Should we be worried about Shaedon?

[Sheldon Shape]

Isn’t that what you do in forums, share your opinion and get others perspective? I said it earlier Sharpes my favorite player love his athleticism but definitely has some areas he needs to improve on and guessing even he would say the same thing

Sure, I just don't know how useful it is to give your opinion on what is going inside a player's head, especially when it seems contradictory to his actions.

 

[e_blazer]

No.

 

[PCmor7]

Sure, I just don't know how useful it is to give your opinion on what is going inside a player's head, especially when it seems contradictory to his actions.

If you don't know how useful it is to discuss it, why are you telling people not to discuss it? And, as several others have pointed out and you accepted, it's not universally seen as contradictory to his performance.

 

[PCmor7]

The whole "contrary to his actions/performance" got me thinking about how good Shaedon looked in that stint at the end of his rookie season and why it's been personally frustrating to see him treading water and leaving so much of his potential unfulfilled so far, while admitting he's still a good player, so I decided to look up some stats.

What I found out is, aside from his steals, he performs pretty much the same as he always has. He's just playing more.

 

[RR7]

The whole "contrary to his actions/performance" got me thinking about how good Shaedon looked in that stint at the end of his rookie season and why it's been personally frustrating to see him treading water and leaving so much of his potential unfulfilled so far, while admitting he's still a good player, so I decided to look up some stats.

What I found out is, aside from his steals, he performs pretty much the same as he always has. He's just playing more.

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I do think it is a plus though, to continue similar output with increased time/opportunity. There are a lot of players who look good in small samples or in small roles, but who can not sustain that same output with an increased role.

 

[PCmor7]

I do think it is a plus though, to continue similar output with increased time/opportunity. There are a lot of players who look good in small samples or in small roles, but who can not sustain that same output with an increased role.

I don't disagree with that at all. He's not falling off a cliff like some players do. I think there's this perception that people saying he's falling short of his potential is saying he's not a good player even when we've been saying he's a good player who could/should be a better player.

And that's the way I take this entire thread: Has Shaedon reached his realistic ceiling, if so or not, why, and what can be done for him to keep progressing. It's been presented that he's been progressing, but, from a statistical standpoint, he hasn't progressed, and looking at it from a scouting perspective, I don't think he's progressed nearly as much as I thought he would have.

 

[PCmor7]

As another example, it was presented that we were saying because he was not strong fundamentally, it meant he had a poor work ethic. That's 1+1=69 stuff. It's taking criticism of Sharpe personally and reading things into it that aren't there, because I don't recall writing he had a poor work ethic. I might have said he could, and I know I said I had questions of his passion for the game, which has nothing to do with work ethic, but I said he might have poor work habits.

And I am pretty sure I explained this before, that anyone can practice something a lot, but just practicing doesn't necessarily make you better. It's practicing with a plan and efficiently. I know I've written several times this season that what I was observing with Shaedon was consistent with someone that wasn't working out well in the offseason and needed a new trainer because his issues are fundamental issues and probably still are correctible, to an extent (although the longer you play with poor fundamentals the harder they become to correct because you develop muscle memory and habit of doing things incorrectly and imprecisely).

 

[Sheldon Shape]

If you don't know how useful it is to discuss it, why are you telling people not to discuss it? And, as several others have pointed out and you accepted, it's not universally seen as contradictory to his performance.

Who told you not to discuss it?

 

[PCmor7]

Who told you not to discuss it?

Do you really want to play semantics?

 

[Sheldon Shape]

The whole "contrary to his actions/performance" got me thinking about how good Shaedon looked in that stint at the end of his rookie season and why it's been personally frustrating to see him treading water and leaving so much of his potential unfulfilled so far, while admitting he's still a good player, so I decided to look up some stats.

What I found out is, aside from his steals, he performs pretty much the same as he always has. He's just playing more.

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Is this you?

It's not, but statistics aren't always the best indicator of progress, either.

 

[PCmor7]

Is this you?

That is. Can you read?

You take anything that isn't 110% glowing/pro-Shaedon as an insult to Shaedon and it makes you miss or ignore important parts of the posts you're quoting.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Do you really want to play semantics?

I don't view it as that. You accused me of saying something I clearly didn't.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

That is. Can you read?

You take anything that isn't 110% glowing/pro-Shaedon as an insult to Shaedon and it makes you miss or ignore important parts of the posts you're quoting.

Look back in this thread and you'll find me criticizing Shaedon plenty. I don't know where what you're thinking.

 

[blazerkor]

As another example, it was presented that we were saying because he was not strong fundamentally, it meant he had a poor work ethic. That's 1+1=69 stuff. It's taking criticism of Sharpe personally and reading things into it that aren't there, because I don't recall writing he had a poor work ethic. I might have said he could, and I know I said I had questions of his passion for the game, which has nothing to do with work ethic, but I said he might have poor work habits.

And I am pretty sure I explained this before, that anyone can practice something a lot, but just practicing doesn't necessarily make you better. It's practicing with a plan and efficiently. I know I've written several times this season that what I was observing with Shaedon was consistent with someone that wasn't working out well in the offseason and needed a new trainer because his issues are fundamental issues and probably still are correctible, to an extent (although the longer you play with poor fundamentals the harder they become to correct because you develop muscle memory and habit of doing things incorrectly and imprecisely).

It turns out that sometimes when the mood is right... sometimes 1+1 does equal 69.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

The whole "contrary to his actions/performance" got me thinking about how good Shaedon looked in that stint at the end of his rookie season and why it's been personally frustrating to see him treading water and leaving so much of his potential unfulfilled so far, while admitting he's still a good player, so I decided to look up some stats.

What I found out is, aside from his steals, he performs pretty much the same as he always has. He's just playing more.

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His steals are the only thing that went up significantly this year but turnovers increased enough to cancel that out.

 

[PCmor7]

I don't view it as that. You accused me of saying something I clearly didn't.

That's part of what semantics is. It's saying something and then trying to pretend you didn't say it by pointing out you didn't say exactly that, although the intention was fairly clear.

I think most people -- probably even including you -- would feel someone not discussing the subject but going after people having a conversation by first calling them "pop psychologists," which pretty clearly was meant to be a shot, and following that up by saying you "you weren't sure how useful it is to give your opinion on what is going on in a player's head" is trying to stop the conversation. No?

If someone tells you your contribution to this board is worthless the next time you post something, you wouldn't take that as trying to get you to leave the conversation?

 

[PCmor7]

Look back in this thread and you'll find me criticizing Shaedon plenty. I don't know where what you're thinking.

I think you're the one that tried to stop two fellow posters from discussing the topic of this thread who has a screen name that's pretty similar to the player being discussed. Or are you going to play "I wasn't trying to do what everyone could see I was trying to do" again?

 

[PCmor7]

Look back in this thread and you'll find me criticizing Shaedon plenty. I don't know where what you're thinking.

OK, let's see ...

Page 2
"Agreed. Let Deni be an example. In his sixth year he's a star when nobody thought he could be. You can't tell me Shaedon doesn't show flashes at a minimum. You've got to be happy at how much he's improved and has worked on his game to get there."

Not criticizing.

Page 3
"He's significantly improved every season in multiple categories. Despite his perceived nonchalance, you can't really question his hunger to work on his game. He's doing it and it shows."

Not criticizing.

"To truly become a star, he'll need to improve his free throw rate and get to the line.

Here's hoping he gets there by next season."

Perhaps faint criticism.

Annnnnnnd, it looks like that's all you posted in this thread before the "pop psychologists" quip, so I'll stand by my opinion that you stan Shaedon potentially to fanboy levels. Nothing wrong with that, but if you can't keep your emotions in check, perhaps you shouldn't engage those who are trying to discuss the topic objectively.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

Sure, I just don't know how useful it is to give your opinion on what is going inside a player's head, especially when it seems contradictory to his actions.

Well no offense but that’s what an opinion is, it’s my opinion of what’s going on with his game. You may not like it and that’s ok. I hope I’m wrong last night was a great sign Sharpe came back after his worst game of the year and may have played his best overall game. Doesn’t happen often but on occasion I’m wrong I’m hoping I am, I want Sharpe to reach his superstar potential!

 

[1 Eye Jack]

I do think it is a plus though, to continue similar output with increased time/opportunity. There are a lot of players who look good in small samples or in small roles, but who can not sustain that same output with an increased role.

Think they call that diminishing returns.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

That's part of what semantics is. It's saying something and then trying to pretend you didn't say it by pointing out you didn't say exactly that, although the intention was fairly clear.

I think most people -- probably even including you -- would feel someone not discussing the subject but going after people having a conversation by first calling them "pop psychologists," which pretty clearly was meant to be a shot, and following that up by saying you "you weren't sure how useful it is to give your opinion on what is going on in a player's head" is trying to stop the conversation. No?

If someone tells you your contribution to this board is worthless the next time you post something, you wouldn't take that as trying to get you to leave the conversation?

It's literally not semantics because I don't wish to stop the discussion just because I think it's incredibly infantile. Those are my thoughts on the subject. So now you're getting mad at me for for my thoughts on a message board. Are you trying to stop my discussion of your discussion? How meta of you.

If someone told me my contribution to the board is worthless, I wouldn't be as sensitive as you are and consider the deeper meaning behind it. Whatever. We all have good and bad takes, no need to get butt hurt over it. I've liked plenty of your posts.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

OK, let's see ...

Page 2
"Agreed. Let Deni be an example. In his sixth year he's a star when nobody thought he could be. You can't tell me Shaedon doesn't show flashes at a minimum. You've got to be happy at how much he's improved and has worked on his game to get there."

Not criticizing.

Page 3
"He's significantly improved every season in multiple categories. Despite his perceived nonchalance, you can't really question his hunger to work on his game. He's doing it and it shows."

Not criticizing.

"To truly become a star, he'll need to improve his free throw rate and get to the line.

Here's hoping he gets there by next season."

Perhaps faint criticism.

Annnnnnnd, it looks like that's all you posted in this thread before the "pop psychologists" quip, so I'll stand by my opinion that you stan Shaedon potentially to fanboy levels. Nothing wrong with that, but if you can't keep your emotions in check, perhaps you shouldn't engage those who are trying to discuss the topic objectively.

I literally proposed trading him earlier in the season. lol Spend more time trying to make me into a Sharpe stan. haha A weird thing to invest your time on, but sure you may continue.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Well no offense but that’s what an opinion is, it’s my opinion of what’s going on with his game. You may not like it and that’s ok. I hope I’m wrong last night was a great sign Sharpe came back after his worst game of the year and may have played his best overall game. Doesn’t happen often but on occasion I’m wrong I’m hoping I am, I want Sharpe to reach his superstar potential!

I'm not offended at all. haha I want him to reach his potential too! I was so down on him earlier in the season so I'm hardly a Sharpe stan. I think he could and should be criticized without commenting on his psychology. That goes for any person. Also putting things into perspective, he's probably been more consistent and had more flashes than Deni did at the same age. Doesn't mean he'll get to be on Deni's level, but Sharpe is still young and still improving. I think he's made vast improvements - as much anyone could have asked for in his fourth season.

I like him having a bad game and coming back the next and dominating. That's the quality of a great player.

 

[kjironman1]

This thread has taken a weird turn?
I personally am glad we have the kid. Think he is improving at a very reasonable pace on a number of skills. I see him becoming more and more confident as each month unfolds.
Really hope he continues to grow and becomes even stronger on both ends of the court.

 

[BBert]

This thread has taken a weird turn?
I personally am glad we have the kid. Think he is improving at a very reasonable pace on a number of skills. I see him becoming more and more confident as each month unfolds.
Really hope he continues to grow and becomes even stronger on both ends of the court.

This may merit the sane post of the day award.

 

[kjironman1]

This may merit the sane post of the day award.

Rarely have my posts been called sane. I'm a bit confused on how to react/respond.
I will take that as a compliment and say thank you.
@SlyPokerDog I did not pay this man to say this.

 

[BBert]

Rarely have my posts been called sane. I'm a bit confused on how to react/respond.
I will take that as a compliment and say thank you.
@SlyPokerDog I did not pay this man to say this.

Hey, I'm as shocked as anyone.