Time To Let Babbitt Go?

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This may have already been discussed, but if we don't pick up the option on Babbitt by October 31st he'll be an unrestricted free agent next summer. Now, after 2 lack luster seasons we have to determine if he'll have a sort of breakout year (OK, OK, stop laughing) that may make him a valuable bench player. Myself, I'd like to see us pick up the option. I mean, with a 15 player roster we can always bury him at the end of the bench next year if he sucks and then cut him loose.
 
2.9 million option for next season. No you don't pick it up. If he proves he is worth it, we'll still have his bird rights, so no concern there. The possibility of max cap space or close is worth far more than hanging on to Babbitt.
 
2.9 million option for next season. No you don't pick it up. If he proves he is worth it, we'll still have his bird rights, so no concern there. The possibility of max cap space or close is worth far more than hanging on to Babbitt.

That's the thing. There's no way he's worth it. Trade him for as high a draft pick as you can get and relinquish his salary.

It will be part of the 16+ Mil we will have in cap room next season. Say goodbye to Elliot Williams too. Poor kid gotsta go!
 
Here's the panel from the Oregonian for the 2011-2012 season recap.
Joe Freeman, The Oregonian: Luke Babbitt was one of the few reasons to watch the Blazers over the final month of the season. But there remain questions about his game and role with the team. Can he develop into more than a long-range shooting specialist? Does he have enough athleticism and basketball savvy to adjust after team's scout to limit his three-point shooting? Can he develop into a capable defender? Shooting is a wanted commodity in the NBA, so I think Babbitt will stick in the league. His game should only get better with more experience. But his ability to answer the aforementioned questions will determine what role he has with the Blazers moving forward and whether or not he can become a dependable backup small forward.

Matt Calkins, The Columbian: Before the final game of the season, in which he went 1-for-8 from deep while trying to reach the 3-point qualifying mark, Luke Babbitt was shooting 45.6 percent from beyond the arc. That's good.

At the same time, while I can't tangibly back this up, I'm pretty sure opponents whom he was guarding were shooting 96.7 percent. That's not as good.

Doesn't matter, though. If you look at some of the NBA's all-time great 3-point shooters — Steve Kerr, Jeff Hornacek, Tim Legler — they certainly haven't always doubled as defensive specialists. But the difference between Babbitt and the aforementioned gunners, is that he's 6-foot-8.

When you have someone who can stretch the floor like Luke but also body up an opposing post player, you have to get him on the court.

Also, Chalupa. I have no real reason for typing that word, but my laptop wouldn't let me send this write-up without doing so.

Ben Golliver, Blazersedge.com and CBSSports.com: Any time a role player on a rookie deal is among the NBA's leaders in a valued category -- as Babbitt was this season with his three-point shooting -- he's a keeper through the duration of his rookie deal. But Babbitt leaked too many points to track on defense this season and his net impact while on the court was drastically negative. The biggest development this year was that he no longer looks terrified of life. He also revealed a subtle, sly sense of humor; the coaching change seemed to do wonders for his confidence and comfort. His stroke and range are plenty refined but he'll need to work on reading defenses, hitting mid-range shots off the dribble and his strength. His plan to put on weight this offseason is a good one. He figures to get meaningful minutes next season, which could wind up as a make-or-break year in terms of assessing his ceiling.

Kevin Pelton, Basketball Prospectus: What Luke Babbitt proved over the last two months of the season is that he has an NBA skill in terms of his ability to shoot the three-pointer, which was up for debate during his limited action over his first year and a half in the league. Two things changed. First, Babbitt had the confidence to fire away knowing he wasn't headed back to the bench with a miss. Second, Kaleb Canales putting Babbitt at power forward really opened things up for him. Historically, perimeter-oriented tweeners tend to perform much better (and their team better) at the four rather than the three because it's easier to get open looks against slower defenders who don't like to step out on the perimeter. Babbitt looks like he's always going to have a tough time finding a good matchup defensively at either forward position, so the Blazers may as well at least maximize his offensive contributions by putting him at the four against most opponents off the bench.
Source: http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2012/05/you-be-gm-luke-babbitt-panel.html

People you have also forgot this stat too.
Over the final 18 games of the season, Babbitt averaged 22.3 minutes and 8.7 points per game. He scored in double figures five times, including a career-high 18 points in his first career start April 16 in Phoenix.

During that stretch Babbitt shot 44 percent from beyond the arc (34-for-78), vaulting into contention for the NBA three-point title. He entered the final game of the season at Utah needing two three pointers to qualify for the league-mandated minimum of 44, but finished the game 1-for-8 from three. Babbitt now enters the offseason with plenty to build on.
 
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Yeah, let the only guy on the team who can shoot the 3 go, yet pay the Boston guy who sucks a similar salary.

Pavolich? Havlocich? What the hell is the name of the dud that the Blazers picked up from Boston on a non-guaranteed deal?


Babbitt isn't going anywhere unless he is traded, and the insane hatred on this board for a guy that has one elite NBA skill that another team may value in a trade diminishes the NBA knowledge on this board, IMO.

Yeah, let a guy who shoots 44% from three when given minutes go for nothing, or without trying to shop him a package at the 2013 deadline or next summer. His salary actually could help in a trade if he continues to develop as a the 3-point shooter.
 
Yeah, let the only guy on the team who can shoot the 3 go, yet pay the Boston guy who sucks a similar salary.

Pavolich? Havlocich? What the hell is the name of the dud that the Blazers picked up from Boston on a non-guaranteed deal?


Babbitt isn't going anywhere unless he is traded, and the insane hatred on this board for a guy that has one elite NBA skill that another team may value in a trade diminishes the NBA knowledge on this board, IMO.

Yeah, let a guy who shoots 44% from three when given minutes go for nothing, or without trying to shop him a package at the 2013 deadline or next summer. His salary actually could help in a trade if he continues to develop as a the 3-point shooter.

Agreed. no reason to let a player on a rookie contract go when he shows an actual NBA skill. Who cares if it was a fluke or not. Just don't pick up his option, so we have enough for a max contract, hold his bird rights and give him minutes next year to see if he is worth keeping or not.
 
Yeah, let the only guy on the team who can shoot the 3 go, yet pay the Boston guy who sucks a similar salary.

Pavolich? Havlocich? What the hell is the name of the dud that the Blazers picked up from Boston on a non-guaranteed deal?


Babbitt isn't going anywhere unless he is traded, and the insane hatred on this board for a guy that has one elite NBA skill that another team may value in a trade diminishes the NBA knowledge on this board, IMO.

Yeah, let a guy who shoots 44% from three when given minutes go for nothing, or without trying to shop him a package at the 2013 deadline or next summer. His salary actually could help in a trade if he continues to develop as a the 3-point shooter.

I'm with Papa. :MARIS61:
 
Yeah, let the only guy on the team who can shoot the 3 go, yet pay the Boston guy who sucks a similar salary.

Pavolich? Havlocich? What the hell is the name of the dud that the Blazers picked up from Boston on a non-guaranteed deal?


Babbitt isn't going anywhere unless he is traded, and the insane hatred on this board for a guy that has one elite NBA skill that another team may value in a trade diminishes the NBA knowledge on this board, IMO.

Yeah, let a guy who shoots 44% from three when given minutes go for nothing, or without trying to shop him a package at the 2013 deadline or next summer. His salary actually could help in a trade if he continues to develop as a the 3-point shooter.

Newsflash, we aren't paying Pav's salary. Boston is. It only counts against our cap. It also isn't guaranteed so he will be off of our books next season.

Babbitt is garbage and your point is moot.
 
The discussion isn't just cutting Babbitt now, and keeping Pavlovic. It's about picking up his option for the 13-14 season.
 
The biggest problem with Babbit:

He is a stretch 4 and NOT a 3. Our best player is a 4. Our 2nd best (not counting Lillard) is a 3. Babbitt cannot (and will not ever be able to) play the 3. Babbitt is not as athletic as Claver (who has shown he can play Defense in the 2nd best league in the world) and has zero defense.

He is a poor, poor, poor, poor man's Ryan Anderson on crack.
 
Agreed. no reason to let a player on a rookie contract go when he shows an actual NBA skill. Who cares if it was a fluke or not. Just don't pick up his option, so we have enough for a max contract, hold his bird rights and give him minutes next year to see if he is worth keeping or not.

You cannot hold his bird rights if we don't pick up his option. If we don't pick up the option (and we shouldn't) he becomes an unrestricted FA.

Sooo.... trade him for as high a draft pick as possible or you don't get anything for him (like you could really get anything for Babbitt....)
 
You cannot hold his bird rights if we don't pick up his option. If we don't pick up the option (and we shouldn't) he becomes an unrestricted FA.

Sooo.... trade him for as high a draft pick as possible or you don't get anything for him (like you could really get anything for Babbitt....)

We'd still be able to sign him under bird rights for up to the amount we declined his option of, so 2.9 million. And we'd have cap space, if we really needed or wanted to go higher than that. But I don't think it makes sense personally to pick up his or Elliot's options.
 
We'd still be able to sign him under bird rights for up to the amount we declined his option of, so 2.9 million. And we'd have cap space, if we really needed or wanted to go higher than that. But I don't think it makes sense personally to pick up his or Elliot's options.

So again, he should be traded for as high a draft pick as possible. If we aren't going to retain him (especially at that price) we might as well get something for him.

Ammo does the same thing as he does for the minimum.
 
The biggest problem with Babbit:

He is a stretch 4 and NOT a 3. Our best player is a 4. Our 2nd best (not counting Lillard) is a 3. Babbitt cannot (and will not ever be able to) play the 3. Babbitt is not as athletic as Claver (who has shown he can play Defense in the 2nd best league in the world) and has zero defense.

He is a poor, poor, poor, poor man's Ryan Anderson on crack.

Still, a good 3 point shooter off the bench can be a valuable asset.
 
So again, he should be traded for as high a draft pick as possible. If we aren't going to retain him (especially at that price) we might as well get something for him.

Ammo does the same thing as he does for the minimum.

Morrison has never shot over 34% on 3s in his career. Unless you meant "does the same thing" in terms of being a white dude off the bench, of course.
 
Morrison has never shot over 34% on 3s in his career. Unless you meant "does the same thing" in terms of being a white dude off the bench, of course.

Their skill sets are pretty much exactly the same.
 
Babbitt and Adam Morrison seem to be the exact same sort of player, filling the same exact role. Can't see them both on the team, sadly for The 'Stash
 
Their skill sets are pretty much exactly the same.

One does it (Babbit) at a much higher level then the other (The Stache). You don't just trade Babbit to trade him, the most we could get from him at the moment is a second round pick which is essentially nothing. He is much better as a salary cap filler in a bigger trade then trading him just to trade him. He is off the books at the end of the year anyway so this desire to get him off our team is unwarranted.
 
Who is he going to play in place of? Freeland? Hickson? Leonard? Claver? It's gonna be hard to find time for him.

The only person he'd compete with for time is probably Claver. And we haven't even seen him play against NBA players. I'd say it's sort of hard to pass judgement yet.
 
So again, he should be traded for as high a draft pick as possible. If we aren't going to retain him (especially at that price) we might as well get something for him.

Ammo does the same thing as he does for the minimum.

I wouldn't trade him for a 2nd, and I doubt anyone would give a 1st. If someone gives you a first for him, sure, you take it. Otherwise, I pass on the option, but play him and see how he develops.
 
I wouldn't trade him for a 2nd, and I doubt anyone would give a 1st. If someone gives you a first for him, sure, you take it. Otherwise, I pass on the option, but play him and see how he develops.

So lose him for nothing? Because 2.9 Mil is not an option we are going to pick up. If we are simply going to relinquish his contract, if the decision is to simply let him go and let his salary fall off the books, why wouldn't you trade him and actually get some sort of prospect in return?
 
So lose him for nothing? Because 2.9 Mil is not an option we are going to pick up. If we are simply going to relinquish his contract, if the decision is to simply let him go and let his salary fall off the books, why wouldn't you trade him and actually get some sort of prospect in return?

I don't see the point of trading him right now for a 2nd rounder, before the season has started, to see if any improvements have been made. I also don't think we should pick up his option before knowing. We still have the option to sign him with cap space, and sign an offer over cap space up to that 2.9. If he has somehow played himself to earn way more than that, so be it, let him go. Because he won't hold that value here. But there's the possibility he shows himself to be a really useful piece that has value right around the 3 million mark, and we can determine that and sign him after the season.
 
So lose him for nothing? Because 2.9 Mil is not an option we are going to pick up. If we are simply going to relinquish his contract, if the decision is to simply let him go and let his salary fall off the books, why wouldn't you trade him and actually get some sort of prospect in return?

Do you think that if someone was going to offer something reasonably good in exchange for Babbitt, they would be stopped because they owe $3+M through July 2014? The only reason you would NOT offer the option is because you think that that 2.9M is going to be the holdup in offering someone a max deal. 4.4M for the next two years of Babbitt is only 2x the vet minimum, and people with his skillset make much more than that.
 
He has a "skillset?" Some of you vastly overrate him. He is worse than Sasha Pavlovich or Ronnie Price and is a light year behind Jared Jeffries.
 
He has a "skillset?" Some of you vastly overrate him. He is worse than Sasha Pavlovich or Ronnie Price and is a light year behind Jared Jeffries.

All those are completely different players then Babbit. None of them can shoot the three very well and if Babbit can hit at a 40% clip this year then yes he has a skillset that is needed in the NBA. He is an average rebounder, poor defender, poor ball handler but he can shoot and those types of players are always needed. I don't get all this hate for Babbit, he isn't a very good NBA player and I doubt he develops really anymore then he already has but he has a very good skill that every team needs.
3 point specialist usually make more then Babbit too. I'll keep him around unless one of three things happens. 1) someone offers us a first for him 2) he is needed to even out a trade $$ wise 3) He punches LMA in the face.
Hell even next year i'd keep him around for 7m over 3 as long as he ended the season over 42% from 3. I'd only sign him after we offer the Max to Harden/whatever big name player wants to play here.
 
Remember how good James Jones was for us off the bench a few years ago? Pretty much all he could do is shoot the 3.
 
You guys are nuts. BABBITT CAN'T SHOOT. James Jones was the best shooter I've seen besides Dale Ellis. No comparison.

Babbitt will miss with certainty under any of these conditions: his defender is a starter, his defender cares, the game is before tank season, or the shot matters to the outcome of the game.
 

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