To make the off-season complete

[magnifier661]

Trade Matthews and cap space for a sign and trade for Iggy.

New starting line up:

Pg: Lillard
Sg: Iggy
Sf: batum
Pf: Aldridge
Center: Lopez

Key reserves:

CJ, Barton, claver, drob, Leonard

I can definitely be fine with that!!!!

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

Iggy is going to CONTINUE to decline over the next 4 years.

I'd rather get someone who is younger and better offensively.

Don't need Batum Sr. playing with Batum Jr. Need SOME aggression and killer instinct.

I like the Granger idea more.

And D Rob? David Robinson ain't walkin thru that door

 

[magnifier661]

Dammit I meant trob!!!!

And the Iggy situation is still good for many reasons.

1.) he is a slasher and distributor

2.) he defends really well

3.) he's very good at setting up big men in the post.

The age is a factor; but the advantage is he is also wiser. He's heady and can teach things to our youngsters. Also, when batum is out; we still can have a batum on the court. They can swap playing time at sf too.

 

[Natebishop3]

Dammit I meant trob!!!!

And the Iggy situation is still good for many reasons.

1.) he is a slasher and distributor

2.) he defends really well

3.) he's very good at setting up big men in the post.

The age is a factor; but the advantage is he is also wiser. He's heady and can teach things to our youngsters. Also, when batum is out; we still can have a batum on the court. They can swap playing time at sf too.

I'm not against Iggy, I think he would be a good pickup, but I think he mirrors too much of what Batum does for the team. We need a scorer. We need someone who can pickup the load if Dame and Aldridge are either out of the game or are cold from the floor.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Hello Gerald Wallace - The Sequel...

BNM

 

[magnifier661]

I'm not against Iggy, I think he would be a good pickup, but I think he mirrors too much of what Batum does for the team. We need a scorer. We need someone who can pickup the load if Dame and Aldridge are either out of the game or are cold from the floor.

But what I was thinking is batum or Iggy can carry the load on different nights. If one has an off night, the other steps up. It's using odds that at least one of them can score/

 

[magnifier661]

Hello Gerald Wallace - The Sequel...

BNM

I actually liked Gerald Wallace. He was actually really good for us for his time here. And when Wallace came; our shooting wasn't as consistent as it is now. It will work

 

[Natebishop3]

But what I was thinking is batum or Iggy can carry the load on different nights. If one has an off night, the other steps up. It's using odds that at least one of them can score/

I still think I like Granger better, if Indy can be convinced to deal him. He's not on a ridiculous contract (13 million), and he only has one year left so if he doesn't work out, we have the cap space.

 

[magnifier661]

I still think I like Granger better, if Indy can be convinced to deal him. He's not on a ridiculous contract (13 million), and he only has one year left so if he doesn't work out, we have the cap space.

I just don't see Indy giving him up until they try and use him first.

 

[RR7]

But what I was thinking is batum or Iggy can carry the load on different nights. If one has an off night, the other steps up. It's using odds that at least one of them can score/

Problem is that he's not a good outside shooter, so immediately you make things slightly more crowded for Lillard to operate. Giving him 4/48 or whatever seems like way too much money to tie up. Especially with the rel possiblity that LMA can leave in 2 years, giving us a 32 year old severely declining AI making 13 million dollars in 3 years.

 

[Natebishop3]

I just don't see Indy giving him up until they try and use him first.

He's redundant. George is a small forward. They need a shooting guard, and Matthews would fit in nicely with their concept of hard-nosed defense. The trade makes sense for both teams. We can slide Batum to shooting guard and let Granger bomb away when they double Aldridge and Dame.

 

[magnifier661]

He's redundant. George is a small forward. They need a shooting guard, and Matthews would fit in nicely with their concept of hard-nosed defense. The trade makes sense for both teams. We can slide Batum to shooting guard and let Granger bomb away when they double Aldridge and Dame.

I'm not as opposed to getting granger either btw. If we get either, I think this offseason would be a home run.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Iggy is a better player than Matthews in many, but not all respects. He's a better passer and a better athlete, and a better defender.

BUT:
Matthews is cheaper. Probably half the price or less.
Matthews is younger (by nearly 3 years).
Matthews has been with the team for a while (which counts for something).
Matthews is much more fiery.
Matthews is a better, more frequent, clutcher three point shooter.
Matthews is a much better FT shooter.

I really think this offseason should have knocked a good deal off Iggy's price. He was pretty much invisible in their meek dismissal.

 

[RR7]

He's redundant. George is a small forward. They need a shooting guard, and Matthews would fit in nicely with their concept of hard-nosed defense. The trade makes sense for both teams. We can slide Batum to shooting guard and let Granger bomb away when they double Aldridge and Dame.

I don't see why we can just move Batum to SG, but they can't do the same with George? Especially since they did that previously, when Granger was healthy.

 

[Natebishop3]

I'm not as opposed to getting granger either btw. If we get either, I think this offseason would be a home run.

That's what I think we need. At least one home run. We need a legit third option. We don't have one right now. Granger was one of the top scorers in the league for a while. I don't see why he couldn't get his game back, albeit not the 25ppg he was putting up in 2008-2009.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Granger is Brandon Roy II. He dropped in the draft because of red flags about injuries and now his body is breaking down.

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't see why we can just move Batum to SG, but they can't do the same with George? Especially since they did that previously, when Granger was healthy.

He's a free agent after next season. Matthews is locked in for another year beyond that, and he's half the cost. I think Wes would fit in beautifully in Indiana. I just think it makes sense for them. George is the new star of the team. I don't know.... like I said.... I would inquire about cost and see if Indy is interested in moving him.

 

[Pinwheel1]

He's redundant. George is a small forward. They need a shooting guard, and Matthews would fit in nicely with their concept of hard-nosed defense. The trade makes sense for both teams. We can slide Batum to shooting guard and let Granger bomb away when they double Aldridge and Dame.

Or we can let Wes and Batum bomb away when they double LMA and Dame.
Granger can't stay healthy.

I do think the Iggy idea is decent. A better ball handler and defender is a nice compliment to Dame and CJ in the back court. Those two with Batum and LMA would be pretty damn good. Even if he can't shoot, the other three can.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I'm not against Iggy, I think he would be a good pickup, but I think he mirrors too much of what Batum does for the team. We need a scorer. We need someone who can pickup the load if Dame and Aldridge are either out of the game or are cold from the floor.

I think McCollum will be that instant offense scorer off the bench that can come in and put up a lot of points in a hurry. I'd love to see him embrace a Vinnie Johnson/Manu Ginobili type role where his job is to come in and score, score, score. Hell, Nate Robinson is nobody's idea of a great staring PG, but with Derrick Rose out there were times, both during the regular season and playoffs where Nate's ability to score in bunches completely carried that Chicago team to victory.

I'm not thrilled with relying on a rookie in that role (until he proves he is capable of scoring at the NBA level), but I'm fine with starting Wes at the 2 (he plays good defense and can knock down the open 3) with C.J. playing the 3rd guard/6th man role. If Crabbe is as good as advertized, maybe he can eventually make Wes expendable, but not for an over-the-hill, over-priced, rapidly declining Iggy-type player.

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

Or we can let Wes and Batum bomb away when they double LMA and Dame.
Granger can't stay healthy.

I do think the Iggy idea is decent. A better ball handler and defender is a nice compliment to Dame and CJ in the back court. Those two with Batum and LMA would be pretty damn good. Even if he can't shoot, the other three can.

Well, like I said when I first suggested the Iggy sign-and-trade in another thread, I'm in favor of that deal too if it can get done for Matthews/Freeland/cap space. Not sure if Denver will bite.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I actually liked Gerald Wallace. He was actually really good for us for his time here.

For half a season. Not willing to pay Iggy $14 million a year for 4 years for half a season of good production. He is already declining and will continue to do so, while his salary continues to increase. No thanks!!!

BNM

 

[magnifier661]

For half a season. Not willing to pay Iggy $14 million a year for 4 years for half a season of good production. He is already declining and will continue to do so, while his salary continues to increase. No thanks!!!

BNM

Who knows man... If its Wallace 2.0; that may net us another Lillard!

 

[RR7]

I think they like that he's a free agent because George is up for extension, and with him, Hibbert, West, they can use the savings. Think they think pretty highly of Lance Stephenson as well, who is a lot cheaper than Wes.
I don't see it with Granger. He's a scorer who needs the ball in his hands more to be effective. He doesn't do a whole lot more than Rudy Gay does for a team, really. With a USG% as high as his is, in the 25-28 range when he was a big time scorer, I would sure like to see more than 3 assists per game, but he never even got that. When you have Aldridge and Lillard on your team, you don't want #3 being a guy like Granger, IMO. I don't think offense was our issue last season. Offense from our bench certainly was. But we got 14 a night from Wes and Batum. If McCollum can be a true 6th man, and alleviate the necessity for 2 of our starters to always be the primary scorer, it'll go a long way.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Who knows man... If its Wallace 2.0; that may net us another Lillard!

And if were picking 6th in the draft next year, I guarantee you Aldridge is gone and we are in complete rebuild mode. No thanks. I want to see the playoffs for the next 10 years, not the lottery for 5 more.

BNM

 

[magnifier661]

And if were picking 6th in the draft next year, I guarantee you Aldridge is gone and we are in complete rebuild mode. No thanks. I want to see the playoffs for the next 10 years, not the lottery for 5 more.

BNM

How you figure? We would have the same team, make the playoffs and trade Iggy for #6 in a deep draft? That's not bad brother!

 

[shamelessblazer]

The whole thing hinges on price. He'd be a great fit here as far as game. You'd see his offense open up compared to last year when surrounded by shooters here (Denver has no consistent deep threats), and he'd the ball in his hands more as compared with playing with Lawson and Dre Miller.

His decline will not be as steep as Wallace's because he is such a better passer/moving w/o the ball, etc. And his defense is more about positioning than bodying guys up.

With that said, I think if you can get him for like 4 years, 40 million or 3 years 36 it's very much worth it. But anything above that range does not seem worth it to me, as you're just committing too much.

The problem is, no one knows how much anyone else can offer. I would that that we'd be a more attractive option to him than Sacramento or Detroit. So I guess would he rather play with Curry and the crew in GS, return to Denver, Dallas w/Dirk, or PDX with Lamarcus, and how much of a discount does he take compared to Sacramento or Detroit?

I don't see anyone else offering that 54 mill deal, I think he's probably stuck around 45 mill from here on out.

 

[Rhal]

For half a season. Not willing to pay Iggy $14 million a year for 4 years for half a season of good production. He is already declining and will continue to do so, while his salary continues to increase. No thanks!!!

BNM

He isn't getting that kind of money again. Sacto offered that contract and I doubt anyone else will offer near the same. I would take him on at 11/y for 4 years, he is still right up there with Lebron James and Tony Allen as one of the best wing defenders in the NBA. He doesn't crash around the same as Wallace so his body isn't going to break down as quickly. Just gotta use him correctly because like Wallace his 3% isnt great so standing in the corner waiting for 3's is something you don't have him do(which is something I yelled at my TV all the time about with Wallace, McMillian didn't know how to use a wing who doesn't just stand in a corner and bomb 3s).

 

[RR7]

Denver also had nothing in the way of post options, however. Why would he have/why would we want him to have, the ball in his hands more here? I want Lillard and Aldridge getting touches first, so he'd have a similar issue of Lawson-Lillard.

 

[Rhal]

Denver also had nothing in the way of post options, however. Why would he have/why would we want him to have, the ball in his hands more here? I want Lillard and Aldridge getting touches first, so he'd have a similar issue of Lawson-Lillard.

He can allow Lillard to play off the ball and is great at the entry pass into the post as well as general facilitation. We wouldn't sign him to be a primary ball handler, he is great off the ball as well, but having teammates that can create for others is never a bad thing.

 

[Boob-No-More]

having teammates that can create for others is never a bad thing.

But having over-the-hill, grossly overpaid players on long term contracts is. Do you really want a 34-year old Andre Iguodala making $14 million? Yeah, I know at that point he becomes an expiring contract, but what good has that done us in the past (RLEC)?

BNM