Time to rebuild? Vince staying?

[thedude9990]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">New Jersey? When it comes to rebuilding, the Nets are about a year too late.

The writing was on the wall. Despite winning 49 games last season and claiming the Atlantic Division title for the fourth time in five years, the Nets were a shell of the team that advanced to back-to-back NBA Finals, a fact that was exposed in a five-game beating at the hands of Miami in the second round of the playoffs.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writ.../title.windows/

 

[NJNetz]

Honestly I'm getting sick of Vince, and I really don't know if I want him around anymore. You might think I'm crazy but we're not going to get anywhere with him. We should try to trade him and if it doesn't work, then we will have to just let him go. What more can you do?

Of course if we don't get KG back in a deal, Kidd will want out too, so we would pretty much be in a rebuilding stage.

 

[Legacy]

Our team is fine the way it is right now. We don't need to rebuild so soon. We just need to trade for a good big man and we'll be fine.

 

[Next Level Game]

Too early to blow up the team.

 

[Answer_AI03]

This team should have been rebuilt a couple years ago. This team isnt getting any younger, and its a possibility that they might not even make the playoffs this year. Carter and kidd could both be traded for young talent or draft picks. I think they should do what philly did and dedicate themselves to the future, because right now it doesnt really look like the nets are going anywhere with the current roster.

 

[Next Level Game]

This team had 49 wins last year and looked like a contender at times...29 games into the season and we're talking about blowing up and starting all over? That's....a bit brash, in my opinion.

 

[kobimel]

Look, basically, last season we were VERY lucky. The Big 3 stayed healthy all season long, which isn't something that happens every season.

Plus, half (yes, HALF) of ALL of our wins last season came from TWO winning streaks (one 10, one 14). You can't expect the team to repeat those achievments again, right? So basically, not counting the winning streaks, we won 25 games out of 58, which isn't exactly a great record.

The team hasn't been "great" since Ratner arrived and K-Mart/Kittles/Harris, etc. left. IMO, Thorn needs to wake up and realize that the Nets are going nowhere and fast.

 

[Next Level Game]

So you are saying the 10 game and 15 game winning streaks were a fluke last year? I mean, teams go on streaks all the time. Good teams. Great teams. Phx just had a 15 game winning streak. Take away that and they're 4-7, are you going to tell me that Pheonix is not a good team? ..I don't understand that point at all..

I don't think we were "VERY lucky" last year. I think we were good and we've gotten better. It's not lucky to go on a 10 game winning streak, and then another 15 game winning streak. That's not luck. It shows how good we can be... Maybe it also shows inconsistency, but above all, it shows the potential of being a great team. No one is going to tell me that losing Jacque Vaughn and Lammond Murray and gaining Marcus Williams, Boki, Hasaan Adams, and Josh Boone made us worse.

And if you've forgotten the last year we had K-Mart/Kittles/Harris etc, we went on a 14 game run and were mediocre up until we fired Scott. So.... your opinions are a bit off base.

 

[kobimel]

I'm not saying that the streaks last season were lucky, I'm just saying that in order for us to win as much games as we did last season, we'll have to either start winning consistenly, or go on two more winning streaks, and IMO, expecting the team to win 25 games off two streaks again is a very high and unrealistic expectation.

If Phoenix still have 60% less wins than losses at the end of the season outside of their long winning streak/s, let me know, because I don't think that'll be the result, unlike it was with the Nets last year.

Basically, all I'm saying is that everyone is expecting the Nets to repeat/pass last years achievements, and I'm just pointing out that unless the team starts winning game consistently, that won't happen, because expecting the team to go on two gigantic streaks like last season is unrealistic.

 

[Shapecity]

Time to throw in the towel. Not only is this season a bust with Nenad gone for the year, but take a look around your division and realize how bad the Nets are going to be in two years.

The Raptors and Celtics are LOADED with young, talented players. They have depth, and record-wise they aren't much worse than the Nets. The Nets time to win was right now, but they have no chance to win with their current trio, so it's time to get something for Vince Carter and Jason Kidd, then hope you can rebuild like some other teams in the division.

The 76ers bit the bullet by trading Iverson, and will add more talent with three 1st round picks in this year's draft.

Even the lowly Knicks have a little momentum in their direction. They have solid role players, and they are building an identity with Isiah leading this team. The fact this team is winning on the road is a positive sign for them in the near future.

What do the Nets have to look forward to after the trio fails again?

 

[The Legend]

ya i agree.. the nets trio cannot stand after this season.. i think the nets should just start from scratch like the Sixers are doing. Vince Carter and Jason Kidd need to be traded and they should get some young players and build around a player.

 

[Next Level Game]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Basically, all I'm saying is that everyone is expecting the Nets to repeat/pass last years achievements, and I'm just pointing out that unless the team starts winning game consistently, that won't happen, because expecting the team to go on two gigantic streaks like last season is unrealistic.</div>

Well I think we all agree on that. I don't think everyone is banging on the 10-15 game win streaks we have had in the past, but rather 7-8 game winning streaks here and there. Every good team goes on win streaks, whether it's 5 to 15, and they do it regularly. We're only 7 games under .500. No need to totally break down and panic yet. Season is still relatively early.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The 76ers bit the bullet by trading Iverson, and will add more talent with three 1st round picks in this year's draft.</div>

How many seasons did they wallow at the bottom with Iverson? After a 49 win season and 29 games into thise season we should call it quits? That's just harsh. The trio deserves more than that. Jason Kidd deserves more than that.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Even the lowly Knicks have a little momentum in their direction. They have solid role players, and they are building an identity with Isiah leading this team. The fact this team is winning on the road is a positive sign for them in the near future.</div>

That's an awefully optimistic view of the Knicks. What I see is a future of Frye and possibly Curry and a lot of bad parts. Marbury has picked up as of late, but I don't think they are a team to be worried about. The Celtics look good as well as Toronto, but I don't think anyone is penciling the Knicks as a future good to great team. Not with Nate Robinson, Jamal Crawford being there.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What do the Nets have to look forward to after the trio fails again?</div>

I wasn't aware we fell before. We went to the playoffs the last two seasons and we were beat out by the eventual champs last season. The future of the Nets is solid with Richard, Nenad, Marcus, Hasaan, and Boone. It's not great, but that's a core that can last us for another 5-8 seasons if need be.


Blowing up the Nets at this point just show weak will and ability. Yeah, we've been a disappointment so far, but we've been in this situation before and we've succeeded. We aren't a contender, and no one said we were going to be at the beginning of the season. We've been an inconsistent team for as long as Jason Kidd has been here, with spurts of being an unstoppable team. Hold out, give the trio a year to show what they are worth. If anything, Jason deserves that. He's earned it. He's been the franchise savior and deserves to retire a Net. It's still early in the season, we're only 2 games back of the Titanic division. We're going to be ok.

 

[AMS_ICE]

Right now, it's a wait and see situation. I think we have to wait till the trade deadline. At the start of the season, the Nets' roster was strong on paper. Kidd, Carter, Jefferson, plus a consistent Krstic was a promising lineup. Personally, I don't think Lawrence Frank has anything more left. It's time to thank him for a job well done for the past 2 years and send him on his way. It's either the Nets bulk up the current roster and make a final run or rebuild. Either way, it's a matter that has to be dealt A.S.A.P. Here are my scenarios; 1. Trade up for a big man. I'd give up either Carter or Jefferson, Collins and a 1st round pick. I'd go all out for Garnett. Anything less would just be a waste of time. 2. Rebuild. Trade Kidd and Carter for young players and veterans with cheap expiring contracts. Build around Jefferson and Krstic. At this point, we can't wait for another 10 game streak. The team is just not clicking anymore. Let's be realistic. I don't honestly think that the Nets can make a run enough to make it to the playoffs. And even if by some miracle they do make it, expect them to be swept out of the first round. That is with the roster we have. Time for a change people and that time is now.

 

[Shapecity]

<div class="quote_poster">nextlevelgame Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well I think we all agree on that. I don't think everyone is banging on the 10-15 game win streaks we have had in the past, but rather 7-8 game winning streaks here and there. Every good team goes on win streaks, whether it's 5 to 15, and they do it regularly. We're only 7 games under .500. No need to totally break down and panic yet. Season is still relatively early.



How many seasons did they wallow at the bottom with Iverson? After a 49 win season and 29 games into thise season we should call it quits? That's just harsh. The trio deserves more than that. Jason Kidd deserves more than that.



That's an awefully optimistic view of the Knicks. What I see is a future of Frye and possibly Curry and a lot of bad parts. Marbury has picked up as of late, but I don't think they are a team to be worried about. The Celtics look good as well as Toronto, but I don't think anyone is penciling the Knicks as a future good to great team. Not with Nate Robinson, Jamal Crawford being there.



I wasn't aware we fell before. We went to the playoffs the last two seasons and we were beat out by the eventual champs last season. The future of the Nets is solid with Richard, Nenad, Marcus, Hasaan, and Boone. It's not great, but that's a core that can last us for another 5-8 seasons if need be.


Blowing up the Nets at this point just show weak will and ability. Yeah, we've been a disappointment so far, but we've been in this situation before and we've succeeded. We aren't a contender, and no one said we were going to be at the beginning of the season. We've been an inconsistent team for as long as Jason Kidd has been here, with spurts of being an unstoppable team. Hold out, give the trio a year to show what they are worth. If anything, Jason deserves that. He's earned it. He's been the franchise savior and deserves to retire a Net. It's still early in the season, we're only 2 games back of the Titanic division. We're going to be ok.</div>

If you're content on just making the playoffs, then yes, I agree keep the trio together. However, if the goal is to win a Championship, then the Nets need to break the trio up, because they are far from being a title contender. It's time to start over and get what you can to rebuild a championship team.

I bring up Iverson, because he's the classic example of teams holding on for too, long. They had settle for a lot less than what Iverson could have landed them 1 or 2 seasons ago.

The Knicks have some nice pieces on their roster, and the right coach could get this team right back into the post-season. Curry, Frye, Lee this is a solid frontcourt, and they'll add another talented player in the 2007 draft.

IMO the Nets should trade all three, Kidd, Carter, and Jefferson. Without Kidd, the Nets can't justify paying RJ franchise type money, because he's not a franchise caliber player.

 

[Next Level Game]

It's easy to say "break it up" and "start over", but it's a lot harder to do. This team is so close to being a contender. When we first nailed SAR, everyone was pointing at us as a contender or darkhorse atleast. So the talent and skill level is there. We're so close and probably one big piece away and to break that up is too........dumb, in my opinion. Showing that we can make it to the playoffs, go to the second round puts us at ECF level, it's just a matter of building and taking calculated steps. You don't climb Everest and stop 3/4 away and go back down cause it's snowing too hard or other bleak weather conditions.

 

[NJNetz]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">justify paying RJ franchise type money, because he's not a franchise caliber player.</div>

Well when Kidd was injured and Vince was still in Toronto, RJ was averaging 22 ppg. That was before he got injured and Vince arrived.

So saying he isn't a franchise caliber player is debatable.

 

[AMS_ICE]

<div class="quote_poster">nextlevelgame Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It's easy to say "break it up" and "start over", but it's a lot harder to do. This team is so close to being a contender. When we first nailed SAR, everyone was pointing at us as a contender or darkhorse atleast. So the talent and skill level is there. We're so close and probably one big piece away and to break that up is too........dumb, in my opinion. Showing that we can make it to the playoffs, go to the second round puts us at ECF level, it's just a matter of building and taking calculated steps. You don't climb Everest and stop 3/4 away and go back down cause it's snowing too hard or other bleak weather conditions.</div>

I agree. But I just don't see the Nets management doing anything soon. They have to make a move now. The way I see it, their looking at Brooklyn more than anything else.