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By taking back a player with an expiring contract that that also gets us under the luxury tax threshold for this year.

Frye is exactly that player.

McCollum + Leonard = $33,867, 068
Love + Frye = $30,063,262

Difference = $3,803,806

POR is currently $2,849,291 over the tax threshold. This trade gets us under the threshold this year. So, we would not be paying any tax, and would actually get a share from the teams that are. Plus, it postpones year one of any potential repeater penalty by another year.

And, Frye is an expiring contract we could let walk. Meyers has another two years and $21.7 million left on his contract.

Unfortunately, CLE is hot to get George Hill from SAC and need Frye's contract to make that deal work. Maybe we can work out a 3-team trade where we get Love and Frye, Meyers and Crowder go to SAC and C.J. and Hill go to CLE.

That works salary wise, but other bits and pieces would be required to make it worth it to POR and SAC as they would be gift wrapping a much improved backcourt to CLE. A 3-guard rotation of Thomas, Hill and C.J. would be perfect for CLE. Hill can play both on and off the ball and is an excellent defender. So, he fits well next to both Thomas and C.J. With Crowder gone, they move LeBron back SF, Love back to PF and insert Tristan Thompson back into the starting line up at center. They get J.R. Smith, who has been miserable this year, out of the starting line up (replaced by C.J.) and maybe out of the rotation all together (they still have Wade and Korver to provide scoring off the bench).

BNM

Geoege Hill being an excellent defender and good off the ball is a huge stretch. If you haven’t seen him play this year just take a look at his advance stats, it’s uh... not pretty.
 
Geoege Hill being an excellent defender and good off the ball is a huge stretch. If you haven’t seen him play this year just take a look at his advance stats, it’s uh... not pretty.

I read somewhere recently that he’s regressed defensively since his toe injury last year.
 
I read somewhere recently that he’s regressed defensively since his toe injury last year.

His advanced defensive metrics this year are worse than CJ’s. He’s been really bad. Which is why I think it’s hillarious the Cavs want him so bad, he’s likely only going to make them worse.
 
Geoege Hill being an excellent defender and good off the ball is a huge stretch. If you haven’t seen him play this year just take a look at his advance stats, it’s uh... not pretty.

He was great in UTA last year. I think his current performance has as much to do with the quality of his teammates as any fall off in his skill set. He's shooting .448 3FG% and even if he isn't a great defender he is WAY better than Calderon/Rose/Thomas. Seriously, those are three of the worst defending PGs in the league. Hill would be a serious upgrade defensively, over those three.

Obviously, CLE wants him bad. They wouldn't be hot to add another $20 million per year contract to their roster if they weren't.

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He was great in UTA last year. I think his current performance has as much to do with the quality of his teammates as any fall off in his skill set. He's shooting .448 3FG% and even if he isn't a great defender he is WAY better than Calderon/Rose/Thomas. Seriously, those are three of the worst defending PGs in the league. Hill would be a serious upgrade defensively, over those three.

Obviously, CLE wants him bad. They wouldn't be hot to add another $20 million per year contract to their roster if they weren't.

BNM

I’ll give you he’s a better defender than those three but that’s an extremely low bar, and the sad reality of how bad the Cavs defense is. If you watch him play it’s not just that he’s on a bad team, he looks like he’s either playing with a serious injury or just completely fell off this year. It could be that he just isn’t giving the same effort in Sacramento but it’s hard to just turn it on especially when getting acclimated to a new team. Either way, that’s the Cavs problem not ours.
 
Here are the top 20 guards (by PPG) drafted in the bottom of the first (#20 and lower) in the last ten years. Yeah, no, none of these guys are on CJs level, except maybe Thomas but he’s a PG.

Okay I ran my own list and I'll concede that the number of guards drafted beginning at #20 who Stotts would make as effective as McCollum is...
1 per year, not a couple per year as I roughly guessed.

http://bkref.com/tiny/DTv3j

My point remains...it's easy to replace McCollum. There are a lot of good SGs, especially who Stotts would make look good, and even if there aren't, we could pick up a forward who can shoot. McCollum is destroying our financial picture at $26M per year.
 
I’ll give you he’s a better defender than those three but that’s an extremely low bar, and the sad reality of how bad the Cavs defense is. If you watch him play it’s not just that he’s on a bad team, he looks like he’s either playing with a serious injury or just completely fell off this year. It could be that he just isn’t giving the same effort in Sacramento but it’s hard to just turn it on especially when getting acclimated to a new team. Either way, that’s the Cavs problem not ours.

It is their problem, but one we should try to work to our advantage. Forget Kevin Love for now. If there is some way we can get involved, unload a bad contract (Meyers or Mo) and get under the tax threshold, we should be all over that.

BNM
 


Wow, the Clippers must REALLY want that BRK pick. I just can't see how Kevin Love and Blake Griffin work next to each other. They basically have two PFs and no center now. Seems like a lot of redundancy there.

Does this mean they are blowing it up and Griffin is the next one out the door?

BNM
 
It is their problem, but one we should try to work to our advantage. Forget Kevin Love for now. If there is some way we can get involved, unload a bad contract (Meyers or Mo) and get under the tax threshold, we should be all over that.

BNM

I agree. I get the feeling Neil is going to try and get his fingers in a lot of pies (as my dad would say) in the coming weeks.
 
I agree. I get the feeling Neil is going to try and get his fingers in a lot of pies (as my dad would say) in the coming weeks.

He better. He has put himself in the unenviable position of needing to cut salary and get better at the same time.

BNM
 


This Trade Failed

"The Clippers are over the luxury tax threshold with this trade and the incoming aggregate salaries exceeded what's allowed via the 125% plus $100,000 rule. Cut $10,639,413 from the Clippers incoming trade value to make this trade successful."

The Clippers used the Non Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception or Non Taxpayer Bi-Annual Exception to sign a free agent(s) and therefore their owed tax cannot exceed $6 million at any time during the season. Cut $10,277,422 from the Clippers incoming trade value to make this trade successful."

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I mean... Yeah. But damn Thomas is more worthless than Harkless.
Harkless doesn't play, so it wouldn't be a loss basketball-wise, and would put us under the cap.
We all want home runs, but our trade will probably look something like that. Harkless is from NY, and NY has supposedly shown
previous interest.
 
McCollum had a good game against Minnesota. I don't look at stats, I mean his errors. I saw only one butterfinger loss of the ball, which is great for him. Of course, I was cooking macaroni all through the first half, listening through headphones, but I'll assume I missed nothing, since I haven't since 1959, always sharp as a Wolf.

It appears that HCP read him my posts I wrote today in this thread. HCP, you're doing a good job developing McCollum. Keep it up and we'll see whether he becomes more focused.

Speaking of doing two things at once, I burned the macaroni, so McCollum outplayed me tonight on errors, but I'll hit the gym (snack bar) and there's always the next game.
 
Now is the time for Neil to make a move on some big trades... the team has been winning so our players are more desirable. Trade CJ for Kevin Love, Nurk + salary filler for DeAndre. Starting 5: Dame-Turner-Aminu-Love-DeAndre... that looks like a true contender to me. And I think both trades are there if Neil wants them. The worse thing that can happen is to be fooled by the recent success and stand pat... this roster is talented but mismatched. Strike while the iron is hot Neil!
 
Now is the time for Neil to make a move on some big trades... the team has been winning so our players are more desirable. Trade CJ for Kevin Love, Nurk + salary filler for DeAndre. Starting 5: Dame-Turner-Aminu-Love-DeAndre... that looks like a true contender to me. And I think both trades are there if Neil wants them. The worse thing that can happen is to be fooled by the recent success and stand pat... this roster is talented but mismatched. Strike while the iron is hot Neil!

Your bar for true contender isn't calibrated properly.
 
Now is the time for Neil to make a move on some big trades... the team has been winning so our players are more desirable. Trade CJ for Kevin Love, Nurk + salary filler for DeAndre. Starting 5: Dame-Turner-Aminu-Love-DeAndre... that looks like a true contender to me. And I think both trades are there if Neil wants them. The worse thing that can happen is to be fooled by the recent success and stand pat... this roster is talented but mismatched. Strike while the iron is hot Neil!
Thank god you're not the GM.

CJ is just as good as Love. So why the hell would we do that? Love is 29 while CJ is only 26. What does swapping CJ for Love do? We don't get better. Our defense stays the same as both are poor defenders. Our offense stays the same as well, and probably gets worse as CJ is a better scorer than Love. Rebounding isn't a problem.

Trade Nurk for DeAndre?! DeAndre would leave after this year, or we'd have to pay him $30M a season for the next 4 years to bring him back (in 2 years he will be an average NBA C as athleticism is the first thing to go. He's already declining.) 2 years from now, Nurk will be better.

That team is not a true contender at all. That team isn't better than we are now and the future looks much, much bleaker. So many shortsighted trade ideas lately that are coming from an obvious place of fans wanting moves to be made.
 
Harkless doesn't play, so it wouldn't be a loss basketball-wise, and would put us under the cap.
We all want home runs, but our trade will probably look something like that. Harkless is from NY, and NY has supposedly shown
previous interest.
I'd want a 2nd round pick. Harkless would have value to NYK. He'd play for them.
 

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