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True, which makes the whole Harkless/Vonleh saga so weird. Why did he give Hark and Leonard 8 figure deals while paying someone to take Vonleh off our hands? Was it to pander to Stotts, or did Olshey just blow it?
My view of Vonleh was that he was like TRob….couldn't learn the plays...so he played defense and rebounded..Chief is way better than Noah on a few levels...Stotts gave him ample opportunity but he just didn't seem to gel with the style of play....as a Knick there was no style of play...there's the ball...go get it....JJ Hickson and TRob ball
 
My view of Vonleh was that he was like TRob….couldn't learn the plays...so he played defense and rebounded..Chief is way better than Noah on a few levels...Stotts gave him ample opportunity but he just didn't seem to gel with the style of play....as a Knick there was no style of play...there's the ball...go get it....JJ Hickson and TRob ball

Leonard has the slowest learning curve in the NBA and that hasn't threatened his job security! Hark's motor is so inconsistent it negates pretty much everything else. Aminu has a great motor...but he just isn't consistent enough in the results.

Sorry, but I just don't see how anybody looks at those 4 players and concludes that Vonleh was the least valuable. :dunno: I also find it interesting that the 2 guys with the best effort level are the 2 lowest paid guys on the list.
 
For what it's worth when I wrote this out, the one that was hardest for me was Stotts. I think a case could be me made their coaches were more "B or B-" grade than C grade when you look at the season overall. I would give NO a better grade if he hadn't sold so hard that the trade exception last year was so valuable only to turn around and say nevermind.
I think @Chris Craig has a pretty good post in here, his grades were higher than mine mostly across the board so that is maybe a bit more positive than mine, and I respect his opinion's on the Blazers too.
 
For what it's worth when I wrote this out, the one that was hardest for me was Stotts. I think a case could be me made their coaches were more "B or B-" grade than C grade when you look at the season overall. I would give NO a better grade if he hadn't sold so hard that the trade exception last year was so valuable only to turn around and say nevermind.
I think @Chris Craig has a pretty good post in here, his grades were higher than mine mostly across the board so that is maybe a bit more positive than mine, and I respect his opinion's on the Blazers too.
Im sure Paul had an objective performance review rating from all aspects of the org. There could be various goals/criteria for each aspect of the organization and weighting and time lines.
Most major corporation do this and the greatest percentage would be objective "what gets measured gets done". There could also be some subjective parts but probably not weighted as high, i.e.: upgrade new uni's or improve food.
 
Hey, take it easy on bonesy 2.0 as he had a serious knee injury his first year in college that limited him to playing in all 27 games otherwise he'd be in the NBA by now.
You're petty:biglaugh:
 
Optimists, Naysayers, realists, members of this forum, distinquished guests, my fellow Trail Blazers fans, it has been decreed by S2 traditions that from time to time, we must come together and examine the fitness of our beloved team, the Portland Trail Blazers.

For 49 years we have fufilled this duty. We have done it in periods of prosperity and victory and we have done so alike in the midst of defeat and depression, at moments of great discord and struggle.

It is easy to look back on these tougher moments and proceed with a negative outlook as to the shape of our team. To suppose that it is inevitable, that the Blazers are destined for mediocrity. We must take in account both the good and the bad. We must hold evident that both of these elements make up the foundational character of the team.

The very esssence of the Trail Blazers name lays in perserverance, in fighting through the greatest of adversities no matter the outcome. The Blazers will to fight on is strong as it has been in recent memory.

General Manager Neil Olshey has recieved great criticism for his inability to sign big free agents. There is still much denunciation over his decision in 2016 to overpay Evan Turner and resign Meyers Leonard, Allen Crabbe, and Maurice Harkless.

There is no taking back of his actions there, but the team has seemed to make progress each year since the rebuild. They have made the playoffs 5 seasons in the row. This past season the Trail Blazers made it to the western conference finals despite missing their starting center and their backup center playing with only one workable arm.

The additions of Seth Curry, Rodney Hood, and Enes Kanter led to this recent success. Olshey implemented limited resources to make these moves. Furthermore he has done a more than adequate job in the draft. The Blazers have at least four important pieces because of his actions there, including Lillard and McCollum.

Olshey perhaps comes off as salesman esque but he has done well for this team. He has made them better at almost every point. He has his work cut out for him with limited available salary and several free agents including, Curry, Hood, Layman, Aminu, and Kanter. His decisions could change the face of the team as we know it.

As it is he deserves a more than passing grade. B+/A-

The Blazers Coach Terry Stotts as recieved a lot of animosity. He has been accused of an inability to make adjustments or high IQ plays down the stretch and at the end of games. Furthermore his capability to coach defense and a mire equitable offense has come under question.

Stotts qualifications, having won a championship as an assistant coach with Dallas seems at odds with his playoff coaching record. Still, he coached the Blazers to the western conference finals this year.

For all of his wanting idosyncracies he is an adept coach. While he is not on an elite level with coaches such as Greg Popovich he is a sufficient coach. His contract has been extended to the dismay of many. He has done well enough to deserve the benefit of the doubt.

With assistant David Vanterpool leaving, the Blazers are left with a large vacancy. Stotts must replace him. Hopefully, with a talented defensive minded coach. Until then we must give coaching a C+/B-.

Portland's guards are their best faucet. Lillard and McCollum make up one of the leagues best backcourts. Seth Curry is a terrific back up guard, as one of the best shooters in the NBA. Rodney Hood is well rounded off the bench. He can shoot well from distance, back down shorter players on the post, or bring it yo the basket. Evan Turner is weakest link. The Blazers use him to bring the ball up the court. They should use him like Hood, have them both backing down smaller opponents in the post. Turner doesn't fit with the Blazers, but again he hasn't bern used right. Anfernee Simons has the potential to be a star. He likely will be.

The Trail Blazers Guards get an A+

The Blazers Forwards are the the Trail Blazers most infirm position. Aminu more of a traditional Small Foward is played at the 4. Maurice Harkless who sometimes is on (good Harkless) and seemingly more than not to be found (bad Harkless), starts at the three. These two would arguably come off the bench on other teams. If Aminu and Harkless could find consistency the Blazers would be better for it. It is all together frightening, the prospect of Aminu dribbling as he runs down the floor. Though he shows more effort perhaps then Harkless. They can both improve should they stay.

Zach Collins should be Portland's starting Power Foward next season. The young big man played in his second season. He possesses vast potential and has improved each year. He has shown he is not afraid to do the dirty work. Though he has played a goid amount of time at the 5, he could be better suited at the 4.

Jake Layman and Skal Labiserre could also be options at the 4. Layman has played SG, SF, and PF. He seems to play the best at the 4 where he can cut to the basket for Alley oops and can have the best space to play on the fly. He is a guy who plays best moving, something the Blazers need to improve on.

Skal is another young bigman who is capable and should and probably will get a chance to show what he can do.

The Blazers Forwards get a C

The Trail Blazers played in the playoffs without their starting center Jusuf Nurkic. He is their third if not second best player. He was missed and would have been a big help to taking the double team off of Lillard and McCollum. He is a skillfull passer and versitile scorer. He is a bigman who can run.

Enes Kanter was a perfect signing. His deficiencies on defense could almost be overlooked with his ability on offensive rebounding and his shooting. He is a talanted veteran center.

Meyers Leonard has struggled to find himself as a player. He has played for the Blazers for seven seasons. Only Lillard has been on the team as long as he has. Meyers has gotten better. He is one of the best shooting big men in the NBA. His confidence has been key to his play and it has grown exponentially. It has room to grow more.

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I stand here to tell you that state of the Blazers is strong and favorable. The future is bright. There is no reason to fret. Let us stand together and celebrate Portland's accomplishments this year.

Lest you say the Trail Blazers path has been an easy one this season/post season let me remind you, the Blazers suffered several setbacks, yet they finished the season strong with 53 wins, including the last game against the Kings in ehich the end of our bench played some of the most inspiring ball we have seen.

In the playoffs the Blazers nearly swept the Thunder, are the only team to win a series without homecourt advantage and against the most winning home team in the NBA to boot.

Yes, the Blazers were swept by the Warriors, but they were not destroyed. This young team had no WCF's experience prior to this. They do now. They can come back next year healthy and get further.

Let us be brought together by adversity and view this years shortcomings not as some negative connotation, but as a step in a the right direction.

curious, if we are to believe the recent rumor that the summer of 2016 was Paul Allen's call, how would you then grade Olshey? I'm not saying that's how it went down, but it seems very plausible. When the boss says get it done, you get it done or get a new job.
 
This post doesn't show respect the the OP. It wreaks of ignorance and accusation of @TorturedBlazerFan not thinking for himself. The name of the thread is

Tortured’s State of the Blazers.


NOT @BonesJones state. I've met TBF and know for a FACT he thinks for himself. So to you and the others that liked your post, PUT SOME RESPECT ON HIS NAME....

If you're gonna talk shit... You should at least tag bones in the post. :dunno:
Fair enough. I can respect that response but the point of the post is not about Bones. So no i didn't have to tag him. I was purposely trying to exclude him. It was about TBF and his state of mind. The GPA would still be a C+.
The Blazers were better than a C+ team this year. That is the point of the post.
 
Fair enough. I can respect that response but the point of the post is not about Bones. So no i didn't have to tag him. I was purposely trying to exclude him. It was about TBF and his state of mind. The GPA would still be a C+.
The Blazers were better than a C+ team this year. That is the point of the post.
You can totally have that opinion and support it and be fine. Heres what I find frustrating is, anytime someone says something that’s perceived as criticism, it becomes they’re bashing the team, saying they suck, saying their horrible. I never once said anything like that in my post, yet you and others responded like I was saying to take them out like a horse with a broken leg... I dont understand why it has to be all or nothing, why does it have to be if someone criticizes them or thinks less of them than you or others do that it means they’re hating them?

I have some post in the toronto thread where I said they werent very good and I dont remember the entire context but I was talking about in respects to Golden State and that meams I somehow didnt enjoy their season or respect them?
 
It would be really uncomfortable if you used that word out loud.
I'm showing my age here? You gonna have to explain that one to me? Negs has always been short for negative Nancy's from my walk of life?
 
You can totally have that opinion and support it and be fine. Heres what I find frustrating is, anytime someone says something that’s perceived as criticism, it becomes they’re bashing the team, saying they suck, saying their horrible. I never once said anything like that in my post, yet you and others responded like I was saying to take them out like a horse with a broken leg... I dont understand why it has to be all or nothing, why does it have to be if someone criticizes them or thinks less of them than you or others do that it means they’re hating them?

I have some post in the toronto thread where I said they werent very good and I dont remember the entire context but I was talking about in respects to Golden State and that meams I somehow didnt enjoy their season or respect them?

Continue posting as you do, buddy. There's nothing wrong with stating such criticism.
 
Continue posting as you do, buddy. There's nothing wrong with stating such criticism.
Hey and there are other takes where they think the team this year was a B or an A and I would totally respect, I may disagree and want to discuss it but I would respect their opinions, and to be fair to @kjironman1 he didnt really disrespect my opinion other than implying I only thought way because I listened to Bones. I love talking basketball outside of family and work its one of my favorite things, but heck even the “experts” disagree all the time its totally ok to have different opinions and discuss why we have those opinions.
 
the point of the post is not about Bones.

Really? My reading comprehension is stellar:

Go ahead and continue to listen to the coach of the 3 on 3 tournament team. He must know what he is talking about because he has a You Tube Video player/recording and can post them on the internet. Like this is a tough thing to do? Susan Wojcicki is making a mint off that by making it pretty easy.

Personal attack. Out of the blue. @BonesJones has NOTHING to do with @TorturedBlazerFan's opinion on the team or the grade he has given the team.

Now, in your words, it's Bone's fault for ALL of the negativity and the state of the forum:

I'm serious when i say this. The Blazer bashing on this site has gotten way out of hand. People don't come here to be told their favorite team "Sucks" and that they never will ever be successful while such and such is here or in charge. It's gotten to ridiculous proportions and as far as i am concerned we are doing this site a huge disservice by allowing it to continue. It's like if you enjoyed the season and are really looking forward to next year you are put on notice that that kind of behavior isn't allowed around here because 4 or 5 posters don't want people to enjoy the Blazers we have. Craziest part is the oldest and best posters on this site have all pretty much given up the good fight. They just quit coming around because of the hater mentality and the willingness to post without respect and courtesy.

You basically blamed @BonesJones INCORRECTLY for every bit of negativity going on in this forum.

It's BS, and frankly, I think you should apologize for your hit piece.

It's fucked up.
 
You can totally have that opinion and support it and be fine. Heres what I find frustrating is, anytime someone says something that’s perceived as criticism, it becomes they’re bashing the team, saying they suck, saying their horrible. I never once said anything like that in my post, yet you and others responded like I was saying to take them out like a horse with a broken leg... I dont understand why it has to be all or nothing, why does it have to be if someone criticizes them or thinks less of them than you or others do that it means they’re hating them?

I have some post in the toronto thread where I said they werent very good and I dont remember the entire context but I was talking about in respects to Golden State and that meams I somehow didnt enjoy their season or respect them?
Well i have had a poster say i have never said anything bad about the current coach but low and behold not but 6 lines before i had used respectful criticism of coach Stotts. Then i posted it right in the thread as an answer. No BAM!. No disrespect. Just a simple here ya go....
My problem with your OP was exactly what i posted about. They were better than a C+ this year in my opinion. The only way for you to get a cumulative grade higher is to raise the grades on the people or subjects you have graded. For some reason the negative response to this season has been overwhelming. Cannot figure it out at all. I for one was very entertained and i am going to continue to enjoy the success they had. Watch how things shake out this summer and i will be back next year pulling for the Blazers. All of them.
 
Really? My reading comprehension is stellar:



Personal attack. Out of the blue. @BonesJones has NOTHING to do with @TorturedBlazerFan's opinion on the team or the grade he has given the team.

Now, in your words, it's Bone's fault for ALL of the negativity and the state of the forum:



You basically blamed @BonesJones INCORRECTLY for every bit of negativity going on in this forum.

It's BS, and frankly, I think you should apologize for your hit piece.

It's fucked up.
Exactly. Thank you.
 
Well i have had a poster say i have never said anything bad about the current coach but low and behold not but 6 lines before i had used respectful criticism of coach Stotts. Then i posted it right in the thread as an answer. No BAM!. No disrespect. Just a simple here ya go....
My problem with your OP was exactly what i posted about. They were better than a C+ this year in my opinion. The only way for you to get a cumulative grade higher is to raise the grades on the people or subjects you have graded. For some reason the negative response to this season has been overwhelming. Cannot figure it out at all. I for one was very entertained and i am going to continue to enjoy the success they had. Watch how things shake out this summer and i will be back next year pulling for the Blazers. All of them.
I dont know if you read it but I did post some where in this thread I wouldnt really take the GPA very seriously as there’s much more that could be said, I would probably give them somewhere in the B range overall. I honestly didnt think when I posted it that I was being all that critical of them, Ive seen people way, way, way more critical of them then I was.
 
Really? My reading comprehension is stellar:



Personal attack. Out of the blue. @BonesJones has NOTHING to do with @TorturedBlazerFan's opinion on the team or the grade he has given the team.

Now, in your words, it's Bone's fault for ALL of the negativity and the state of the forum:



You basically blamed @BonesJones INCORRECTLY for every bit of negativity going on in this forum.

It's BS, and frankly, I think you should apologize for your hit piece.

It's fucked up.
Sorry. Ain't gonna happen.
 
Well i have had a poster say i have never said anything bad about the current coach but low and behold not but 6 lines before i had used respectful criticism of coach Stotts. Then i posted it right in the thread as an answer. No BAM!. No disrespect. Just a simple here ya go....
My problem with your OP was exactly what i posted about. They were better than a C+ this year in my opinion. The only way for you to get a cumulative grade higher is to raise the grades on the people or subjects you have graded. For some reason the negative response to this season has been overwhelming. Cannot figure it out at all. I for one was very entertained and i am going to continue to enjoy the success they had. Watch how things shake out this summer and i will be back next year pulling for the Blazers. All of them.
He already said that wasn't his overall grade...

What also needs to be differentiated is respect and pride for the season that was, and analyzing the season that was in regards to the state of the team going forward.

MY OPINION is that the team still has a lot of the same problems which caused them to lose to the Pelicans. Going forward, those problems need to be addressed if we want a championship. So when I complain about those problems, it's not complaining about the season, it's me trying to put things in the proper context in regards to how we move forward from here.

The season was great. Fantastic. A ton of fun. Best season I've ever seen. Never seen a playoff run like that. All of the above.

But making the WCF doesn't mean that the problems holding back the team don't exist, and the organization shouldn't act like that's the case. If they do, this could easily be the peak.

For some reason the difference between those two types of context keeps getting blurred into people not appreciating the season, or being proud of the team, or whatever...
 
Well i have had a poster say i have never said anything bad about the current coach but low and behold not but 6 lines before i had used respectful criticism of coach Stotts. Then i posted it right in the thread as an answer. No BAM!. No disrespect. Just a simple here ya go....
My problem with your OP was exactly what i posted about. They were better than a C+ this year in my opinion. The only way for you to get a cumulative grade higher is to raise the grades on the people or subjects you have graded. For some reason the negative response to this season has been overwhelming. Cannot figure it out at all. I for one was very entertained and i am going to continue to enjoy the success they had. Watch how things shake out this summer and i will be back next year pulling for the Blazers. All of them.

Who cares???

Why don't you STOP tryna be a forum gestapo?? People can post whatever the fuck they want within forum rules.

If a MF wants to give this team a C, let him do it and either debate him or don't.
 
I would respect their opinions, and to be fair to @kjironman1 he didnt really disrespect my opinion other than implying I only thought way because I listened to Bones.
I certainly was not trying to disrespect your opinion. Wasn't even really trying to disrespect bones. I just wanted to make sure everyone knew that this season was special and it deserves a better grade.
Then i wanted those who feel the same to feel a bit more empowered to state their opinion without fear of the same posters coming at them bashing them for feeling good about this season.
Now i'm being asked to apologize for that..... Well i'm here to tell everyone that won't happen.

The Blazers had a great season. I'm gonna continue to pull for this team to have another and yes that includes the coach!
 
I certainly was not trying to disrespect your opinion. Wasn't even really trying to disrespect bones. I just wanted to make sure everyone knew that this season was special and it deserves a better grade.
Then i wanted those who feel the same to feel a bit more empowered to state their opinion without fear of the same posters coming at them bashing them for feeling good about this season.
Now i'm being asked to apologize for that..... Well i'm here to tell everyone that won't happen.

The Blazers had a great season. I'm gonna continue to pull for this team to have another and yes that includes the coach!
It’s not like Im so angry at Stotts or even their forwards that if it’s basically the same team next year, I’ll be cheering for them to lose. I cheer for them to win every game.

If there are posters afraid to post happy thoughts because Im going to bash them for being happy then I apologize to whoever those people are.

It is a forum though people are gonna post things I dont agree with and I’ll post things they dont agree with and we can discuss our opinions, its supposed to be fun!
 

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