Trade Deadline Predictions

[JDC]

starting Vonleh at the 4 and Aminu at the 3 actually improves our defense and our rebounding without really hurting our offense.

This is where I disagree with everyone that thinks Aminu is playing out of positon on this roster. Aminu spreading at the 3 and being guarded by a wing alongside 2 bigs drastically changes how this offense functions.

 

[Scalma]

Aminu's only redeeming skill offensively is 3pt shooting which becomes more valuable at the 4 because A) It becomes a rarer skill and B) The space it provides the rest of the offense.

His decision making on closeouts, complete lack of a pull up game, his long/slow release release and strictly stationary spot shooting don't cleanly translate to the sf position either. He's also an adequate rebounder and interior defender, and would argue that he's overrated as a perimeter defender. Playing with Dame and CJ and 2 traditional bigs also negates any sort of switchability on defense.

If we had a dynamic and efficient option at the 4 (like he had with Dirk in Dallas) it might make more sense, but we don't so we are left with either being borderline top 10 offensively and below average defensively w/ him at the 4 or below average offensively and borderline top 10 defensively with him at the 3.

Long story short, there is no configuration with the current roster that makes us borderline top 10 on both ends.

Our offense was just fine last year with Harkless at the three and he didn't have any of these qualities either. There's no reason why Aminu can't play SF, especially if we have someone that can shoot at the four. Vonleh showed encouraging progress last year as a shooter, but never really got any vote of confidence. Collins has shown he can stretch the court. Both those guys should be playing over Aminu at PF imo.

I think our best lineup is Dame, CJ, Aminu, Collins, Nurk. Offensively, that's four guys you can't leave alone on the perimeter. Defensively, three above average defenders with length, two with the ability to switch.

 

[Scalma]

This is where I disagree with everyone that thinks Aminu is playing out of positon on this roster. Aminu spreading at the 3 and being guarded by a wing alongside 2 bigs drastically changes how this offense functions.

This would be true if Vonleh couldn't shoot. But he's shown he can. So why doesn't the coach trust him?

 

[Boob-No-More]

This is where I disagree with everyone that thinks Aminu is playing out of positon on this roster. Aminu spreading at the 3 and being guarded by a wing alongside 2 bigs drastically changes how this offense functions.

You mean this 22nd rated offense?

Yes, I'd like to see a change in how this offense functions.

BNM

 

[JDC]

Can someone tell me whats the net Rating when Lillard, CJ and Napier are on the court together please?

+25.6

124.4 O Rating
98.8 D Rating

It's a group that only really works against the right matchup (or bad teams) though.

 

[JDC]

You mean this 22nd rated offense?

Yes, I'd like to see a change in how this offense functions.

BNM

BB Reference has us 15th and it's hard to be much better when your 3rd and 4th most played players are destructive offensively.

 

[tlongII]

Let me guess...Your falling in love with this team?

Hey, I love the team. They're good dudes. We need to change our rotation, keep our draft pick, and replace Stotts. No trade will happen.

 

[Boob-No-More]

BB Reference has us 15th and it's hard to be much better when your 3rd and 4th most played players are destructive offensively.

I was going by the NBA OFFRTG. We've moved up to 21st after last night's games.

Well, moving Aminu to the 3 means less minutes for Turner, and that's a good thing. He's just not a good fit. He provides no spacing and kills ball movement.

BNM

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Can someone tell me whats the net Rating when Lillard, CJ and Napier are on the court together please?

 

[KeepOnRollin]

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Napier and Vonleh are in almost every single one of those top 3-man lineups. They need kept if at all possible.

 

[dviss1]

Time for a reboot.

ctrl-alt-delete.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Everybody that wants to trade Davis can meet me at Mt. Tabor!!

Sorry, man, but Ed has to go. Not because of his play, which has been great, but because

1) we likely can't get under the tax without trading an expiring, and he's our biggest.
2) we likely can't get a starter without giving up an expiring, and he's our biggest.

My heart wants to keep Ed, too, but my head says he has to go. If need be, @HCP will fill in for
me at Mt. Tabor, as I live out of town.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I predict Ed Davis will be dumped for a mid-second round pick, Vonleh for a low second round pick and Turner will be packaged with a pick to bring back a former lottery pick who is disgruntled and/or a bad fit with his current team who needs a change of scenery. Ok, I lied, the last one is just wishful thinking.

 

[ripcityboy]

I predict Ed Davis will be dumped for a mid-second round pick, Vonleh for a low second round pick and Turner will be packaged with a pick to bring back a former lottery pick who is disgruntled and/or a bad fit with his current team who needs a change of scenery. Ok, I lied, the last one is just wishful thinking.

Thanks Ash, that's a really good take. You can go back to housewares now.

 

[tester551]

Ya'll are dreaming.

There are currently 7 teams above the tax line. These teams are all looking to reduce salary (unless it's a major upgrade).

Additionally, there are another 8 teams that are within $0-$3M of the tax. These teams may take on expiring contracts or may be willing to swap parts - but most likely not much.

Half of the NBA teams are closed to being capped out financially. I'm predicting a very slow trading deadline.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

ill be packaged with a pick to bring back a former lottery pick who is disgruntled and/or a bad fit with his current team who needs a change of scenery. Ok, I lied, the last one is just wishful thinking.

Honestly, there are several teams that want to dump players for cap space, but I don't think there are very many teams wanting to trade space for a player.

Besides, it would make Olshey look like he made a mistake. He took it on the chin with Crabbe, don't think he'll do it again. Instead, I'm guessing that Neil uses Ed's contract as part of a larger deal where we end up with a player he can point to and say how much potential he has.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Prediction: Harkless to Denver for Wilson Chandler and a first round draft pick

 

[Scalma]

As time goes on I’m more and more sure that these are the guys that will, or at least aggressively looking to be, moved:

Harkless
Leonard
Napier
Vonleh

I think Davis is our easiest path to getting under the tax, but I also believe the team likes him too much. He should also be affordable in free agency, so it’s a little different than the Plumlee situation. I can’t see him getting $10m per from anyone.

Losing Napier is going to suck, but I think it’s for the best. He deserves to start, and he should net us wing help or a nice draft pick.

Don’t care what we get back for Meyers or Moe as long as we save enough to get under the tax.

Vonleh can stay, I like him, but I also wouldn’t mind trading him as long as it’s for another talented player. I wouldn’t dump him for nothing. That’d anger meee

 

[Mr. Robot]

CLE wants Favors, maybe something can be done with Meyers to UTA involving Hood
I dont want Hood here, but given hes been mentioned here, Im just throwing it out there

or Ed Davis for that matter

 

[Cippy91]

 

[Labinot41]

Hornets starting Rebuild?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Hornets starting Rebuild?

Did they ever stop their last rebuild?

 

[Cippy91]

By the way, also says in the article that they also have made batum, marvin williams, and dwight howard available

 

[Boob-No-More]

Hornets starting Rebuild?

Who are they building around? Their best players are old. They have a bunch of very mediocre guys in their mid-20s with little or no upside. Their only young player of note is Malik Monk, and he hasn't shown much.

Walker is their best trade asset, by far. He's good, and on a VERY team friendly contact. I just hope he stays in the East and doesn't end up someplace like DEN, UTA or LAC.

BNM

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Who are they building around? Their best players are old. They have a bunch of very mediocre guys in their mid-20s with little or no upside. Their only young player of note is Malik Monk, and he hasn't shown much.

Walker is their best trade asset, by far. He's good, and on a VERY team friendly contact. I just hope he stays in the East and doesn't end up someplace like DEN, UTA or LAC.

BNM

Rich Cho, lol.

Is that gonna become a thing now?

 

[Boob-No-More]

Rich Cho, lol.

Is that gonna become a thing now?

The only reason that guy still has a job is he was able to lock up Kemba Walker on a very team friendly deal before Walker broke out and before the new TV contract created the huge spike in the salary cap.

Their payroll is only $5 million less than ours, but they are 7 games under .500 in the East.

Nobody is going to want to take on Dwight's contract or Batum's contract, so he is forced to trade his best, and only underpaid player.

BNM

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Trades are going to be really hard to come-by. All but 5 teams are projected over the cap next year. Of course not all of those are in luxury tax-area but a lot of teams are.

https://basketball.realgm.com/analy...Available-2018-Cap-Space-For-All-30-NBA-Teams

There are very few teams that are going to want to take on salary like we are hoping happens.

 

[Scalma]

Trades are going to be really hard to come-by. All but 5 teams are projected over the cap next year. Of course not all of those are in luxury tax-area but a lot of teams are.

https://basketball.realgm.com/analy...Available-2018-Cap-Space-For-All-30-NBA-Teams

There are very few teams that are going to want to take on salary like we are hoping happens.

That actually makes trades more likely imo. Look at Portland for example. We don’t have cap space. So what’s our best way to upgrade the roster? Trades. As long as teams stay under the luxury tax, they’ll be open for business.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

That actually makes trades more likely imo. Look at Portland for example. We don’t have cap space. So what’s our best way to upgrade the roster? Trades. As long as teams stay under the luxury tax, they’ll be open for business.

POR goal (or even mandate) is they have to send like 3.5 MIL more out in contracts then they get back. There are quite a few teams that don't want to add 3.5 MIL to their payroll as it will push them into Luxury Tax area themselves. This limits our trade options to about max of 17 teams vs the normal 29 you have the option of contacting. And then you have to figure some of those 17 may be willing to deal but not for the specific players we want to send out. The teams that decide to be buyers are going to have many teams eager to deal. Basically they get their pick of a premo deal. You have to really try hard to make it worth their while to pick you over another team looking to cut space.

 

[Scalma]

If the hornets actually trade Kemba, they could/should be a team interested in Napier. I don't know what a trade would look like, but I'd be interested in Jeremy Lamb. Lamb for TPE? Then Napier for a pick?