Too much scoring is hurting the game?

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Trailblazers76 said:
I've been thinking about this the last couple years, and this guy breaks it down pretty well:

Are NBA Players Getting Too Good At Basketball? (youtube.com)

Growing up in the mid 80's and 90's the game is so different now. Especially compared to the late 90's, early 2000s. The balance of power has shifted too much towards offense imo, and I'm not sure it's a good thing. Players seem more skilled than ever at scoring. A guy like Joel Prizbilla wouldn't even make an NBA roster today. Eventually scoring milestones and records of past players and teams will be meaningless.

I don't think it's simply a case of lack of defensive effort. That may be part of the issue, but the game has opened up so much more for the offense now it can be hard to tell. So many times throughout a game it looks like a layup drill going on. Or a three point shootout. There's less tension from moment to moment. Less grit.

It's time to give some power back to the D with some rule changes. First fix travelling. So many plays would get called travelling even ten years ago aren't now. It's so common. Guys take like 4 or 5 steps, shuffle their feet, hop, etc. It starts to defeat the purpose of the whole you gotta bounce the ball thing. I heard there was a change to how many steps you can take, but if so it needs to be changed back. Also let's bring back some hand checking. The lack of physicality is boring. I would also extend the 3 point line a couple feet and ditch the sideling 3 all together.

I'm curious if other people have thoughts on this either way.
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Im all for forearm checking but not so much hand checking. Do away with the zone and implement some d rules much like in mid 80"s.
 
Offense too easy, too wide open, too 3-heavy? Eliminate screens outside the 3 point arc.
 
You know what they could do to bring some balance back to the game, is eliminate the 3 seconds in the key rule, or shink the key down to what it once was. That rule tilts things against big men and inside players, while at the same time the 3pt shot tilts things against them. The key was actually widened because of Wilt Chamberlin.

It would bring back more of the post and mid range game.
 
barfo said:
Raise the hoop to 12' and make the rim a bit smaller. Make the court twice as long, put a barrier at half-court that you have to leap over. In the first and fourth quarters, play with an assortment of farm animals on the court. Teams must sub in randomly chosen fans at random times BY THE OPPOSING TEAM during a game when a gong is sounded.

These things will fix the NBA permanently.

barfo
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FTFY
 
Offense equals ratings. Nobody wants to watch games end at 80-78.
 
BIG Q said:
Offense equals ratings. Nobody wants to watch games end at 80-78.
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no but there needs to be a balance. There’s no flow to the game, it’s all offense with guys getting called for things that shouldn’t be fouls
 
Tince said:
Because scoring is up or a handful of other factors?
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I'm saying that despite scoring being lower, the 90s NBA was vastly more popular. So scoring isn't the factor that some people think it is.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'm saying that despite scoring being lower, the 90s NBA was vastly more popular. So scoring isn't the factor that some people think it is.
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Just curious... how are you determining popularity? TV Ratings? Revenue? Attendence? There are flaws in choosing any of these metrics.
 
Tince said:
Just curious... how are you determining popularity? TV Ratings? Revenue? Attendence? There are flaws in choosing any of these metrics.
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there's more people on planet Earth then there was in the 90's. More humans = more fans. NBA was smart and hit international expansion hard. Players from all over the globe want to be in the NBA. More countries = more fans.

With the advent of affordable & portable personal computers (phones/tablets), NBA fans don't have to wait for the following day to read the newspaper. Modern technology allows instant access to get the inside scoop on contests.

Bigger stadiums help with fan attendence. Ticket Master companies "buying" all the tickets allows the NBA teams to post a nearly packed house on the final attendence. >>Look... 17,831 people showed up to the Wizards @ Hornets game !! Ummm... there's a small fraction of that many fans in the stadium. But the tickets are considered "sold", therefore the Owners and League can fake it, and chalk up every game as a rocking arena filled to maximum capacity.
 
Whyachi said:
there's more people on planet Earth then there was in the 90's. More humans = more fans. NBA was smart and hit international expansion hard. Players from all over the globe want to be in the NBA. More countries = more fans.

With the advent of affordable & portable personal computers (phones/tablets), NBA fans don't have to wait for the following day to read the newspaper. Modern technology allows instant access to get the inside scoop on contests.

Bigger stadiums help with fan attendence. Ticket Master companies "buying" all the tickets allows the NBA teams to post a nearly packed house on the final attendence. >>Look... 17,831 people showed up to the Wizards @ Hornets game !! Ummm... there's a small fraction of that many fans in the stadium. But the tickets are considered "sold", therefore the Owners and League can fake it, and chalk up every game as a rocking arena filled to maximum capacity.
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I agree with all this... there is also far less scarcity when it comes to availability of games. In the 90's, if a Blazer game was on TV it kind of a big deal and that game was competing with far less TV options. My parents weren't basketball fans, but sometimes they'd turn on the rare Blazer game because it was more interesting than Entertainment Tonight and This Old House. Now, they have hundreds of viewing options at any given moment, and never choose to watch the Blazers, but it hasn't nothing to do with the product being better/worse.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
no but there needs to be a balance. There’s no flow to the game, it’s all offense with guys getting called for things that shouldn’t be fouls
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I absolutely agree with you. I don't want to go back to the days of the Bad Boys Pistons though. I would love to see traveling called. These step back three's are a joke. Just calling it a step back three is ridiculous. It should be a dribble back three. Virtually every drive, crossover or what not involves palming. It pains me at times to watch players milking the clock palming the ball on every dribble. My kids just tell me I am old and nostalgic. I tell them the game would be a lot different if it was called correctly. I hate super star treatment, but then I hate how NBA refs treat rookies and players from bad teams. The gall of a broadcaster saying a player won't get that call because he is a rookie. Criminal. They don't ref that way in the NFL because the season actually means something. The low post game is gone because of ratings. It's not as sexy as high flying dunks, think Vinsanity. Tim Duncan was called boring while being called "The Great Fundamental." You get where I'm going with this.
 
kjironman1 said:
Is it? I didn’t think so? Could have sworn it’s getting more popular now?
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NBA took a massive dip after Jordan retired. I'd say it's more popular today than 20 years ago, but the term "popular" is very subjective.
 
Tince said:
NBA took a massive dip after Jordan retired. I'd say it's more popular today than 20 years ago, but the term "popular" is very subjective.
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Is there a young player who is as popular as Jordan or LeBron at a comparable age?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Jordan wasn't in the NBA at 19 so that's just a silly comparison.
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Wemby at 19 is more popular than Jordan at 23

Keep changing your criteria if you'd like. The question itself was silly.
 
Tince said:
Wemby at 19 is more popular than Jordan at 23

Keep changing your criteria if you'd like. The question itself was silly.
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I'm not getting pulled into your silliness. You literally come on here to do that.
 
Tince said:
NBA took a massive dip after Jordan retired. I'd say it's more popular today than 20 years ago, but the term "popular" is very subjective.
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Yeah the Magic/Bird/Jordan /Barkley/Shaq/Hakeem era was pretty good.
Seems like Kobe/ LeBron/Curry/George/CP3/ is up there though

Edit- I’m sure someone will add a different name. Just talking about era of player.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'm not getting pulled into your silliness. You literally come on here to do that.
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That's your story my friend!

You asked a question, I answered it. You changed the question, I answered it differently. The question/response format is kinda how forums work.
 
Tince said:
That's your story my friend!

You asked a question, I answered it. You changed the question, I answered it differently. The question/response format is kinda how forums work.
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You compared a player that did not play at 19 in the NBA.

Is Wemby more popular than LeBron? He was actually in the league at 19. I would say no. Sorry.
 
Natebishop3 said:
You compared a player that did not play at 19 in the NBA.

Is Wemby more popular than LeBron? He was actually in the league at 19. I would say no. Sorry.
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I changed it to Jordan at a slightly older age to fit your new criteria. So now that I've pointed out that rookie Wemby was more popular than rookie Jordan, where does that leave us? So many different variables from 3-4 decades ago.
 
Tince said:
I changed it to Jordan at a slightly older age to fit your new criteria. So now that I've pointed out that rookie Wemby was more popular than rookie Jordan, where does that leave us? So many different variables from 3-4 decades ago.
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Rookie Jordan was INSANELY popular. Did you see the number of Air Force Ones that were sold?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Rookie Jordan was INSANELY popular. Did you see the number of Air Force Ones that were sold?
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I didn't see how many were sold, but I am aware of the link between Nike and Jordan. I didn't realize the question was about total shoe sales in different decades.
 
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Tince said:
I didn't see how many were sold, but I am aware of the link between Nike and Jordan. I didn't realize the question was about total shoe sales in different decades.
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LOL how do you measure popularity?

Shoes sales?

Jersey sales?

Basketball cards?

Or are you just going off feel?
 
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