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NYR Fan said:
What's also interesting about Buffalo is, despite their poor play they haven't stockpiled picks. They only have one 1st round pick each year. They do have two 2nd's and two 3rd's this year, but that's it. And we also own their 3rd this year from the Vesey deal. Considering how bad they are, that's almost like a late 2nd. That could be a valuable pick for them to get back.

I think it will be very difficult for them to pass up Chytil or Kravtsov, a good D prospect, a 1st, their 3rd back, and one other asset (another pick or roster player or solid but not top prospect). That could be a package of 3 1st round picks depending on the D prospect and other pick/roster player.

I have believed for a while Eichel will be here this summer. We certainly have the assets to get it done and still be loaded with talented kids. We'll see if it happens.
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We have so many young players i think we have to bundle a few up and get a young star-level player in here. Other than LAF i don't think any of the forwards are untouchable if it means getting a player like Eichel in here.
 
I 100% agree with that. There is no way we can play/pay all the kids anyway. I might add Kakko to the untouchable list. That can be debated, but truthfully I don't think it has to be because I think we can get Eichel without Kakko in the package (or Lafreniere or Schneider if we so choose).

We have so many good young players, that taking 3 or 4 out of the mix as untouchable, will still leave us with the best package to offer. Plus a 1st, and their 3rd back (they are the worst team in the NHL - which means that is the first pick of the 3rd round). It really is the perfect match.
 
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I would offer a 2nd 1st rather than a high level kid like Kakko or Kravtsov. Granted only one of the firsts Buffalo would be getting would be in the top 10, but combined with Chytil, Robertson or Lundkvist, that's the equivalent of 4 1sts. Throw in the 3rd and a midlevel prospect too if needed.
 
Why do we have to give up anything more than Kakko for Eichel? I wouldn't give up Kakko straight up for Eichel. First of all, both were second picks in their respective drafts. I understand McDavid comes along once every 10 years or so, but Kakko could have easily been 1st pick that year and the jury is still out if he is better than Quinn. I wouldn't give up anything more than Kakko for Eichel if Kakko has to be included, 2nd for 2nd. If anything Sabres should give us more as Kakko is very young while Eichel is much older in hockey years.

If it has to be Eichel three 1st rounders is enough if not too much. (Chytil, 2 1sts and a defensive prospect like Jones, or Chytil, Lundkvist and 1st). If they don't take the similar deal, then they are idiots and exactly the reason why that organization is where they are.

Look at Rangers and Sabres, they have been rebuilding for a while now, and ours started exactly 3 years ago. We didn't have the 1st pick for 5 years, thanks to Sather. Today, we have so many amazing prospects that Gauthier who I think is an extremely talented player has room only on the 4th line.
 
I am not sweating it too much because I don't think Kakko will need to be included. At most you start with a kid on the Chytil or Kravtsov level as the base and go from there. I think we have the leverage not Buffalo. I doubt they get a better package from any other team. And if Eichel goes elsewhere we have so many assets I have no doubt Gorton will add a stud even if it isn't Eichel.

We are in a very enviable spot I think.
 
NYR2009 said:
Why do we have to give up anything more than Kakko for Eichel? I wouldn't give up Kakko straight up for Eichel. First of all, both were second picks in their respective drafts. I understand McDavid comes along once every 10 years or so, but Kakko could have easily been 1st pick that year and the jury is still out if he is better than Quinn. I wouldn't give up anything more than Kakko for Eichel if Kakko has to be included, 2nd for 2nd. If anything Sabres should give us more as Kakko is very young while Eichel is much older in hockey years..
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Disagree. Kakko is still all about potential while Eichel is not even 25 yet and an established sure-thing in the league who produces a point per game in a shitty team.
 
No deals - in the past trade they were always active at the TDL. Could have made a few smaller moves, maybe bring a guy in that needs a change of scenery
 
Amazing how casually guys like Chytil and Kakko are thrown out in mock trades but lazy baby Huey Gauthier is untouchable. Unless Julien le gommage picks up his game he's going to run into the same situation as Carolina, time to wake the eff up. Can't take shifts off on the NHL. Kappo has learned that, Laf is coming along and Kravstov is already there.
 
My only concern with giving up a huge package of prospects for Eichel is him living up to our expectations. Maybe it's just a byproduct of how terribly this year has gone for the Sabres but, they brought in Hall on a 1 year deal thinking having Eichel as his C was going to be a dynamic powerhouse line. Meanwhile, the two of them combined for 4 goals before Eichel got hurt and Hall looked like a complete disaster. The truly great players are supposed to be able to elevate the play of the players around them. Granted I have watched very few Sabres games so I am speaking out of turn but, who are the players that Eichel has elevated?
Maybe the skill level of his former linemates aren't at the level or a least the potential level of a guy like LaF or Kakko. But it's weird that he and Hall could never get anything going, guy was a former MVP.
When it comes down to it, you have to trust he's going to be a difference making player on this team and it seems like the two teams are a good match. I'd be pumped to see him in a Rangers uniform so hopefully they can put a good deal together.
 
panzerporter said:
Amazing how casually guys like Chytil and Kakko are thrown out in mock trades but lazy baby Huey Gauthier is untouchable. Unless Julien le gommage picks up his game he's going to run into the same situation as Carolina, time to wake the eff up. Can't take shifts off on the NHL. Kappo has learned that, Laf is coming along and Kravstov is already there.
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Because we need elite talent and you're not going to get an elite talent like Eicher centered around Gauthier.
 
Greyvtrayn said:
My only concern with giving up a huge package of prospects for Eichel is him living up to our expectations. Maybe it's just a byproduct of how terribly this year has gone for the Sabres but, they brought in Hall on a 1 year deal thinking having Eichel as his C was going to be a dynamic powerhouse line. Meanwhile, the two of them combined for 4 goals before Eichel got hurt and Hall looked like a complete disaster. The truly great players are supposed to be able to elevate the play of the players around them. Granted I have watched very few Sabres games so I am speaking out of turn but, who are the players that Eichel has elevated?
Maybe the skill level of his former linemates aren't at the level or a least the potential level of a guy like LaF or Kakko. But it's weird that he and Hall could never get anything going, guy was a former MVP.
When it comes down to it, you have to trust he's going to be a difference making player on this team and it seems like the two teams are a good match. I'd be pumped to see him in a Rangers uniform so hopefully they can put a good deal together.
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i'm no Sabres expert but the past 2 seasons prior to this one they were a below .500 team yet Eichel had better than a ppg. Last season he had 28 more points than the 2nd player and the season prior to that 17 more points than the 2nd player.

No idea why it did not work out better with Hall this season but he does have 18 points in 21 games. We have a lot of talent here and could see him reaching 100 points with us. If the cost to get him is Kakko, I do it, assuming there are no long term concerns about his injury.
 
At days end if I had to give up Kakko I would do it, based on stud Eichel and he is a C, but I still maintain it will not come to that. Chytil or Kravtsov, a 1st, their 3rd back, a good D prospect (not our best), and maybe one other solid/okay piece (mid roster player or mid level prospect) gets it done I think.
 
Not giving up Kakko. He's going to be tremendous. He's also a player that will draw a ton of penalties as he matures. His defensive game this year is almost elite already. I said it before. Buffalo needs to start building a defense. Then they can start winning games. If you bring in Eichel you have to move Strome. It just won't work here with Strome. Strome has played too hard here to trade to the crap Sabres. I wouldn't do that to him. There has to be some honor. The teams are not a match for a deal. I'm going back to Dvorak. I think he would explode here and he's 53% on draws. He cooled off. He's a guy they could easily get.


Now if you really want to make a run at cup. If the Blues don't do crap this year and want to rebuild their defense. Go for O'Reilly. He's almost 60% on draws. He's a winner. He's clutch. It's probably going to cost you Buchnevich, Strome, Jones and Reunanen. It's a lot but O'Reilly would almost completely fix our faceoff problem in the East. If you told me we had O'Reilly here for that package, next year I'd say we would contend for the cup with Quinn outta here and Knobby in.
 
Lay off the crack. Florida is young and is winning . They are giving him up.
 
I totally disagree that we aren't a match for Buffalo with regards to Eichel. We are the absolute perfect match. We need/want a stud C, we have the # 1 system in the NHL, we have all our picks, we have 30 mill of cap space this summer, we already have their 3rd round pick - which I am sure they would like back.

With that said, we may not get him/they may not deal him, but directionally we absolutely are a match with Buffalo, the best IMO.
 
They're getting old and I'm not sure he stays there beyond next year. They are going to need an infusion of young talent. Barkov that is.
 
NYR Fan said:
I totally disagree that we aren't a match for Buffalo with regards to Eichel. We are the absolute perfect match. We need/want a stud C, we have the # 1 system in the NHL, we have all our picks, we have 30 mill of cap space this summer, we already have their 3rd round pick - which I am sure they would like back.

With that said, we may not get him/they may not deal him, but directionally we absolutely are a match with Buffalo, the best IMO.
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Who said the Rangers aren't a match with the Sabres? I was saying they are a good match. But I agree with 71...I'd prefer to have Barkov over Eichel.
 
Kreider - he said the teams are not a match for a deal.

I think it is close between Barkov and Eichel. Eichel has cost certainty for many years. Barkov is up for a new deal after next season, and I think will exceed the 10 mill Eichel makes. With that said, I'd lean Barkov, but I am not sure he'll be available. If he is then yeah you press for either one really, maybe with a lean/preference towards Barkov.
 
Florida is not old. That's bullshit. They have 2 vet defenseman. That's it. Otherwise, they are pretty young. They are not trading Barkov.
 
Florida has some good prospects like Tippett and Knight but overall their forward group outside of Huberdeau and Hornquist isn't anything great. I'm not saying they'll trade him before he hits FA, but i'd be a bit surprised if he stays there long term. They aren't winning anything with a 33 year old Bobrovsky and their forward group.
 
They have a lot more talent then you are giving them credit for. Bobrovsky is insignificant. Knight is about ready. They aren't far from being a cup contender.
 
Florida will have a good chunk of cap space in 2y so maybe combined with no taxes he decides to stay. The Rangers will have the better roster, especially defensemen wise by then.
 
NYR Fan said:
Kreider - he said the teams are not a match for a deal.

I think it is close between Barkov and Eichel. Eichel has cost certainty for many years. Barkov is up for a new deal after next season, and I think will exceed the 10 mill Eichel makes. With that said, I'd lean Barkov, but I am not sure he'll be available. If he is then yeah you press for either one really, maybe with a lean/preference towards Barkov.
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Haha Of course he did.
 
Rangers don't have room to add mega contracts. They are going to have to pay Shesterkin, Fox, Lafreniere, Chytil and Lindgren sooner than later. Not to mention what Buchnevich will want. You can't just keep adding 10 million dollar players. It doesn't work that way.
 
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The Rangers absolutely have room to add a big contract. They will have 30 mill of cap space this summer after the DeAngelo buyout. And those kids are not all due raises for a few years, and even then they won't go from 900 K to 5 mill. Plus the cap will go up at some point. Maybe 2 more flat years, but evenetually it will go up.

A look at the Blueshirts cap situation next season has them with what is expected to be over $31 million after the buyout. There will be work to do such as signing players like Pavel Buchnevich, Ryan Lindgren, and Igor Shesterkin. However you can already see the cap space to add a big contract in the summer via trade if they choose.
 
Eichel out for the rest of the season with a herniated disc in his neck that will require surgery. I stay away from him at this point and look elsewhere for a center. Make another call to Detroit for Larkin who could use some young prospects. I still think the more I see him play with his size, speed and passing ability kravtsov can be one of our centers!
 
I hate to say it but I yeah, have to cross off Eichel as a possibility for the off-season. Having traded Mantha, unloading Larkin for a large haul is not out of reason for the Red Wings to consider. I still would prefer Barkov though.
 
I wouldn't flat out cross Eichel off. What I would do though is make sure we are able to do a full medical review before we make any moves. We need to do our medical due diligence, that's how I see it. Maybe that leads us to say no way, off limits, or maybe not, but I let the medical review drive that.

With regards to other players, I think any top level C who may even be remotely available is on our radar. It's the right move and right focus I think. I am sure Gorton will be all over it focusing on adding what we need to take the next step next season.
 
The Buffalo Sabres announced Jack Eichel will miss the remainder of the season due to a herniated disc in his neck. He is expected to make a full recovery and be ready to play next season.


There is no mystery, that the Rangers are planning on going after a big name this summer. Primarily a stud center to take the team to the next level of contention.

Another well known secret is that the Rangers covet and want Jack Eichel. The 24 year-old who played for David Quinn in college would be a perfect fit for the team. It remains to be seen if the Sabres will place him on the market. However, they were reported to be laying the groundwork at the trade deadline for this summer.

Should the Sabres opt to not trade him, although there’s already plenty of evidence they will, the Blueshirts will have other options. Some names expected to be shopped are Aleksander Barkov, Evgeni Malkin, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Evgeny Kuznetsov, and possibly Sidney Crosby.


Larkin has two more seasons on his deal that comes with a $6.1 million AAV. The 24 year-old center has 22 points in 40 games this season. This needs to be taken with a grain salt considering the team he plays for doesn’t have a ton of high level talent. The kid did have 73 points in 76 games in the 2018-19 season.

Bottom line here is simple. If Dylan Larkin and Jack Eichel are both available this summer it is to the Rangers advantage. Jeff Gorton can actually pit the two teams against each other in driving down the package. As always, the market will dictate with the laws of supply and demand in full effect. If there aren’t too many buyers for a center and there’s that many available, Gorton is in the driver’s seat.
 
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