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What do you give the Blazers for the Trade Deadline?

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Natebishop3 said:
I tend to agree that I would have been more willing to give an "A" if we had dealt Meyers for something of value. I still think we're going to overpay to keep him, and he could eventually be considered one of the worst contracts in the league if he doesn't continue to develop.
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this is my nightmare.
 
Strenuus said:
How so? What if we got an Allen Crabbe in 2018? Value in a draft is not depreciated like a car....
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In terms of trade value, teams generally ascribe greater value to picks that can be used more immediately.
 
Denny Crane said:
I gave a B+. It was a pair of solid moves but neither one effectively moved the needle. Neil will use the pick well. We upgraded at backup PG.
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We upgraded backup PG by A LOT, imho. Frazier might have been a cool dude, but he was one of the worst players on the team. Brian Roberts comes in playing roughly as well as Alan Crabbe, which is a yuooge upgrade.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
What, like a pass/fail grading system? Either we won the trade or we didn't?

I guess the other way to look at it is on a bell curve in comparison to other teams' trade deadline deals. I think the Pistons did better than we did; I'd say the Nuggets did better; if the pick the Grizz got from LA is 2016 or 2017, I'd say they did better too. Yeah, B-.
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We traded Tim Frazier, and roughly 4 million dollars for Brian Roberts, a 2018 1st, and a 2nd rond pick(no details yet?).
Denver traded Randy Foye for Augustin, Novak, and 2 2nds. They took on additional salary in Novak.We spent 3 million more than them, and get a 1st and a 2nd insteadof 2 2nds. How exactly did they do better than us? That's ridiculous.
Grizzlies get the Clippers 2019 pick(no word yet on protection). COuld end up being 2021, though, depending on when Clippers fulfill previous requirements. Not this year or next year. Not better. I like Detroit's trade for Tobias Harris. I think they balanced off their very good deal with a poor deal, of giving up a first round pick this year with light protction for Motiejunas.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
In terms of trade value, teams generally ascribe greater value to picks that can be used more immediately.
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Which is how we were able to get picks which will make us better as Dame/CJ age out of their championship windows. A draft pick is worth as much in 2018 as it is in 2016, roughly (good/bad drafts not withstanding). If you can take advantage of GMs erroneous devaluing of future picks because your target window for hitting home runs in the draft is 2018-2020, then you're winning the deal.
 
I thought Philly used their space better with the Kings trade. If the Cavs pick has little protection, I will change my grade from the C+ I gave.
 
Charcoal Filtered said:
I thought Philly used their space better with the Kings trade. If the Cavs pick has little protection, I will change my grade from the C+ I gave.
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I think it's top 10. Which is more than fine for how little we had to do.
 
I like the Roberts + pick trade that cost us nothing a lot. We should be a better team now, and next season if we re-sign Roberts. Grade A

I believe we should have got more for saving the Cavs so much $$$. Plus the protected future first is 2 drafts away, maybe. We did not lose on this trade, but we did not improve the team now or next season. Grade C+

Average Grade B+
 
Some of you are easy graders! Nothing negative about the moves - just nothing really positive either. Giving him a "C" (average) is borderline generous.

Or maybe our fanbase has such low expectations that not egregiously screwing up is considered a cause for celebration?
 
oldmangrouch said:
Some of you are easy graders! Nothing negative about the moves - just nothing really positive either. Giving him a "C" (average) is borderline generous.

Or maybe our fanbase has such low expectations that not egregiously screwing up is considered a cause for celebration?
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If by not screwing up the 5 year plan is not screwing up, how is that not at least a B?

He didn't do any head scratching moves, that alone puts him at the upper echelon of GMs by default. I like these moves a lot.
 
Unless you were giving a C- or lower if the team stood pat and did nothing then I don't understand how the grade can be so low. It isn't an (home run) A but it is solid B+ imo.
 
oldmangrouch said:
Some of you are easy graders! Nothing negative about the moves - just nothing really positive either. Giving him a "C" (average) is borderline generous.

Or maybe our fanbase has such low expectations that not egregiously screwing up is considered a cause for celebration?
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Let's go median instead of average. Please list all of the 15 teams that got 1st rounders for absolutely zero good players.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Let's go median instead of average. Please list all of the 15 teams that got 1st rounders for absolutely zero good players.
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Please first list all of the teams that had $10M or more of cap space available to take on bad contracts.
 
Scalma said:
So all we lost was Tim Frazier and an insignificant amount of cap space and in return we get a 1st and Brian Roberts? How is that not an A?
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Cause we should have traded Frazier and a 2036 pick for Love or Griffin.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Please first list all of the teams that had $10M or more of cap space available to take on bad contracts.
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So, you're agreeing with me? What we did couldn't be "average", only 2 teams even had the opportunity to do what we did.
 
A+ for me...we got something for nothing..there's just no downside to our upgrading the bench pt guard slot and getting a number one pick for literally nothing but a second round pick and a guy who couldn't crack the rotation
 
PtldPlatypus said:
We can use them in trade for improved talent, but they're of lesser value the further out they are.
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I don't agree with that. Its like saying cash in the bank has less value than cash in your pocket because one is expected to be used sooner.

If I got a $1000 in each spot it matter what I ultimately do with each; not what spot its sitting in today.

A distant first round pick can have less or more value than a current one. With the Cavs being the top team in the East this year I'd much rather have their 2018 pick than 2016.
 
Draco said:
I don't agree with that. Its like saying cash in the bank has less value than cash in your pocket because one is expected to be used sooner.

If I got a $1000 in each spot it matter what I ultimately do with each; not what spot its sitting in today.

A distant first round pick can have less or more value than a current one. With the Cavs being the top team in the East this year I'd much rather have their 2018 pick than 2016.
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No, it's like saying a $25 savings bonds costs less than $25 because that $25 value can't be realized until the maturity date. And that's true.

I didn't invent the concept of time-value of currency, but I understand it, and it applies to draft picks as well. They're basically the currency of professional sports.
 
It could be worse.

We could be the Knicks entering trade discussions for Rubio/Teague with "let me tell you about this kid Kyle O'Quinn..."

We got to the salary floor while picking up a first and second round picks. That's a win.
 
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