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I was at the NYK/BKLN game tonight. Crabbe is common. He was better under Stotts. Remember people here thought he'd average 18-20ppg with Brooklyn? Well, Brooklyn wishes. He wasn't horrible tonight. He was decent but he's not worth the money at all. Not sure what Brooklyn thought of him.
 
KingSpeed said:
I was at the NYK/BKLN game tonight. Crabbe is common. He was better under Stotts. Remember people here thought he'd average 18-20ppg with Brooklyn? Well, Brooklyn wishes. He wasn't horrible tonight. He was decent but he's not worth the money at all. Not sure what Brooklyn thought of him.
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Only the delusional that AC would be great in Brooklyn.
There were a lot of us that could see this coming
 
tester551 said:
Only the delusional that AC would be great in Brooklyn.
There were a lot of us that could see this coming
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Olshey couldn't assess Crabbe's talent. The idiot matched the offer.
 
Crabbe should be valet parking Olshey's car for LIFE for giving him that contract. How Neil thought it was a good idea to give Crabbe AND Turner AND Leonard such contracts is beyond imagination.
 
TBpup said:
Crabbe should be valet parking Olshey's car for LIFE for giving him that contract. How Neil thought it was a good idea to give Crabbe AND Turner AND Leonard such contracts is beyond imagination.
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Crabbe's contract was not Olshey's doing. The matching was.
 
Anyone other than Leonard I suspect happened because of PA - the Blazers were not willing to let assets walk. I suspect that losing LMA had PA spooked - and he made it a priority.
 
jlprk said:
Olshey couldn't assess Crabbe's talent. The idiot matched the offer.
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It wasn't Olshey's decision:

"And then there was the matter of the four-year, $75 million offer sheet Brooklyn handed Crabbe. Sources told ESPN that Blazers owner Paul Allen never thought twice about matching. There was no dialogue, no consultation. Crabbe was being retained."

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
It wasn't Olshey's decision:

"And then there was the matter of the four-year, $75 million offer sheet Brooklyn handed Crabbe. Sources told ESPN that Blazers owner Paul Allen never thought twice about matching. There was no dialogue, no consultation. Crabbe was being retained."

BNM
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That part is on Olshey. He's responsible to make sure the dialogue happens & they talk through things before making a stupid decision.

Not speaking up is the same as supporting it (in this situation).
 
Boob-No-More said:
It wasn't Olshey's decision:

"And then there was the matter of the four-year, $75 million offer sheet Brooklyn handed Crabbe. Sources told ESPN that Blazers owner Paul Allen never thought twice about matching. There was no dialogue, no consultation. Crabbe was being retained."

BNM
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This needs to be it's own thread or something. I'm TIRED of MFs blaming NO for Crabbe.
 
dviss1 said:
This needs to be it's own thread or something. I'm TIRED of MFs blaming NO for Crabbe.
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Even if PA has the final say, we need to remember that part of Neil's job description is making sure the owner makes the right decision. If NO was strongly against that matching, then he should have been able to convince PA that letting him go was the right choice. All this is hindsight. It happened under Neil's watch, so he's partly culpable.

That being said, the Turner move was the more egregious signing and nearly all signs point to NO being the main culprit for that one.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Even if PA has the final say, we need to remember that part of Neil's job description is making sure the owner makes the right decision. If NO was strongly against that matching, then he should have been able to convince PA that letting him go was the right choice. All this is hindsight. It happened under Neil's watch, so he's partly culpable.

That being said, the Turner move was the more egregious signing and nearly all signs point to NO being the main culprit for that one.
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Lots of assumption in this post. None of us were there for the negotiations. What PA says goes.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Even if PA has the final say, we need to remember that part of Neil's job description is making sure the owner makes the right decision. If NO was strongly against that matching, then he should have been able to convince PA that letting him go was the right choice. All this is hindsight. It happened under Neil's watch, so he's partly culpable.
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In theory, sure. In practice, GM's that defy or disagree with Paul Allen don't tend to last very long. I'm sure Neil does speak his mind, to an extent, but at some point, self-preservation instincts kick when deciding which battles to fight. I'm sure he's very aware of how Kevin Pritchard and Rich Cho were shown the door, with prejudice, and would prefer his career not follow a similar arc.

In the end, even if he wasn't gung ho on matching Crabbe, he probably didn't think it was worth risking his job over. Matching Crabbe was more of an emotional decision for Paul than it was a business decision. Remember how he addressed that overachieving team after their surprising season? He was highly emotionally invested in that group, and when emotions come into play, all the spreadsheets in the world may not make a difference.

BNM
 
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lemme tell you a little story.
in 1996 I was in a car with an NBA GM. I was a fresh out of college intern. we were driving to the office from the airport. the phone rings (one of the big grey attached-to-the-car, car phones). Dallas wanted to trade J Kidd for one of two players on the roster - one an all star, one a rookie but putting up great numbers. The GM called the Owner immediately. Said "we have to do this, and do it before they change their mind". The owner (no longer an owner) said simply "No way".

Kidd went to Phoenix later. The two guys who the owner would not trade ended up having very long careers, one never made the all start team and was average. The all star made I think 3-4 games. The GM gets labeled a failure. The failed trade opportunity changed the entire course of this franchise and this GMs career.

This happens all. the. time.
 
TBpup said:
Crabbe should be valet parking Olshey's car for LIFE for giving him that contract. How Neil thought it was a good idea to give Crabbe AND Turner AND Leonard such contracts is beyond imagination.
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Well, he's kind of doing that for BKN. They're the ones that gave it to him. It's not like we could negotiate after that. Now, if you want to say we were dumb for not setting up an extension early, ok. But what player isn't going to test free agency? I mean, Crabbe's contract kind of validates why you should...b/c there's always gonna be one!

Leonard, yeah, I don't know the story, b/c we were bidding against ourselves, it seems. But Crabbe got a legit offer on the open market, and he took it. Then we get the ROFR.
 
BigGameDamian said:
https://sircharlesincharge.com/2018...blockbuster-deals-heat-raptors-blazers/amp/5/

Heat get: Damian Lillard


Trail Blazers get: Goran Dragic, Tyler Johnson, Justise Winslow, Bam Adebayo, 2019 unprotected first round pick, 2022 second round pick.
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raw
 
It is amazing to me how so many national sports "journalists" have taken a positive meeting between Dame and PA and used it to run with a "Lillard wants out of Portland" line of crap.
 
calvin natt said:
lemme tell you a little story.
in 1996 I was in a car with an NBA GM. I was a fresh out of college intern. we were driving to the office from the airport. the phone rings (one of the big grey attached-to-the-car, car phones). Dallas wanted to trade J Kidd for one of two players on the roster - one an all star, one a rookie but putting up great numbers. The GM called the Owner immediately. Said "we have to do this, and do it before they change their mind". The owner (no longer an owner) said simply "No way".

Kidd went to Phoenix later. The two guys who the owner would not trade ended up having very long careers, one never made the all start team and was average. The all star made I think 3-4 games. The GM gets labeled a failure. The failed trade opportunity changed the entire course of this franchise and this GMs career.

This happens all. the. time.
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Really? You were in the car with Bob Bass when George Shinn refused to trade Glen Rice and Tony Delk for Jason Kidd? That's crazy...
 
e_blazer said:
It is amazing to me how so many national sports "journalists" have taken a positive meeting between Dame and PA and used it to run with a "Lillard wants out of Portland" line of crap.
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Fansided contributors are neither national, nor journalists.

At least this guy ran it through the trade checker, but he completely ignored the fact that his 4-for-1 trade pushed us even further over the luxury tax threshold, plus we don't have enough roster spots available to absorb all four incoming players. We'd have to waive or trade two players to clear enough roster spots to make this trade work, which potentially creates even more dead salary.

All this for Goran Dragic and a couple crappy draft picks. Someone needs to tell him:

1) We ain't trading Damian Lillard EVER.
2) He's worth a LOT more than that.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Fansided contributors are neither national, nor journalists.

At least this guy ran it through the trade checker, but he completely ignored the fact that his 4-for-1 trade pushed us even further over the luxury tax threshold, plus we don't have enough roster spots available to absorb all four incoming players. We'd have to waive or trade two players to clear enough roster spots to make this trade work, which potentially creates even more dead salary.

All this for Goran Dragic and a couple crappy draft picks. Someone needs to tell him:

1) We ain't trading Damian Lillard EVER.
2) He's worth a LOT more than that.

BNM
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I agree with you on Fansided writers, but I've seen a lot of speculation about Dame elsewhere as a result of the PA meeting by guys who are media folks.
 
I feel like, if there was anything to it, it was before the meeting. Nothing I've seen afterwards has said anything except that Dame and PA, at least, are on the same page and "cool". And then PA takes in a few games.
 
e_blazer said:
I agree with you on Fansided writers, but I've seen a lot of speculation about Dame elsewhere as a result of the PA meeting by guys who are media folks.
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We can probably "thank" Steven A. Smith and his Dame should demand a trade rant for starting that.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
We can probably "thank" Steven A. Smith and his Dame should demand a trade rant for starting that.

BNM
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It's kind of like that telephone game we all played in elementary school - the one where the message changes slightly with each retelling until the original meaning is completely corrupted.

Dame should demand a trade, becomes if Dame demands a trade, becomes when Dame demands a trade, becomes since Dame demanded a trade...

BNM
 
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