Time to discuss Kanter vs Nurk

[PtldPlatypus]

If Nurk struggles to finnish at the rim, what makes you think he will become a decent 3point shooter?

On the other hand, what makes you think there's any connection at all between those two things?

 

[Cugel]

It depends upon which Nurk shows up to the arena. Nurk has to have a fg% of well over 50 in order for me to be on board with not dealing him.

Plus he is injury prone, sorry but it's true. What good is an injured defensive anchor? Time to move on?

 

[Mr. Robot]

marc gasol didnt shoot threes until he was 30 yo or 31 yo (he did, but it was small number, not worth mentioning), when he started shooting them a lot

nurk is 26 yo, he needs to develop 3-pointer and become 30% shooter from deep, so i want to see him shooting one or two threes per game

 

[Mr. Robot]

It depends upon which Nurk shows up to the arena. Nurk has to have a fg% of well over 50 in order for me to be on board with not dealing him.

Plus he is injury prone, sorry but it's true. What good is an injured defensive anchor? Time to move on?

blazers can move on from nurk, but only if they can find someone as good as nurk or better

you dont replace nurk with kanter lol, if you lose quality player like nurk, you better replace him with another quality player at center or some other position (in that case, you can deal with lets say kanter)

 

[kjironman1]

If Nurk struggles to finnish at the rim, what makes you think he will become a decent 3point shooter?

There is very little to debate here. Finishing at the rim has nothing in common with shooting an open look from three.
Now getting a better look around the rim for everyone on the team has everything to do with your center being able to make an open look from three.
See what i did there?

 

[kjironman1]

It's not just Nurk. If Kanter could get three's to drop consistently that would be a good thing as well.

 

[Mr. Robot]

collins is 30% shooter from deep, but hes power forward/center

perhaps you could deal with collins as your stretch five, but like i said, you still need to replace nurks quality at some other position and that would be either small or power forward

i wouldnt give up on collins, i assume we can get him for cheap, you roll the dice with collins for sure

 

[Phatguysrule]

As a starter silly

Doesn't matter. All that matters is the win.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

You could take that a step further and keep GTJ in the starting lineup when CJ returns and have a second unit of Nurk, CJ, Ant, Melo and Hood. That would be a formidable 2nd unit.

I’m for this approach!

 

[bobf]

Totally disagree with this. The thing that makes AD and Embiid tough to guard is the 3 point threat. Neither had that shot coming into the league. He needs to continue to work on it.
I do agree however he needs to also work on finishing around the rim. Why not both?

Both in the long run, I agree, but it's about return on time-invested at the moment. If he's currently at around 15-20% from 3 he really shouldn't be taking 3's in games, unless you are willing to risk losing some close games and risk missing the playoffs. If he's not taking 3's in games there is no immediate benefit to 3-pointer improvement whereas around rim improvement has immediate value. I exaggerated somewhat, I don't really have a problem with him practicing 3's now but improving around the rim should be a much higher priority. AD and Embiid didn't have the same around-the-rim problems Nurk has so for them it made more sense.

 

[kjironman1]

Both in the long run, I agree, but it's about return on time-invested at the moment. If he's currently at around 15-20% from 3 he really shouldn't be taking 3's in games, unless you are willing to risk losing some close games and risk missing the playoffs. If he's not taking 3's in games there is no immediate benefit to 3-pointer improvement whereas around rim improvement has immediate value. I exaggerated somewhat, I don't really have a problem with him practicing 3's now but improving around the rim should be a much higher priority. AD and Embiid didn't have the same around-the-rim problems Nurk has so for them it made more sense.

20% from three is 1 of 5.
2-5 is 40%
I'll let you think about that as you think about Davis having to move out 2-3 steps when Nurk is on the three point line?

 

[bobf]

20% from three is 1 of 5.
2-5 is 40%
I'll let you think about that as you think about Davis having to move out 2-3 steps when Nurk is on the three point line?

Yes, I understand the value of pulling someone like AD out of the paint but until Nurk can hit above 30% from 3, AD doesn't need to leave the paint. I know what 1/5 and 2/5 is... are you trying to say it's easy to go from 20% to 40%? Some can never get above 25%. In the mean time Nurk is taking a lot of shots around the rim.

 

[kjironman1]

Yes, I understand the value of pulling someone like AD out of the paint but until Nurk can hit above 30% from 3, AD doesn't need to leave the paint. I know what 1/5 and 2/5 is... are you trying to say it's easy to go from 20% to 40%? Some can never get above 25%. In the mean time Nurk is taking a lot of shots around the rim.

I'm gonna fall back on my original statement.

Why not both?

While he's at it he can start learning how to just dunk the damn ball.

 

[blazerkor]

You could take that a step further and keep GTJ in the starting lineup when CJ returns and have a second unit of Nurk, CJ, Ant, Melo and Hood. That would be a formidable 2nd unit.

What is this mythical second unit I keep hearing about. Did the NBA turn into the NHL at some point and start going with line changes? It's just a rotation. I would love it if they brought CJ off of the bench for the rest of his tenure here but Stotts would never and if he did, it might be the only time that Olshey pulled rank on him. Nurk won't come off of the bench either. Stotts has shown time and time again that he is more interested in loyalty than putting the best team on the floor. If Nurk comes back even slower and less interested than he was before his injury, he'll still start.

 

[BlazerWookee]

No.

It isn't.

 

[bobf]

I'm gonna fall back on my original statement.


While he's at it he can start learning how to just dunk the damn ball.

I agreed he can work on both. But until he can start hitting above 30% of his wide open 3’s that has limited value. Yes dunk the ball, stop bringing the ball down, stop bringing your body down in order to go up.

 

[Serbian]

Kanter is better. Offensively kanter is hakeem the dream compared to nurkic. Nurkic needs to come off bench kanter start

 

[James lamphear]

Nurk came back physically and mentally not ready to play basketball. So maybe this time off he can get both back and play up to his potienal. Because if doesn't I don't have qualm to have Kanter starting.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Nurk is better but he is also more inconsistent. Kanter is pretty steady.

 

[GDiama]

Whiteside vs Nurk aged well and now we moved on to the new one. Nurk is on a different league in terms of talent. Many issues yes, but we need him.

 

[blazerkor]

Whiteside vs Nurk aged well and now we moved on to the new one. Nurk is on a different league in terms of talent. Many issues yes, but we need him.

I agree totally that Nurk has far more physical gifts and skills and we do need him over Kanter but is his trade value and the idea other GMs might have about unlocking all of that potential worth more to us than what Nurk gives us when healthy?

 

[GDiama]

I agree totally that Nurk has far more physical gifts and skills and we do need him over Kanter but is his trade value and the idea other GMs might have about unlocking all of that potential worth more to us than what Nurk gives us when healthy?

While he is injured i don't know if we can get fair value.