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ummm Yes I see the short view they take. Did you read the Carbon Tax bill Obama wanted to pass? It failed, I am not sure even one Democrat voted for it but it did have some very curious things in it about burning.

I burn wood here to heat my house. I use the stuff grown on my place here every year. I am not sure yet whether I keep up or clean up as much as is grown but what ever.
Under the carbon tax system I would have to pay a tax for burning the wood but I get no credit for planting trees which take in the CO2. Sort of a one way deal in my view. But the weird thing is, the wood will produce the CO2 rotting where it lay even if I don't burn it, the CO2 is produced.

These solutions are the solutions that the Democrats want and I really don't think they are solutions at all. I think they want another way to get a hand in my pocket, your pocket too. Carbon is recycled with or without a mans participation.

Then look at the distribution of some of these monies collected (UN view) by taxing men in participating in the carbon recycle process. It goes to people in other places not to you or me.
I don't want to play this game
 
ummm Yes I see the short view they take. Did you read the Carbon Tax bill Obama wanted to pass? It failed, I am not sure even one Democrat voted for it but it did have some very curious things in it about burning.

I burn wood here to heat my house. I use the stuff grown on my place here every year. I am not sure yet whether I keep up or clean up as much as is grown but what ever.
Under the carbon tax system I would have to pay a tax for burning the wood but I get no credit for planting trees which take in the CO2. Sort of a one way deal in my view. But the weird thing is, the wood will produce the CO2 rotting where it lay even if I don't burn it, the CO2 is produced.

These solutions are the solutions that the Democrats want and I really don't think they are solutions at all. I think they want another way to get a hand in my pocket, your pocket too. Carbon is recycled with or without a mans participation.

Then look at the distribution of some of these monies collected (UN view) by taxing men in participating in the carbon recycle process. It goes to people in other places not to you or me.
I don't want to play this game

I don't know enough details, but the specific subject you mention is unfair, I agree.
 
Physicist: Don't fall for the argument about 'settled science'

By Michael Guillen, Ph.D. | Fox News

Why climate change won't be a winning issue for Democrats in the new Congress

The public's concern about global warming has remained below 45 percent while progressive Democrats push a green agenda on Capitol Hill.

I am dismayed to hear that NBC’s “Meet The Press” is actually blaming science for its decision to shut down any intelligent, meaningful discussion about climate change. “We’re not going to give time to climate deniers,” the show’s host recently said, referring to people, including Nobel laureates, who disagree that humans are mostly to blame for altering Earth’s climate. “The science is settled even if political opinion is not.”

For the record I’m neither a “denier” or an “alarmist.” I’m a physicist who does his very best to seek the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I’m also a journalist who’s been covering the complexities of the climate change story since the 1980s, even reporting directly from the north and south poles, where much of the climate research is done.

My point here is not to debate the merits of today’s resolute scientific consensus that humans are having a decisive, apocalyptic impact on the climate. It might very well be correct.

My point is that if you are absolutely, 100 percent convinced it is – as evidently the producers of the aforementioned news show are – you have a right to say your mind is settled, or your politics are settled. But never say the science of this or any equally complex subject is “settled.”

That crucial lesson was learned centuries ago, when something far simpler than Earth’s mercurial climate was being hotly debated. Back then the scientific community was convinced beyond any doubt that our planet was at the center of the universe. In the sixteenth century, Nicolaus Copernicus – a “geocentric denier,” to use today’s pejorative labeling – was derided for believing the sun was at the center of everything.

Mainstream scientists and university professors of the day proclaimed the science was settled and justified their “evidence-based” derision of Copernicus by citing the mountain of observational data in favor of the geocentric consensus. Tragically, if NBC had been around, the good Mr. Copernicus would not have been allowed to argue his case on "Meet The Press."

Ditto for that other notorious geocentric denier, Galileo Galilei. In the early seventeenth century even the Catholic Church – which had long since reconciled scripture with science’s earth-centered consensus – condemned Galileo for his wayward thinking. Declaring that both science and scripture were settled, Pope Urban VIII’s chief inquisitor sentenced the aged astronomer to house arrest – but only after shaming him into publicly recanting his denial of geocentricism.

The list is long and sobering of examples in history where resolute scientific consensuses have been disproven. And, worse, disproven only after “deniers” had been crushed and even destroyed for touting nonconforming interpretations of available evidence. Altogether the lesson should be crystal clear: science – which I believe to be the most brilliant discipline we have for understanding the physical universe – is fallible and, therefore, always open to debate.

The "Meet The Press’" policy is pointedly and dangerously unscientific. And so are the calls by like-minded individuals to not just silence but punish anyone who dares to challenge the consensus of human-caused climate change – all allegedly in the name of science.

“I think that denying climate change is a crime against humanity,” says comedian Eric Idle, not joking. “And they should be held accountable in a World Court.”

Bill Nye – another commentator, but with an undergraduate degree in mechanical engineering – agrees, saying, “this extreme doubt about climate change is affecting my quality of life as a public citizen. So I can see where people are very concerned about this, and they’re pursuing criminal investigations …”

“The scientific consensus is in, and the argument is now over,” proclaims actor Leonardo Di Caprio. “If you do not believe in climate change, you do not believe in facts, or in science or empirical truths and therefore, in my humble opinion, should not be allowed to hold public office.”

Albert Einstein once faced a similar kind of repulsive, benighted lynch mob. In his day, the scientific establishment resolutely believed that time and space were absolutes and cited as incontrovertible proof a vast literature of peer-reviewed, published studies. Collectively, mainstream scientists mocked Einstein’s belief that space and time were relative – some calling it “Jewish science,” a particularly hateful way of smearing the young space-time denier.

Yet, as everyone now knows, Einstein – like Copernicus, Galileo, and scores of other vindicated “deniers” over the centuries – ultimately disproved the vaunted scientific consensus.

By all means, vet your guests carefully – avoid the uncredentialed nut jobs and purely political partisans. But, above all, heed Einstein’s wise words about how science really works. “No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right,” he observed, “a single experiment can prove me wrong.”
 
Did you even read the article, DaLincoln?

Thank you, though, for proving my point.
Some people won't see logic and the result thereof for all the tea in China.
My Alabama grandfather told my grandmother not to look through her reading glasses too often or she would wear them out. Do you expect people like this to understand even elementary reasoning?
 
We all know mass genocide is the only true solution to climate change.
We do? Well, don't count me as one of those advocates.
How about wind, solar and nuclear power?
There are discoveries yet to be made. I remember making LEDs in our Solid State Devices lab in college. We thought they were only good for displaying one color because it would be impossible to make any other coler. Now, they make LED TVs and they are excellent. They also use very little power. By the way, an LED is just a reverse biased diode in a silicon wafer.
 
We do? Well, don't count me as one of those advocates.
How about wind, solar and nuclear power?
There are discoveries yet to be made. I remember making LEDs in our Solid State Devices lab in college. We thought they were only good for displaying one color because it would be impossible to make any other coler. Now, they make LED TVs and they are excellent. They also use very little power. By the way, an LED is just a reverse biased diode in a silicon wafer.

The population is growing exponentially. There is no way the earth can sustain this kind of growth.

Recycling and using green enegry won't do shit if there isnt aggressive population control.

It took over 200,000 years of human history for the world's population to reach 1 billion and only 200 years more to reach 7 billion. We will have 20 billion people on earth faster than you think.
 
The population is growing exponentially. There is no way the earth can sustain this kind of growth.

Recycling and using green enegry won't do shit if there isnt aggressive population control.

It took over 200,000 years of human history for the world's population to reach 1 billion and only 200 years more to reach 7 billion. We will have 20 billion people on earth faster than you think.
All those extra people are causing the gravity of the sun to pull the Earth closer to it just like too many troops will cause Guam to tip over.

I should run for congress.
 
The population is growing exponentially. There is no way the earth can sustain this kind of growth.

Recycling and using green enegry won't do shit if there isnt aggressive population control.

It took over 200,000 years of human history for the world's population to reach 1 billion and only 200 years more to reach 7 billion. We will have 20 billion people on earth faster than you think.
Well, we're never going to start exterminating people.
We can, in fact, support a much larger population if we just start thinking. Wind, solar, nuclear, hydroponic ponds, etc.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/01/11/2EF3E74F00000578-0-image-a-12_1448968348698.jpg
 
Well, we're never going to start exterminating people.
We can, in fact, support a much larger population if we just start thinking. Wind, solar, nuclear, hydroponic ponds, etc.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/01/11/2EF3E74F00000578-0-image-a-12_1448968348698.jpg

We won't, but the Chinese will eventually. But we will all be Chinese.

No, we cannot support a much larger population. If Climate Change is occurring, the power generated has to be increased exponentially while having a reduced net carbon footprint. And that doesn't even take into account things like waste, food consumption, pollution, etc.
 
Global warming/Climate change is an illogical argument, it only separates the two parties. I personally find climate change to be the more illogical argument, since it is used solely as weapon to try to discredit the opposition rather than a format to engage them in any serious discussion on the subject matter. If people truly believe in climate change, why is it that none of them are putting forth a plan to halt said climate change?
 
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We won't, but the Chinese will eventually. But we will all be Chinese.

No, we cannot support a much larger population. If Climate Change is occurring, the power generated has to be increased exponentially while having a reduced net carbon footprint. And that doesn't even take into account things like waste, food consumption, pollution, etc.
Have you seen how Scotland has started producing electricity for tidal changes? Then there's hydro-thermal which is virtually limitless.
Electric cars, plenty of power to desalinize seawater and pump it inland to irrigate a hell of a lot more land.
Even natural gas is a huge improvement over coal. And with coal you get that filthy air, coal mine cafe ins, and black lung disease. My grandfather had black lung disease from mining coal in Alabama. I think he got a whopping $30 /month in the mid 60s. That might have been what killed him. Hard to tell, he liked to brawl, never lost a fight, he smoked plenty of unfiltered cigarettes, drank Alabama moonshine and ate a lot of fat back and a rural Southern diet rich in fat and fried foods.
No, coal is no good. Only an estimated 50,000 miners left and they're getting black lung disease and dying a horrific death.
 
Have you seen how Scotland has started producing electricity for tidal changes? Then there's hydro-thermal which is virtually limitless.
Electric cars, plenty of power to desalinize seawater and pump it inland to irrigate a hell of a lot more land.
Even natural gas is a huge improvement over coal. And with coal you get that filthy air, coal mine cafe ins, and black lung disease. My grandfather had black lung disease from mining coal in Alabama. I think he got a whopping $30 /month in the mid 60s. That might have been what killed him. Hard to tell, he liked to brawl, never lost a fight, he smoked plenty of unfiltered cigarettes, drank Alabama moonshine and ate a lot of fat back and a rural Southern diet rich in fat and fried foods.
No, coal is no good. Only an estimated 50,000 miners left and they're getting black lung disease and dying a horrific death.

If the population triples, do you think the power output will triple as well, while actually reducing the net carbon impact?

IF the population triples, do you think we are able to reduce total C02 levels for what they are now (with only 1/3 of the future population)?

By using ocean waves and wind farms?

This is only the next 50 years. The next few hundred years, how many people do you think will be here?
 
If the population triples, do you think the power output will triple as well, while actually reducing the net carbon impact?

IF the population triples, do you think we are able to reduce total C02 levels for what they are now (with only 1/3 of the future population)?

By using ocean waves and wind farms?

This is only the next 50 years. The next few hundred years, how many people do you think will be here?
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Sorry, there is no way 20 billion people will have a smaller carbon footprint than 7 billion people. To believe so is simply delusional
There is no way we get to 20 billion people without an airborne virus wiping out the bulk of them....nature does some house cleaning on it's own...it's arrogant to think humans control everything that's going to happen. The strain on the food sources and resources in general would cause massive wars....leading to anarchy and tribalism surrounded by destruction.....I've seen all these movies...volcanos, floods, tsunamis, hurricanes, drought, disease....buckle up! Los Angeles will be ground zero for the zombie apocalypse...you being a foodie, won't turn out well when it comes down! Plenty of crazies will eat each other when they get hungry....this is why you buy lots of ammo now
 
If global warming is some conspiracy theory just wait until your neighbors go back to burning all their garbage in barrels in the back yard....take a deep breath! that's the smell of domination!
 
There is no way we get to 20 billion people without an airborne virus wiping out the bulk of them....nature does some house cleaning on it's own...it's arrogant to think humans control everything that's going to happen. The strain on the food sources and resources in general would cause massive wars....leading to anarchy and tribalism surrounded by destruction.....I've seen all these movies...volcanos, floods, tsunamis, hurricanes, drought, disease....buckle up! Los Angeles will be ground zero for the zombie apocalypse...you being a foodie, won't turn out well when it comes down! Plenty of crazies will eat each other when they get hungry....this is why you buy lots of ammo now

I'll be in vegas in the next 5 years (with my vacation pad in LA)
 
Global warming/Climate change is an illogical argument, it only separates the two parties. I personally find climate change to be the more illogical argument, since it is used solely as weapon to try to discredit the opposition rather than a format to engage them in any serious discussion on the subject matter. If people truly believe in climate change, why is it that none of them are putting forth a plan to halt said climate change?
The rich California environmentalist leaves his swanky LA office to attend a climate change meeting and walks though shit, needles and garbage on the sidewalk and could care less.
 
The rich California environmentalist leaves his swanky LA office to attend a climate change meeting and walks though shit, needles and garbage on the sidewalk and could care less.

The rich would never walk. Ubers everywhere.
 
Here is a really good financial tip that I've recently discover, the Cap'N Crunch Christmas Crunch cereal tastes exactly the the same as regular Cap'N Crunch but it's 75% off at Safeway since Christmas is over.
 
environmental protection starts at home....I'm personally going to build a wall that S2 will pay for
 

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