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I laid this all out a while back - never claiming it was impossible for ANY team to EVER have a winning record with a minus run differential but DID point out how rare it was to finish in FIRST PLACE without a PLUS run differentials....an obvious stat/number accumulated by teams having a good winning record over the course of 162 games and has, and still does come with specifically staggering overwhelming frequency for WS teams.

Just take a look, do the math over the course of 10-15-20-25...ect...years and count how many possible "first place" teams there were, and how many DID or did NOT have a plus run differential....then do the same with WS teams over the years and see how many of the participating teams had MINUS run differentials for the regular season.

It's plain to see the evidence and frequency of this "number" popping up along with those teams. It's just one of those things.....I never intended it to be a major discussion (at THAT time) until some actually joked about it being some kind of flimsy non substantiated "number" (stat) that goes along with first place and WS teams.
 
Very doubtful you will find much if any. Especially since those years didn't include the expanded playoff formats. 2006 Cards are the closest I can think of.
 
Mattingly23NY said:
Thanks 59, you beat me to it. Can you think of any team who has either Won a W.S. or even Lost a W.S. with a worse Run Differential....?

Feel free to jump in, the waters fine, and no sharks in sight, .....yet....!!:boat:
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Not going to find too many WS participants who finished the reg season with MINUS run differentials.
It could be, and probably is one of the more predictable "stats" you can associate with WS teams.

And if we want to stretch things and make it easier for those who don't buy into the creedence of this "number".... perhaps we can help them out by allowing AT LEAST a 15-20 plus run diff. lol
Nah, let's leave it as it is..plain old simple "PLUS" run diff.
The only thing more sure and "predictable" is the color of the grass on the field?
Lol.
 
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Could not get the run differential but the '73 Mets under Yogi won a weak East with 82 wins, turned the "Big Red Machine" into the "Little Red Wagon" then too a heavily favored A's Team to a WS game 7.
 
Yankeefan5545 said:
Could not get the run differential but the '73 Mets under Yogi won a weak East with 82 wins, turned the "Big Red Machine" into the "Little Red Wagon" then too a heavily favored A's Team to a WS game 7.
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608 Runs and 588 Runs Against
 
Cool, thank you, I actually wanted to win that series for Willie & Yogi but not to be.
 
After reviewing all Teams who went to Post Season's in the last 25 years; focusing on their over/under Runs Differentials, I can't find any additional team's with a minus Run Differential, that went on to P.S. play........(or like Vic said, such information with the "expanded PS play format, thus I'm looking for any Run Diff, by any team, who simply won their Division Pennants, with a minus Run Diff).....

On the other end, what I've found even more amazing, was the 1998 Yanx +309 Run Differential, (boy were the 90s great!!!),

compared with-

1961 Yanx: +215 Runs Differential

1927 Murder's Row + 376 Run Differentials.......... (Murder's Row, the best cliche title, ever to be labeled by any MLB Team, IMO)......

over time, I'm gonna' look to see What if any Teams, who may of even came close to these 3 Classic, and IMO, best Teams to ever play the game......
 
Mattingly23NY said:
Thanks 59, you beat me to it. Can you think of any team who has either Won a W.S. or even Lost a W.S. with a worse Run Differential....?

Feel free to jump in, the waters fine, and no sharks in sight, .....yet....!!:boat:
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...the sharks in these parts have no teeth and are mute.
 
...in addition to seeing the movie, anybody else read the book?

...I seem to remember that Hooper nailed Brodie's wife in the book version.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...in addition to seeing the movie, anybody else read the book?

...I seem to remember that Hooper nailed Brodie's wife in the book version.
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Correct and Hooper dies at the end of the book as well. In fact the book gets downright trashy.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...the sharks in these parts have no teeth and are mute.
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:blink: :clap: :roflmao::roflmao:

I heard Georgia Gators don't bite either; and are quit well mannered pets in public.......(its the people in their mouths that move, flounder and flail, causing themselves injury)???? :notworthy2:
 
yankeesince59 said:
...in addition to seeing the movie, anybody else read the book?

...I seem to remember that Hooper nailed Brodie's wife in the book version.
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Nah, I didn't read the book. I did take the Universal Studios Tram Tour, in the very early 80s. Had my 3 yr old Niece sitting in my lap comfortable and content; when the Tram drove over the waters bridge, then stopped altogether; as the ride appears to have the bridge break, then sink a couple feet.

While the Tram is Sitting on the bridge of their small lake (small pond), side of the Tram, the bridge gives, and just then, Jaws is mechanically propelled to come shooting out of the water, right within 3 feet of the Tram. My Niece being too young to know better, Screamed holy hell, jumped out of my lap, did a 180 in the air, and stuck the perfect landing, now facing me, and holding on to my neck for dear life.......

Scared the shit literally right out of her too.....that's when I handed her back to Mom.........
 
Mattingly23NY said:
After reviewing all Teams who went to Post Season's in the last 25 years; focusing on their over/under Runs Differentials, I can't find any additional team's with a minus Run Differential, that went on to P.S. play........(or like Vic said, such information with the "expanded PS play format, thus I'm looking for any Run Diff, by any team, who simply won their Division Pennants, with a minus Run Diff).....

On the other end, what I've found even more amazing, was the 1998 Yanx +309 Run Differential, (boy were the 90s great!!!),

compared with-

1961 Yanx: +215 Runs Differential

1927 Murder's Row + 376 Run Differentials.......... (Murder's Row, the best cliche title, ever to be labeled by any MLB Team, IMO)......

over time, I'm gonna' look to see What if any Teams, who may of even came close to these 3 Classic, and IMO, best Teams to ever play the game......
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Whenever all time GREAT Yankee and any other teams are discussed and compared statistically and for pure "greatness" accomplishments, it's always a good idea to revisit perhaps - probably the most underappreciated Greatest most overlooked team in MLB history -
1939 Yankees. 106-45
Swept the WS.
Lead league in Runs, HRs, OBP, SLG%, OPS
Lead league in ERA, WHIP, Shutouts
Best Home record, best Road record.
Best W-L record vs LHP and RHP
53-22 in the first half, 53- 23 in the 2nd half- each best.

Run Differential: +411
 
Mattingly23NY said:
After reviewing all Teams who went to Post Season's in the last 25 years; focusing on their over/under Runs Differentials, I can't find any additional team's with a minus Run Differential, that went on to P.S. play........(or like Vic said, such information with the "expanded PS play format, thus I'm looking for any Run Diff, by any team, who simply won their Division Pennants, with a minus Run Diff).....

On the other end, what I've found even more amazing, was the 1998 Yanx +309 Run Differential, (boy were the 90s great!!!),

compared with-

1961 Yanx: +215 Runs Differential

1927 Murder's Row + 376 Run Differentials.......... (Murder's Row, the best cliche title, ever to be labeled by any MLB Team, IMO)......

over time, I'm gonna' look to see What if any Teams, who may of even came close to these 3 Classic, and IMO, best Teams to ever play the game......
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Whenever all time GREAT Yankee and any other teams are discussed and compared statistically and for pure "greatness" accomplishments, it's always a good idea to revisit perhaps - probably the most underappreciated Greatest most overlooked team in MLB history -
1939 Yankees. 106-45
Swept the WS.
Lead league in Runs, HRs, OBP, SLG%, OPS
Lead league in ERA, WHIP, Shutouts
Best Home record, best Road record.
Best W-L record vs LHP and RHP
53-22 in the first half, 53- 23 in the 2nd half- each best.

Run Differential: +411



oops, sorry for the duplication....'39 Yanks were worth it. lol
 
"You go in the cage, the cage goes in the water, the sharks in the water.................................."
 
mr hooper that's the uss indianapolis
 
Mattingly23NY said:
:blink: :clap: :roflmao::roflmao:

I heard Georgia Gators don't bite either; and are quit well mannered pets in public.......(its the people in their mouths that move, flounder and flail, causing themselves injury)???? :notworthy2:
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...lol...yeah, that's about the size of it.
 
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