Toronto is open to trade ideas. Here is one.

[crowTrobot]

3pt% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
43.3 2.2 4.2 0.7 - 11.4 - Blake
42.2 3.1 9.6 0.8 0.1 12.8 - Calderon

Calderon is significantly better than Blake at every aspect of the game except for 3PT%, which Blake only betters him by 1%. Calderon would be the final piece to this team if we could get him. Dude average nearly a double double with points and dimes.

he's only significantly better in assists and he likely wouldn't get nearly as many playing with roy. he is a little better in most categories and probably would be a worthwhile upgrade, but obviously not at the cost of one of the big 3 which is what it would take to get him.

 

[Nate4Prez]

I am sorry but this is a very deceptive way to compare them. Blake gets his numbers playing next to Roy who actually controls the ball and plays PG for at least a quarter per game.

The real question is to ask - is Calderon going to give you the same kind of production when he is playing SG and has to defer to Brandon? The APG will defintely not be there - who knows how well he shoots when he is not dominating the ball.

Looking at JC - he is an upgrade over Blake offensively - but that upgrade is going to be much smaller than you think when you compare them head-to-head without remembering that Blake is having his best seasons playing next to Roy - but who knows what taking the ball away from JC will do.

Add the fact that as bad as Blake's D has been this year - JC is even worse - and I honestly do not think this is a worthwhile upgrade - especially not for the price of Bayless.

I'm sorry but I don't see how I'm being deceptive when your just using speculation. Steve Blake is having a career year next to Roy, there is just as much case using your argument that Calderon would have a career year playing next to Roy. You cant say the assists will "definitely not be there", he would have more options to dish it to in Portland and he would get more open looks. Stats hold more weight then your "what ifs"

 

[e_blazer]

3pt% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
43.3 2.2 4.2 0.7 - 11.4 - Blake
42.2 3.1 9.6 0.8 0.1 12.8 - Calderon

Calderon is significantly better than Blake at every aspect of the game except for 3PT%, which Blake only betters him by 1%. Calderon would be the final piece to this team if we could get him. Dude average nearly a double double with points and dimes.

That being said, no way Toronto does any of these deals.

Playing the stats game isn't much help in deciding whether Calderon or Blake is a better fit for the Blazers. Calderon plays 7 more minutes per game than Steve does and he doesn't have a guy like Brandon Roy who wants (and should have) the ball in his hands as much as he does. Those things influence their stat lines. I don't really care for Calderon's attitude, with his constant griping after every call that goes against him. I like Steve's quiet way of taking care of business and the tough as nails character that lets him nail a shot like he did today. Calderon has an ego...Steve just does what needs to be done. He's a better defender and a better teammate. No contest in my book.

 

[Denny Crane]

Caldeon had 13 assists today. Blake and Roy combined had 11.

 

[Sug]

Why trade?

 

[BasX]

I lol at you.

 

[Denny Crane]

From the article about the Raptors wanting to IMPROVE their team (not be fleeced, in other words):

Members of the Raps' entourage still were chuckling at Denver coach George Karl's stories about the late legendary college coach Abe Lemons. One game when the fiery Lemons stomped on the court to protest a call, the official warned him he'd get a technical foul for every step it took him to return to the bench. Lemons stopped in his tracks, called a timeout and had his assistants come out and carry him back.

 

[julius]

Caldeon had 13 assists today. Blake and Roy combined had 11.

Portland won the game. Toronto isn't winning a lot of games. Sometimes it's the sum of your parts, and not the parts of you sum.

I'm not saying the trades are good (or even plausible), but that sometimes having 13 assists in a loss is not as good as having W's.

 

[JE]

What the hell

 

[Sheldon Shape]

The comparison between Jose and Blake being a wash is pretty rediculous. I'm a huge fan of Steve Blake but Jose is signficantly better without question. I wouldn't let Bayless go in a trade for Jose but if it took some combination of Blake, Sergio, Outlaw, Frye, and or Martell you do it without thinking twice. Get rid of the log jamp at the point and let Bayless be your backup behind Jose. That is a scary duo to go along with the already scary duo of Roy and Rudy.

 

[andalusian]

I'm sorry but I don't see how I'm being deceptive when your just using speculation. Steve Blake is having a career year next to Roy, there is just as much case using your argument that Calderon would have a career year playing next to Roy. You cant say the assists will "definitely not be there", he would have more options to dish it to in Portland and he would get more open looks. Stats hold more weight then your "what ifs"

It is deceptive because it does not address MPG, role and team pace and completely ignores defense.

But - if you look at rank by position - http://www.82games.com/0809/BYPOSIT.HTM

Portland's PG position is 9th in the league, Toronto with the great Jose Calderon is 22nd.

JC is probably an upgrade, offensively over Blake - but he is a defensive downgrade and overall - I really do not think it is a great trade - especially when Bayless seems like the kind of PG that is tailor made to play next to Roy.

 

[Ed O]

Caldeon had 13 assists today. Blake and Roy combined had 11.

But he's not a Blazer.

Pay attention!



Ed O.

 

[e_blazer]

Some of us don't suffer from the grass is greener syndrome.

The Blazers could use an upgrade at the point. IMO, Calderon isn't enough of an upgrade to be worth the pieces it would take to get him. If you can work a deal for Paul or Williams, I'm ecstatic. Heck, if you can do something with the Nets for for Harris, I'd be tickled pink. Calderon...not so much.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Some of us don't suffer from the grass is greener syndrome.

The Blazers could use an upgrade at the point. IMO, Calderon isn't enough of an upgrade to be worth the pieces it would take to get him. If you can work a deal for Paul or Williams, I'm ecstatic. Heck, if you can do something with the Nets for for Harris, I'd be tickled pink. Calderon...not so much.

16.2 PPG
3.2 RPG
5.0 APG
44 3-pt FG%
+16.8

 

[kobimel]

Keep it simple and to our benefit:

Frye and Raef for O'Neal

O'Neal is playing pretty well for Toronto and they need him on defense. Why would they trade him for basically Frye, who doesn't do anything that Bargnani can't do better, and an expiring contract? They wouldn't have traded for JO unless they didn't mind taking on his salary.

Frye/pick for Bargnani?

Calderon would make our team better on the offensive end. He can also score and looks like he would be a nice fit next to Roy. The downside - He's atrocious on the defensive end. One of the worst at his position. His jumper and playmaking would be very valuable though.

Bargnani is a better shooter than Frye and would play the same role. They both rebound like little girls but Bargnani also drives into the paint.

Other than that, the Raptors don't really have anything worth typing.

Oh, hell no to Bargs. Besides, Raptor fans think REALLY highly of Bargs for some reason.

To Fez: Raptors would never, ever do that deal. Bargnani is finally having a great season and is actually hustling on defense as well as scoring. Again, why trade him for a poor man's version of himself?

To B-Roy: Watch the Raptors play a few times and see why they're so high on him for yourself.

 

[B-Roy]

To B-Roy: Watch the Raptors play a few times and see why they're so high on him for yourself.

I've seen him quite a few times and I saw him today.

He likes to:

1.) Take a lot of shots when he shouldn't, especially threes.

2.) Wander on defense.

On top of that he's a terrible fit in Portland.

Oh, and he shouldn't be playing SF.

 

[TehChad]

Didn't the Blazers try to get Calderon last year? Wasn't it dead because Toronto was only willing to give him up for one of our best players? They wanted LMA, IIRC (this was before they acquired O'Neal). Developing a trade with Jose is a waste of time. Toronto is going to want A LOT if they're going to give up their long term, star PG, and way more than anyone is willing to give up. But that's okay, Blake is playing very well this year. His heroics in Toronto is just the latest example of this.

 

[MrJayremmie]

I've seen him quite a few times and I saw him today.

He likes to:

1.) Take a lot of shots when he shouldn't, especially threes.

2.) Wander on defense.

On top of that he's a terrible fit in Portland.

Oh, and he shouldn't be playing SF.

Yeah. He said himself he is a PF.

Anyway, Toronto wouldn't do this, and while Portland probably should from a talent standpoint (since some of these proposed deals are absolute robbery) I don't think they should make a trade right now.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Oh, hell no to Bargs. Besides, Raptor fans think REALLY highly of Bargs for some reason.

He got a first place vote for Rookie of the Year!

 

[Foulzilla]

From the article about the Raptors wanting to IMPROVE their team (not be fleeced, in other words):

Members of the Raps' entourage still were chuckling at Denver coach George Karl's stories about the late legendary college coach Abe Lemons. One game when the fiery Lemons stomped on the court to protest a call, the official warned him he'd get a technical foul for every step it took him to return to the bench. Lemons stopped in his tracks, called a timeout and had his assistants come out and carry him back.

Amusing. So did he avoid getting a Tech that way?

 

[hasoos]

yup no way we move bayless for a PG who has a huge knock on his defense.

also obviously we're not gonna pay jermaine 45 million to back up aldridge for 2 years. come on.

I don't know about if any of you watched the NBATV broadcast, but even the Toronto home announcers were talking about how Calderon has problems keeping his defensive assignment in front of him, and they were happy he was facing Blake, so he at least could keep up. I like him, but I don't like his D. I would rather just stick with what is working.