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this article was interesting.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Among the players currently employed, only Devin Harris, Vince Carter, Yi Jianlian, Bobby Simmons, the three rookies (Brook Lopez, Ryan Anderson and Chris Douglas-Roberts), and the two newcomers are considered part of their current core. Every other player -- even recent draftees Josh Boone and Sean Williams -- are being shopped around the NBA, according to various league executives.

The Nets hope to consolidate at least some of these players (preferably Stromile Swift and Marcus Williams) for a trade that could bring back a serviceable veteran, such as Marcus Camby.

There may also be a chance to get something for Nenad Krstic, a restricted free agent for whom the Nets are exploring sign-and-trade opportunities.</div>

so apparently we're shopping Boone and SWat? and Ager, Marcus, Swift and Hassell, but they aren't really surprising.

And I wonder if we aren't shopping Simmons because we don't think anyone would take his contract.
 
It would be nice if one of the young bigs had shown an ability to rebound but right now, none of them has. That's the danger of giving up Boone without getting a rebounder in return.

It doesn't really matter. This team will not win 30 games as currently constituted.

Moreover, I do not believe this is all about the free agent class of 2010. I believe it's about cutting salary because the Nets are a declining asset in the Forest City Enterprises portfolio and management is doing what managements do with declining assets--they are dumping long term expenses in hopes of raising the value for a sale. The Nets already have more debt (as a percentage of asset value) than any other sports franchise.

Ratner may still be pushing the Brooklyn idea hard, but I believe at best FCE has told him that unless he gets things straightened out soon, they are prepared to pull the plug on their support for the overall project by 2010. Real estate companies often fail by overextending themselves on mega projects.

This is no longer a sports story. It is a business story...and a bad one. Next thing to look for is defections, valued managers departing the scene.

Or perhaps, I am wrong. Maybe this is just another example of Kiki Vandeweghe not knowing what he is doing. He was a disaster in Denver, producing nothing for his owners other than overpriced contracts.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Among the players currently employed, only Devin Harris, Vince Carter, Yi Jianlian, Bobby Simmons, the three rookies (Brook Lopez, Ryan Anderson and Chris Douglas-Roberts), and the two newcomers are considered part of their current core.</div>

NOOOOOOOOOOOO....

 
I say NO to trading Sean Williams. That is very risky. There's no need to take that kind of chance right now.

Trading Boone makes more sense, but he is the only guy on the team who can guard centers, so if they trade him they better get someone back who can do that.

His FT% is the main reason I'd consider dealing him. It's one thing to be bad, it's another to be the worst in NBA history.
 
To be fair, Boone's FT% got steadily better over the course of the season last year. I see no reason why he couldn't be a consistent 65-70% free throw shooter, which I believe he accomplished over the final six weeks or so. That would wake him roughly a 12-8 guy. He has a soft touch around the basket, and quite honestly is a very good offensive rebounder--check out his ORs per minute past year and compare it to the league rebounding leaders--and that is very, very important on this team since no one else can do it. It is a skill to anticipate where the ball is likely to bounce given the direction and distance of the initial shot, and Josh has the intuition to do it. Everyone likes to focus on his negatives, because he isn't the prototypical athletic big that you can build a team around. Well, there are only a handful of those around.

The biggest problem Boone has right now is mental. He gets down on himself for blowing an assignment and stops to talk to himself while the play is still going on. He has to get over that--and also realise that sometimes you can do everything as well as you can and still get beat on a particular play. Once he learns to focus more on the present, he'll really be a solid two-way guy.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jul 12 2008, 01:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It would be nice if one of the young bigs had shown an ability to rebound but right now, none of them has. That's the danger of giving up Boone without getting a rebounder in return.

It doesn't really matter. This team will not win 30 games as currently constituted.</div>

I still have my hopes up. Nearly every team is loaded with talent--look at Atlanta and Charlotte, for example. WHy are some teams consistently good and some teams consistently bad? Other than those few superstars, the talent level on these teams isn't significantly different. I think it comes down to elements like coaching; how well the players interact with each other; whether the team has a primary identity and whether the players buy into it; whether they are willing to put the team above their individual stats. That, and a deep, experienced bench. I think the Nets have, or are gaining, those things. I think their potential upside is what the Sixers accomplished last year: a mostly young team that no one expected anything from, but over the course of the year became more effective and rolled into the playoffs. I think these players are gamers who will play hard every day, and won't just "play out the string" when March 1 rolls around (with a couple of exceptions, who may be traded by opening day). I think they'll play hard defense and sprint back on transition. I think they'll buy into the team idea. And I think that Vince Carter is still a stud. A lot of things have to go right for the team to be successful--but I like their chances more than the Seattles and Minnesotas and Charlottes and Hawkses and Knickses, etc.
 
wtf i don't get why management would want to trade Sean. When we drafted him we had the idea that he was gonna be a pretty big project, so for his rookie year its not like he disappointed.

With Boone it's tuff, I think that its time for him to go only if its the right deal, that Denver trade doesn't look to bad I just don't wanna give up on Marcus I really like him.
 
If we get a shot blocker like camby, why havin' sean around? He's overrated...Boone can rebound, guard centers and score around the basket.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jul 12 2008, 01:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It would be nice if one of the young bigs had shown an ability to rebound but right now, none of them has. That's the danger of giving up Boone without getting a rebounder in return.

It doesn't really matter. This team will not win 30 games as currently constituted.

Moreover, I do not believe this is all about the free agent class of 2010. I believe it's about cutting salary because the Nets are a declining asset in the Forest City Enterprises portfolio and management is doing what managements do with declining assets--they are dumping long term expenses in hopes of raising the value for a sale. The Nets already have more debt (as a percentage of asset value) than any other sports franchise.

Ratner may still be pushing the Brooklyn idea hard, but I believe at best FCE has told him that unless he gets things straightened out soon, they are prepared to pull the plug on their support for the overall project by 2010. Real estate companies often fail by overextending themselves on mega projects.

This is no longer a sports story. It is a business story...and a bad one. Next thing to look for is defections, valued managers departing the scene.

Or perhaps, I am wrong. Maybe this is just another example of Kiki Vandeweghe not knowing what he is doing. He was a disaster in Denver, producing nothing for his owners other than overpriced contracts.</div>

If this is true (and I'm not saying it isn't), why didn't the Nets do the Wally/VC deal? He's clearly the biggest payroll drain now and in the future. The Nets have played in half empty arenas even with Carter and the addition of Yi is probably enough to offset whatever boxoffice losses eould result from dealing Carter.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jul 12 2008, 11:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jul 12 2008, 01:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It would be nice if one of the young bigs had shown an ability to rebound but right now, none of them has. That's the danger of giving up Boone without getting a rebounder in return.

It doesn't really matter. This team will not win 30 games as currently constituted.

Moreover, I do not believe this is all about the free agent class of 2010. I believe it's about cutting salary because the Nets are a declining asset in the Forest City Enterprises portfolio and management is doing what managements do with declining assets--they are dumping long term expenses in hopes of raising the value for a sale. The Nets already have more debt (as a percentage of asset value) than any other sports franchise.

Ratner may still be pushing the Brooklyn idea hard, but I believe at best FCE has told him that unless he gets things straightened out soon, they are prepared to pull the plug on their support for the overall project by 2010. Real estate companies often fail by overextending themselves on mega projects.

This is no longer a sports story. It is a business story...and a bad one. Next thing to look for is defections, valued managers departing the scene.

Or perhaps, I am wrong. Maybe this is just another example of Kiki Vandeweghe not knowing what he is doing. He was a disaster in Denver, producing nothing for his owners other than overpriced contracts.</div>

If this is true (and I'm not saying it isn't), why didn't the Nets do the Wally/VC deal? He's clearly the biggest payroll drain now and in the future. The Nets have played in half empty arenas even with Carter and the addition of Yi is probably enough to offset whatever boxoffice losses eould result from dealing Carter.
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I agree with FOMW. Besides, the reason they are caringso much debt is because they structured it that way. They knew it was going to be like this. Only difference is it's taking longer. They could've put more equity into the purchase, but they rather spend it building since that is their business.

This odd assortment of players suggests something else is on the horizon. They went and signed these guys. It's not like they had to take them back in a trade. If cost cutting was the goal they wouldn't be signing Najera to a 4 year deal. They'd just sign more 1 or 2 year vet min deals like in the past. They only have 2 long term deals, VC and Harris.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Basileus777 @ Jul 12 2008, 01:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Boone has more value to us than we are likely to get in return for trading him. What are teams really going to give up for him?</div>

excellent point, Boone is a solid player, I wouldn't even trade him for Camby and not for any back up PG. Bigs are hard to find and Boone is solid, we stuck with Jason Collins for all these years and yes Collins did help us win. I compare Boone to a Jason Collins that can actually score a few baskets and rebound. Boone gets double doubles and won't mind being put on the bench.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 12 2008, 12:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Basileus777 @ Jul 12 2008, 01:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Boone has more value to us than we are likely to get in return for trading him. What are teams really going to give up for him?</div>

excellent point, Boone is a solid player, I wouldn't even trade him for Camby and not for any back up PG. Bigs are hard to find and Boone is solid, we stuck with Jason Collins for all these years and yes Collins did help us win. I compare Boone to a Jason Collins that can actually score a few baskets and rebound. Boone gets double doubles and won't mind being put on the bench.
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he better get used to coming off the bench now that lopez is here.
 
Can someone give me a reason why we would want Camby? I'll be the first to admit the guy was a monster last year, but we're not going deep into the playoffs until 2011, when Camby will be 37. Who thinks he'll be productive then? Denver needs him a lot more than we do.

As for Boone vs Sean, I think we're forgetting that Sean has only been playing basketball for 6 or 7 years. Lets give him a little more time before we jump to judgements on his potential. I like Boone, but he's the only big on our roster with good value right now (other than Lopez, who we aren't giving up). If Thorn thinks he can get anything for Nenad other than a second rounder in a S/T for Nenad he is crazy. The Najera signing makes little sense if he comes back.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rollydog @ Jul 12 2008, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As for Boone vs Sean, I think we're forgetting that Sean has only been playing basketball for 6 or 7 years. Lets give him a little more time before we jump to judgements on his potential. I like Boone, but he's the only big on our roster with good value right now (other than Lopez, who we aren't giving up). If Thorn thinks he can get anything for Nenad other than a second rounder in a S/T for Nenad he is crazy. The Najera signing makes little sense if he comes back.</div>

the fundamental question is whether the team should pay a lot of money for someone to possibly develop into a competent player, with just as much a chance that he will either NOT develop, or just start to get it when he becomes an unrestricted free agent. Each team and every fan has a different opinion on that one. Keep in mind, though, that before Sean, the Nets had a pretty clear and consistent reaction to that. Sean was a deviation, an experiment. Do you think the team thinks it is worth continuing?
 
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