Trade Deadline Predictions

[Wizard Mentor]

My Deadline Wish:
1 trade to get us under the tax line.
+
1 trade to get us a rotation player.

Neil Grade:
Neither: F
1st only: B-
2nd only: B+
Both: A

grades can change depending on whether we give or get a 1st rounder.

 

[BigGameDamian]

There is no reasonable trade scenario that will put us in contention. We have to build through the draft.

Might as well trade Dame and CJ for top 5 draft picks then. Sorry but this is just dumb talk. Pretty soon both Dame and CJ will be in there prime and you want to just keep starting over and building from the draft.

 

[Pinwheel1]

He seems like such a nice guy, but man, they’re fucking with his money. If he isn’t pissed I’m sure his agent is. Either play him or trade him.

Or pay him. How much $ do you think he deserves this summer? If we pay him that then that then maybe we don't fuck him over. I would love to keep him for a reasonable amount if we can move some other players.

But right now either way someone is not getting minutes and therefore will not be happy. Collins needed minutes in order to improve and that has worked out. And Aminu has played well too. Yes you can make the case that Aminu should be at SF, opening up some minutes for Noah, but that is debatable with Chief's lack of ball handling skills.

I want to keep Davis, Noah, and Aminu for our bench. I agree though that Noah needs some minutes for sure. Good rebounder and defender.

 

[tester551]

I agree with the lance Thomas idea but if we trade just to stretch another player Neil is done as a gm not just here but in the nba all together. That would be the 4th player we currently are paying to be somewhere else. It would also amount to (I’m estimating here so maybe you can help) 7m in dead money for the next half decade. In terms of gm fuck ups this is the most egregious in my book. He’s used the stretch provision to get himself out of jams over the last 2 years (there have been a bunch) and that number is adding up if he does it again.... he’s done. I would rather have a player at 10m than 7 for a seat on the plane. It’s a tough spot Neil has put us in here but it’s only going to get worse if he compounds it with more dead money.

Agreed. I wouldn't stretch him though.
His 3rd year is non-guaranteed. We'd be under the tax this year, so it's only the '18-'19 salary that we'd have to worry about.

I'd keep him on the roster & just take it in the shorts for 1 year instead of stretching his contract

 

[tlongII]

Might as well trade Dame and CJ for top 5 draft picks then. Sorry but this is just dumb talk. Pretty soon both Dame and CJ will be in there prime and you want to just keep starting over and building from the draft.

Okay tell me what you would do?

 

[blue9]

Okay tell me what you would do?

He'd trade Nurk for Boogie. LOL!

 

[BigGameDamian]

CJ, Nurkic, Harkless and picks for AD and E'twaun Moore?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8joaa6a plus picks?

 

[BonesJones]

CJ, Nurkic, Harkless and picks for AD and E'twaun Moore?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8joaa6a plus picks?

BO D could beat that offer.

 

[santeesioux]

I'm scared it's only going to be a very minor trade like a Vonleh for a 2nd round pick type deal since they're playing better after they heard PA was looking into why they sucked.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I still want to go after Kelly Oubre. Still young but already in the league 2 and a half years. Has all the tools, just needs to hone them, but seems to have the desire and is showing improvement offensively. Link below includes a defensive compilation video and if you click at the end can go on to another part of the series.
I would try Nurkic, Napier and Harkless for Oubre and Mahimni (and his terrible contract). Portland could throw Davis in on this trade if they want to shed some more salary.
Why does Washington do it? Gortat is 33, they need some youth at center. They need a better backup PG than Tim Frazier. They get rid of Mahimni and get back a decent backup SF in Harkless.
Portland does it if they have decided not to re-sign Nurkic, and it balances the roster. Probably would not help them this year but hopefully would in the future, as Collins and Oubre develop and the new team learns to play together. Oubre is still under contract next year so it gives them more time to get rid of Leonard's contract.
https://wizofawes.com/2017/10/10/wave-ascendancy-awaits-kelly-oubre-jr/2/

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Prediction: Neil does nothing.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Prediction: Neil does nothing.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Stay in your lane, Francis!

 

[tlongII]

CJ, Nurkic, Harkless and picks for AD and E'twaun Moore?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8joaa6a plus picks?

New Orleans isn’t going to trade AD. :lol

 

[Boob-No-More]

I agree with the lance Thomas idea but if we trade just to stretch another player Neil is done as a gm not just here but in the nba all together. That would be the 4th player we currently are paying to be somewhere else. It would also amount to (I’m estimating here so maybe you can help) 7m in dead money for the next half decade. In terms of gm fuck ups this is the most egregious in my book. He’s used the stretch provision to get himself out of jams over the last 2 years (there have been a bunch) and that number is adding up if he does it again.... he’s done. I would rather have a player at 10m than 7 for a seat on the plane. It’s a tough spot Neil has put us in here but it’s only going to get worse if he compounds it with more dead money.

You overestimate both the amount and the length of our stretch provision players. The amount is $5.09 million a year for two more years. The year after that, it drops to $4.76 million and then $2.84 million the year after that.

Nicholson = $2,844,430 (four more years)
Varejao = $1,913,345 (three more years)
Ezeli - $333,333 (two more years)

The current $5.09 million total is less than the Tax Payer MLE, which we could use if we wanted to sign a player. Also only two of the three were to cover up Neil's fuck ups. When we got Varejao, we were under the salary floor and he netted us a first round draft pick.

In any case, water under the bridge. And, don't forget, if the trade I proposed happened, it would get us under the tax threshold this year and get us out from under Moe's contact, whether we keep, or waive Thomas. His salary is 2/3 of Moe's and his contract is a year shorter. So, we'd save money both short term and long term whether we stretched him or kept him. Yep, resigning Moe is now looking like yet another Olshey fuck up, but that's on Moe. Last year Moe looked like a bargain and people were praising Neil for stealing him from ORL for nothing.

BNM

 

[chzbrgr]

You overestimate both the amount and the length of our stretch provision players. The amount is $5.09 million a year for two more years. The year after that, it drops to $4.76 million and then $2.84 million the year after that.

Nicholson = $2,844,430 (four more years)
Varejao = $1,913,345 (three more years)
Ezeli - $333,333 (two more years)

The current $5.09 million total is less than the Tax Payer MLE, which we could use if we wanted to sign a player. Also only two of the three were to cover up Neil's fuck ups. When we got Varejao, we were under the salary floor and he netted us a first round draft pick.

In any case, water under the bridge. And, don't forget, if the trade I proposed happened, it would get us under the tax threshold this year and get us out from under Moe's contact, whether we keep, or waive Thomas. His salary is 2/3 of Moe's and his contract is a year shorter. So, we'd save money both short term and long term whether we stretched him or kept him. Yep, resigning Moe is now looking like yet another Olshey fuck up, but that's on Moe. Last year Moe looked like a bargain and people were praising Neil for stealing him from ORL for nothing.

BNM

Is that 5 mil with Thomas? For some reason I though we were at 5 mil today and he would be another 1.5-2 on the books but either way olsheys seat should be getting awfully warm by now and I don’t think a deal that nets nothing more than more dead money saves his job through the offseason.

 

[Chris Craig]

The names I have been hearing

Deandre Jordan
Skal Labissiere
Courtney Lee
Nikola Mirotic
Wes Matthews

 

[Chris Craig]

New Orleans isn’t going to trade AD. :lol

They might now that their season is over

 

[Sarni]

The names I have been hearing

Deandre Jordan
Skal Labissiere
Courtney Lee
Nikola Mirotic
Wes Matthews

Skal is nice as a future project for a low price, Jordan a bit pointless but very good, Matthews completely pointless, Mirotic not what we need, Lee is actually a good one if we can get him for Moe.

 

[Sarni]

They might now that their season is over

They won't. They had tremendously bad luck with Cousins injury but they might still make the playoffs and even if they don't their best bet going forward is trying to extend Cousins, not trading their bad players for players who are miles worse.

If they ever trade Davis they will get like two or three great picks and two or three good players from Celtics. A package of Brown, Smart, Rozier, Grizzlies pick, Sacramento pick and Clippers pick blows anything we can offer out of the water and it's not even the best package Celtics will be willing to send back.

 

[Scalma]

Ok time to take this thread serious and actually make predictions of trades that’ll never happen but if they do we can pretend like we know what we’re talking about.

Since there’s no point in playing it safe since these won’t happen anyway, I’ll predict we make three trades. I’m also assuming Milwaukee isn’t trading Jabari, because he’d be my main target otherwise.

Trade #1



This gets us under the tax. New York takes on a little over $3m and gambles on a young, potential starting SF. It’s relatively low risk. Harkless has a relationship with the Knicks GM and going home should reenergize him. Thomas isn’t completely useless either. He can knock down a three and is a decent enough defender. Best case we also get a second rounder out of this, but I wouldn’t care if we didn’t.

Trade #2



Same thinking as the Knicks trade, and pretty much the Crabbe trade as well. Strictly financial on our side. It also gives us a little breathing room financially in case we wanted to sign someone.

Trade #3



Napier and Barton should be close in value, especially with Barton’s impending unrestricted free agency, but Barton actually plays a position of need. I’m also confident he would re-sign in Portland because of Dame and some other factors. Other teams don’t have that certainty, which would give us some leverage. Napier profiles well next to both Murray and Harris. Vonleh for Hernangomez seems like a fair swap. Vonleh might be more proven, but we wouldn’t have to pay Hernangomez for another few years and he adds much needed shooting.

I look forward to none of these happening.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

You overestimate both the amount and the length of our stretch provision players. The amount is $5.09 million a year for two more years. The year after that, it drops to $4.76 million and then $2.84 million the year after that.

Nicholson = $2,844,430 (four more years)
Varejao = $1,913,345 (three more years)
Ezeli - $333,333 (two more years)

The current $5.09 million total is less than the Tax Payer MLE, which we could use if we wanted to sign a player. Also only two of the three were to cover up Neil's fuck ups. When we got Varejao, we were under the salary floor and he netted us a first round draft pick.

In any case, water under the bridge. And, don't forget, if the trade I proposed happened, it would get us under the tax threshold this year and get us out from under Moe's contact, whether we keep, or waive Thomas. His salary is 2/3 of Moe's and his contract is a year shorter. So, we'd save money both short term and long term whether we stretched him or kept him. Yep, resigning Moe is now looking like yet another Olshey fuck up, but that's on Moe. Last year Moe looked like a bargain and people were praising Neil for stealing him from ORL for nothing.

BNM

Quick Question(s):
Can we waive and Stretch Biebs? If so, will that get us under the tax line?

 

[Scalma]

One NBA source said the Knicks inquired about the Nets’ 23-year-old defensive forward Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, but Brooklyn asked for a first-rounder. That the Knicks’ pick is looking more like a lottery selection makes it virtually untouchable.

According to sources, Kyle O’Quinn and Courtney Lee are the likeliest to go, even if the most inquiries the Knicks have received have been about center Willy Hernangomez, as The Post first reported. Trading O’Quinn opens the door for Hernagomez, 23, to play.
Recently they are receiving more calls about the 32-year-old Lee, averaging a career-best 13.5 points. The Knicks won’t move him unless significant value comes back. Plus, his $11.7 million salary means the Knicks need to find a club with cap room such as the Jazz, or they would have to take back significant money. Knicks president Steve Mills and general manager Scott Perry are vehemently opposed to inheriting any more bad contracts.
https://nypost.com/2018/01/27/the-positives-jeff-hornacek-found-from-a-wobbly-west-coast-trip/

If the Knicks were interested in Hollis Jefferson, they should be interested in Harkless as well.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Quick Question(s):
Can we waive and Stretch Biebs? If so, will that get us under the tax line?

Won't do us any good this season:

"If the player is waived from September 1 to June 30, then the current season is paid per the normal payment schedule...".

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Is that 5 mil with Thomas? For some reason I though we were at 5 mil today and he would be another 1.5-2 on the books but either way olsheys seat should be getting awfully warm by now and I don’t think a deal that nets nothing more than more dead money saves his job through the offseason.

No, it just includes the three players I mentioned.

BNM

 

[Scalma]

One thing I’ve found looking around the league, is that it’s going be tough for us to improve the roster AND get under the tax. It makes guys like Davis and Aminu vulnerable imo. Guys with decent sized contracts who also have value around the league.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Skal is nice as a future project for a low price, Jordan a bit pointless but very good, Matthews completely pointless, Mirotic not what we need, Lee is actually a good one if we can get him for Moe.

I'm sure Dame told Paul he wants a nice project player like Skal.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I'm sure Dame told Paul he wants a nice project player like Skal.

I have to admit this is one of your best right here BGD!

 

[Wizard Mentor]

We get a protected 1st rounder (Nurk for RoLo)
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yccgnwss

 

[chzbrgr]

No, it just includes the three players I mentioned.

BNM

So if we waived and stretched Thomas then it would be like 7m per for the next 3-4 yrs and going down from there.