tl;dr article about what to do with Oden

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No way man. Ya lost me when you wrote this; "Easy. Don’t think, just do. Offer Greg Oden a 6-year maximum contract the day the Finals end." I'm glad Rich Cho is GM, he has not lost his mind on this matter.
 
LOL. The point of the next 2000 words was the thinking part.
 
i am in the camp of do whatever it takes to keep him
 
We'd be the laughing stock of the league. There is a pretty stark difference between paying what it takes to keep him, and giving him the max.
 
I really hope someone offers him a long term deal so we can match it.
 
For the record, I think Cho was smart enough to understand that there is serious backlash regarding the MIA and NYK situation where players were trying to create their own all-star teams and that situation will affect the new CBA. I suspect it will be more difficult--not less difficult--for GO to be able to leave without a serious financial hit to him and/or a serious talent hit to his new team (in terms of compensation to the Blazers).

As for me, I preparing for the worst but hoping for the best regarding GO. I'm going to wait until the new CBA comes out to arrive at a conclusion.
 
TBH, I'm more concerned about potentially losing Batum, than I am about Oden.
 
Why are people advocating hamstringing this team with a contract potentially as worthless as Brandon's? Didn't this team (and this fanbase) learn its lesson?
 
We'd be the laughing stock of the league. There is a pretty stark difference between paying what it takes to keep him, and giving him the max.

It removes ALL risk of him leaving before 6 years without us getting any compensation for him. Every other option entail him being able to leave this time next year for Bupkus, if we make it that long.

Either bite a 100M bullet (which really isn't that bad if you think he might play) and guarantee he's a Blazer for 6 years, or watch him play his prime in another uniform. I'm not saying it's easy, but there's not a whole lot of middle ground here.
 
Why are people advocating hamstringing this team with a contract potentially as worthless as Brandon's? Didn't this team (and this fanbase) learn its lesson?

Nope. It's also "potentially a Hall of Famer". Depends on your view of how much Oden will play, and whether you want his prime to be here, or somewhere else for nothing in return. And as I said, no one's "hamstringing" this team with Roy and LMA here. We're not getting under the cap by more than the MLE anytime in the near future without seriously rebuilding, and then it doesn't matter b/c Roy, LMA and Wallace will be gone.
 
yes there is middle ground lol, basically we over pay for him, but not to that extreme...lets say he plays this season out on the QO and hits ufa, THEN we knock his socks off with an offer
 
If he's UFA he's not coming back. I wrote about why in the article. We lose him for maybe a 2nd rounder or something. And how do you knock his socks off then, but not now?
 
For the record, I think Cho was smart enough to understand that there is serious backlash regarding the MIA and NYK situation where players were trying to create their own all-star teams and that situation will affect the new CBA. I suspect it will be more difficult--not less difficult--for GO to be able to leave without a serious financial hit to him and/or a serious talent hit to his new team (in terms of compensation to the Blazers).

As for me, I preparing for the worst but hoping for the best regarding GO. I'm going to wait until the new CBA comes out to arrive at a conclusion.

What backlash? TV ratings were up 30% over last season for the first-round of the playoffs, and 37% for the regular season, and even attendance showed a small overall increase, while the cost of tickets went up over 2009-10.

If anything, the owners may want more "superteams", since it seems to be making them money.
 
Why are people advocating hamstringing this team with a contract potentially as worthless as Brandon's? Didn't this team (and this fanbase) learn its lesson?

Oden is a blank canvass, and fans can project whatever hopes and dreams that they have for the team on Greg and his future. Brandon is a known quantity who is regressing, so he is an easy target for fans to project whatever frustrations and anger they have with the team.

I think it's as simple as this.
 
Why are people advocating hamstringing this team with a contract potentially as worthless as Brandon's? Didn't this team (and this fanbase) learn its lesson?

I don't see it that way. First, any big contract you offer an NBA veteran has the potential to end up being a bad contract. It's a high risk business. OTH, I'd rather see the team take a risk on a player who has the potential to be a real difference maker over giving contracts to the types of mid-level talent that are otherwise likely to be available to the team in the next few years. The Blazers are stuck in mediocre-ville at the moment. No chance at another lottery pick. No cap space to sign a significant free agent, plus the lack of big market appeal to woo such a talent. Not enough assets to have a realistic shot at a trade for a franchise-level player.

Cho can tinker with the role players and improve the Blazers chances of winning a first round series, but I just don't see anything out there that is realistically obtainable that would put the Blazers into title contention with the single exception of re-signing Oden and having him able to contribute at a significant level for a few years. As long as the medical experts are giving him something close to a green light, I'd say it would be irresponsible to let Oden get away. I'm not sure that you have to go all-in on a max-level contract in order to retain Oden, but I'd assume that Cho has a much better idea about that than I do.
 
If the OP's position is valid, then the smart move would have been to max Oden out last summer. I'm positive he would have accepted it, and it would have saved the Blazers a year of a guaranteed contract.

So ... just more evidence to me that Cho and the Gang have botched a situation that didn't need to be botched.
 
With all the talk about a hard cap, we might be forced to let him go next summer.

lol yeah right after miami lets go of bosh, and the lakers get rid of pau and odom, etc
 
I don't see it that way. First, any big contract you offer an NBA veteran has the potential to end up being a bad contract. It's a high risk business. OTH, I'd rather see the team take a risk on a player who has the potential to be a real difference maker over giving contracts to the types of mid-level talent that are otherwise likely to be available to the team in the next few years. The Blazers are stuck in mediocre-ville at the moment. No chance at another lottery pick. No cap space to sign a significant free agent, plus the lack of big market appeal to woo such a talent. Not enough assets to have a realistic shot at a trade for a franchise-level player.

Cho can tinker with the role players and improve the Blazers chances of winning a first round series, but I just don't see anything out there that is realistically obtainable that would put the Blazers into title contention with the single exception of re-signing Oden and having him able to contribute at a significant level for a few years. As long as the medical experts are giving him something close to a green light, I'd say it would be irresponsible to let Oden get away. I'm not sure that you have to go all-in on a max-level contract in order to retain Oden, but I'd assume that Cho has a much better idea about that than I do.

Based on Oden not offered an extension to even say "no" to last summer, and knowing that Oden could accept the Q.O. for next season and leave the Blazers after the season, I'm guessing that Cho didn't have a better idea on how to handle Oden last summer. It's one of the risks in bringing in an unproven GM, and it could come back to even further harm this franchise's already uncertain future.
 
What backlash? TV ratings were up 30% over last season for the first-round of the playoffs, and 37% for the regular season, and even attendance showed a small overall increase, while the cost of tickets went up over 2009-10.

If anything, the owners may want more "superteams", since it seems to be making them money.

For the simple reason that it's good for a few owners, but not for them all. Ask Herb Kohl, the Maloof brothers or Dan Gilbert how they feel about their current situation. I bet their argument would be that the NFL should be the model, which gets record ratings by having great teams in places like Green Bay and Pittsburgh. You don't need the Giants, Jets, Bears to go far in the playoffs or even a franchise in LA to dominate professional sports. The last thing the NBA owners want to see is what's happened to MLB; where smaller franchises are just farm teams for the glamour franchises.
 
If the OP's position is valid, then the smart move would have been to max Oden out last summer. I'm positive he would have accepted it, and it would have saved the Blazers a year of a guaranteed contract.

So ... just more evidence to me that Cho and the Gang have botched a situation that didn't need to be botched.

That's a valid point, and one we were talking about in October. Not "maxing" him, but making it worth his while to stay.
 
Based on Oden not offered an extension to even say "no" to last summer, and knowing that Oden could accept the Q.O. for next season and leave the Blazers after the season, I'm guessing that Cho didn't have a better idea on how to handle Oden last summer. It's one of the risks in bringing in an unproven GM, and it could come back to even further harm this franchise's already uncertain future.

do we know that he wasnt offered one? i hadnt heard one way or another
 
do we know that he wasnt offered one? i hadnt heard one way or another

The company line was that both sides decided not to negotiate last summer. How Oden's side can decide this, when it's up to Portland to make an initial offer, is another story. Mike Conley Sr. also said that the Blazers didn't offer an extension, and Portland hasn't refuted those recent comments.
 
Based on Oden not offered an extension to even say "no" to last summer, and knowing that Oden could accept the Q.O. for next season and leave the Blazers after the season, I'm guessing that Cho didn't have a better idea on how to handle Oden last summer. It's one of the risks in bringing in an unproven GM, and it could come back to even further harm this franchise's already uncertain future.

That's still conjecture on your part as to what happened last October, PapaG. Since none of us were party to the discussions, we have no way of knowing what was said and whether Greg felt he was slighted by the Blazers. All I know is that reports at the time were that both sides agreed not to enter into contract extension discussions because of the uncertainty of Greg's status coming back from a major injury. My reading is that the Blazers weren't comfortable then offering a max deal and Greg didn't want to settle for less than that, instead hoping to prove he was worth a max contract by his play this past season. Since both sides knew that the Blazers would have another chance to offer a max contract before June 30, I don't think that it's likely that Greg was particularly offended by putting it off until then. Unfortunately, another microfracture surgery put that scenario out of the picture. Still, I don't see any reason to believe that Greg is so offended by the turn of events that he'd pass on a max contract if one were offered. Since that's all conjecture on my part, I guess we'll just have to agree to wait and see how it plays out.
 

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