorated into one decent (not good) game out of every 6 or 7 games. That's not tenable.

In the end, if Yi can't psychologically stomach a benching for these justifiable reasons and respond (later this year or next) by significantly improving his play (and especially his consistency), then he will be worthless as a player anyway. If you can't be competitive on your own team, you have no hope of being competitive against others.
 
NOMAM said:
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lol lol!! so funny!!! pretty YI!!
 
FOMW said:
I didn't vote in the poll because I don't want to lump Yi and Simmons together. Though immensely critical of Simmons earlier in the season (and of Frank's decision to play him late in games in place of Hayes), now that Frank is in fact giving more crunch minutes to Hayes, I'm comfortable with Simmons as a starter getting 24 minutes a game or so. I would certainly welcome a trade for an upgrade, but that's another issue.

Yi is another matter. I'm very sensitive to the issue of confidence for a young player but also to the issue of maintaining sports as the ultimate meritocracy, an enterprise where things aren't just handed to you because of your ethnicity or marketing potential or because of hopes (realistic or otherwise) that one day you'll be Dirk Nowitzki. At some point, what you do on the court in games has to arbitrate your playing time and position.

At this point, Yi should be benched, and perhaps put out of the rotation altogether, because he is simply not producing anywhere near enough offensively to make up for his incredible defensive deficiencies, nor does he seem any longer to be progressing in those areas (which he did for the first few weeks of the season, but then his defense had nowhere to go but up). His shot, beautiful as it is in form, is all but gone for the last month in terms of accuracy. His offensive inconsistency, which started as a very manageable "good game/bad game" trend, has deteriorated into one decent (not good) game out of every 6 or 7 games. That's not tenable.

In the end, if Yi can't psychologically stomach a benching for these justifiable reasons and respond (later this year or next) by significantly improving his play (and especially his consistency), then he will be worthless as a player anyway. If you can't be competitive on your own team, you have no hope of being competitive against others.
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Wow.

For the first time ever, I agree with completely everything you just said.

Good evaluation.
 
Yi isn't getting his minutes cut any time soon. He is the future of Nets marketing.

Shit.

I mean Nets basketball.

See what happened there? I meant to say Yi is the future of Nets basketball, but I accidentally said he's the future of Nets marketing. How silly of me, a freak error on my part. My bad.
 
unstop said:
Yi isn't getting his minutes cut any time soon. He is the future of Nets marketing.

Shit.

I mean Nets basketball.

See what happened there? I meant to say Yi is the future of Nets basketball, but I accidentally said he's the future of Nets marketing. How silly of me, a freak error on my part. My bad.
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There are ways to market Yi other than basketball. For example, they could market him as the halftime show feature:

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FOMW said:
I didn't vote in the poll because I don't want to lump Yi and Simmons together. Though immensely critical of Simmons earlier in the season (and of Frank's decision to play him late in games in place of Hayes), now that Frank is in fact giving more crunch minutes to Hayes, I'm comfortable with Simmons as a starter getting 24 minutes a game or so. I would certainly welcome a trade for an upgrade, but that's another issue.

Yi is another matter. I'm very sensitive to the issue of confidence for a young player but also to the issue of maintaining sports as the ultimate meritocracy, an enterprise where things aren't just handed to you because of your ethnicity or marketing potential or because of hopes (realistic or otherwise) that one day you'll be Dirk Nowitzki. At some point, what you do on the court in games has to arbitrate your playing time and position.

At this point, Yi should be benched, and perhaps put out of the rotation altogether, because he is simply not producing anywhere near enough offensively to make up for his incredible defensive deficiencies, nor does he seem any longer to be progressing in those areas (which he did for the first few weeks of the season, but then his defense had nowhere to go but up). His shot, beautiful as it is in form, is all but gone for the last month in terms of accuracy. His offensive inconsistency, which started as a very manageable "good game/bad game" trend, has deteriorated into one decent (not good) game out of every 6 or 7 games. That's not tenable.

In the end, if Yi can't psychologically stomach a benching for these justifiable reasons and respond (later this year or next) by significantly improving his play (and especially his consistency), then he will be worthless as a player anyway. If you can't be competitive on your own team, you have no hope of being competitive against others.
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However, Simmons will be easier to upgrade. Say what you want about Yi and Ryan Anderson, the Nets are not going to give up on them. Yi may be playing horribly right now, but at least over the past nine games he is averaging just 20 minutes a game. That's akin to a sixth or eighth man. I don't really care much if those 20 minutes happen as a starter or a reserve, so long as he doesn't get 30 minutes per game undeservedly.

Simmons, while he has been decent recently (at least until his recent injury), will be easier to upgrade emotionally. Trade Simmons and stuff for Gerald Wallace, and I could certainly live with Yi as the starting PF.
 
What the hell here? Yi isn't the franchise player, he even not play one second in the crunch time, and has the best season +/- stats, yes, Yi play poorly, but he far form hurt his team, the defense of the whole team is terrible, not just Yi, DH has good defense? VC has good defense? simmons has good defense? lopez has good defense? hayes has good defense? hell no, when frank put in these guys, it just getting worse, how many times did these guys get beat hard by the opponent, just go to watch the video tapes, I don't say put Yi in would be better, but these guys just not better, the whole forum full of Yi is a shit post, I just shame of you, just because he is a chinese? he play poorly but don't desire so many blame.
 
Yi is a decent player right now, if you guys want to bench him, start swift, he is better than Yi right now, but you would lost the future.
 
YI is not so big to play center! silly otaku!
 
I wouldn't mind Hayes starting at SF but both him and Simmons have on and off days.
 
when Yi play pf in china nation team, he got about 10 points 7 rebounds, almost the same stats at nets, when he play center in china nation team he can got about 20 points and 10 rebounds, anybody let me know is he a center or a pf? he is way more effective at center position.
 
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ebc said:
when Yi play pf in china nation team, he got about 10 points 7 rebounds, almost the same stats at nets, when he play center in china nation team he can got about 20 points and 10 rebounds, anybody let me know he is a center or a pf? he is way more effective at center position.
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I believe he is only effective in a C position if and only if he were in an up tiempo type Offense for example, the Warriors, Knicks...(only two i can think of who implement the run n gun)
 
Are you guys suggesting we give Yi Lopez's job? Get real please.
 
Dumpy said:
However, Simmons will be easier to upgrade. Say what you want about Yi and Ryan Anderson, the Nets are not going to give up on them. Yi may be playing horribly right now, but at least over the past nine games he is averaging just 20 minutes a game. That's akin to a sixth or eighth man. I don't really care much if those 20 minutes happen as a starter or a reserve, so long as he doesn't get 30 minutes per game undeservedly.

Simmons, while he has been decent recently (at least until his recent injury), will be easier to upgrade emotionally. Trade Simmons and stuff for Gerald Wallace, and I could certainly live with Yi as the starting PF.
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The Wallace trade would definitely help our defense. He was some kind of impressive in that game in Charlotte. He would also give us a better small lineup when he plays the four over what we get with Simmons because of his ability to block shots inside. Still not sure that it makes the most financial sense, however. Isn't his contract REALLY long?
 
CalamityX04 said:
I believe he is only effective in a C position if and only if he were in an up tiempo type Offense for example, the Warriors, Knicks...(only two i can think of who implement the run n gun)
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no no no, he isn't just a run n gun center, he had a beautiful turnaround driving layup or dunk, his turnaround driving is very very very quick, you can see in the highlight face Dirk last year, he also had a beautiful short range turnaround jump shot, what he can do well is got the ball within 10 feet from basket, beyond this range he almost can do nothing, why? he can't dribble, he has poor footwork, he can't do a long range dribble-drive, within 10 feet, he just need to dribble once or don't need to dribble to operate.

I don't say give Yi lopez's job, Yi can backup the c, or play twin tower, or let him post up more.
 
How about we just give Ryan Anderson more minutes than Yi? Although Ryan has not played that well, he needs a chance to play and develop his game. He has a lot of potential. Besides, what could be worse than watching Yi get exposed on every play?
 
ScoringPG1850 said:
How about we just give Ryan Anderson more minutes than Yi? Although Ryan has not played that well, he needs a chance to play and develop his game. He has a lot of potential. Besides, what could be worse than watching Yi get exposed on every play?
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Yi's played very few minutes for the past couple games, Ryan gets like 6-7 min in the first half after Yi and is completely forgotten in the second half. Frank likes his 1 big 4 small a lot it seems.
 
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