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Reading Brooks made me laugh. Stating Dallas has been dogging the Rangers for weeks on Yandle. and offering Nichuskin might make it tough for Gorton to not give up Yandle. Puhlease. If Dallas offered that guy up, Gorton didn't help Yandle pack, he should be fired on the spot. Also, Brooks makes it like Yandle is dominating. I have never watched one game of Yandle here and said, "Wow. Yandle is dominating." Not one. Only defenseman I've said that about as Rangers were McDonagh in the playoffs the year they went to the finals. Leetch in 1994. That's it.

My guess is the Stars are offering Roussel, Ritchie and a first. Something like that. Either way, Dallas actually has a stocked farm system. Rangers would be morons not to deal Yandle in the right package from them. Yandle will not be the difference in this team winning a cup. All they will do is lose the guy for nothing and set the organization back years.
 
Yandle is the Rangers best offensive dman but he's also hands down their worst defensive dman. Keith is a turnover machine. The only way I could see the Rangers keeping him is if Gorton was somehow able to trade Boyle or Staal. Otherwise it makes no business sense to keep Yandle to let him sign elsewhere after the season ends, his offensive ability definitely gives him trade value.
 
If the plan is to not resign Yandle, then Gorton needs to get the best deal he can. With about a week left before the deadline there's no need for Gorton to settle on a deal yet.
 
As far as I'm concerned, he needs to be dealt. Not that he doesn't contribute. He does. Just can't afford to lose him. If you trade him for a forward, commit to Skjei or Graves, find a way to add a veteran lefty handed defenseman.
 
Hate to burst your bubble guys but Yandle's staying.
 
I don't think anyway he's staying. I just think the Rangers are playing hard to get with Yandle to jack his value up. If Dallas offers up, 2, can't miss young players who are good prospects, no freakin way they don't make the deal because that gives them all kind of options. Trading Hayes, Klein, ect....
 
If it's Nischushkin id say yeah but even so we can't afford to lose what Yandle brings if going for the SC seriously. Especially with McD recovering. I dont think they have designs on Skjei being up full time till next year.
 
Just trade Kreider while his value is pretty high. Watch this tool demand a long term 30 million deal contract in the offseason.
 
Yandle is gone and maybe to dallas on this road trip and kreids is going nowhere as we are not dumping a kid with his size and speed who is 24 because he is having an off season in his 3rd season. Plus the kid makes no money and a team like us in cap hell needs him. Besides, when he breaks out I don't want to see him do it in a bruins jersey. Just be patient. The kid will be fine.
 
The only thing Kreider has going is hope he can put it together, b/c through his age 24 season he has yet to sniff 50pts and will cost a lot more starting next year.
 
NYR31 said:
The only thing Kreider has going is hope he can put it together, b/c through his age 24 season he has yet to sniff 50pts and will cost a lot more starting next year.
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based on what...his stats don't scream show me the money
 
NYR31 said:
The only thing Kreider has going is hope he can put it together, b/c through his age 24 season he has yet to sniff 50pts and will cost a lot more starting next year.
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He had 46 pts last year. Thats not sniffing 5o?
 
BigDaddyAl1973 said:
based on what...his stats don't scream show me the money
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Agree Al, he'll get a reasonable team deal like a bridge but if team was smart and a few dollars more gets him a McD type deal saving a lot of money in the future I hope the team does it.
 
he's already costing $2.5M. You're probably not getting him next year for less than $4M.
 
If Ladd isn't happening which is likely since someone will outbid them, then Bodkker should be the next target. After that it's a dropoff to guys like Versteeg and Purcell who would be of help to the bottom 6. Eric Staal would be great but it seems like a bit of a longshot when you combined Carolina having to eat salary and the Rangers having to give up a future 1st and top 5 prospect.
 
Hearing a lot of staal rumors (eric) but can't imagine what we would have to give up that most of us wouldn't want to kill gorton.
 
No way we get Boedker if Chicago is after him because they will give up a first. We don't have one this year and can no longer give up number 1 picks. We need to build up our farm again.

I could see Staal. He's having a bad season. Carolina can retain half his salary. I would not give up anything of note for him. He has 43 points in 43 career playoff games. He's made the playoffs twice in his career. I'm sure he's frustrated and bored there now. He has 31 points in 61 games which is horrible for him. He's worth a risk at a low price. If I would have to guess, I would think Carolina is after one of the Rangers 3 goalie prospects. Shesterkin, Halverson or Huska. I wouldn't do that. You don't know which one of those could be the replacement for Hank. I would prefer to give up Hellberg who is 24, a few prospects like Nieves, Fogarty and Jensen. That's it. Staal has little to any value right now. Giving up anything impressive for him is just stupid.

I've heard Lindberg for Staal. I don't do this. Lindberg has always been much better the second year in any league he's played. He's also got the ability to be a top faceoff guy. That being said, I could see the Rangers doing this. Hoping, Staal finds his game again and is motivated. Then, I could see them moving Nash in the off-season, signing Staal, moving Hayes to wing and bringing Buchnevich in.
 
I don't see any certainty in Yandle staying, the Rangers played for the Cup without him and keeping him is a bold move by a first year GM, we'll find out either way soon enough. There is no doubting Keith's offensive skills, he's top 10 there but defensively he's not top 100.

I wouldn't trade any of the young RFA's unless Stamkos is involved. Even if CK was to go to arbitration and win (he makes $2.6 this year), he'll be a bargain for a player with his size and skills, with age comes maturity. Hayes - $900K, Miller - $874, and McIlrath - $600K all should be resigned for very cap friendly numbers. With Lindberg making $700K and Fast $1 mil next year the Rangers will have the money to make some aggressive free agency moves in the off season if Gorton could move Nash or Staal. Skjei - $925K/3 years and Graves $650/2 years also deserve a legitimate chance. Paying a mediocre defensive unit $20+ mil is effin ludicrous in today's NHL.
 
Disturbed, where ya been man? And that's good, if the Rangers didn't i'd like to see the Hawks get him.
 
I would agree on trying to avoid dealing Lindberg, who is a very smart and useful player going forward. Fast is useful also but i would rather keep Lindberg of the two. For Staal if Carolina ate salary i'd offer Hayes, 2nd and a prospect like Saarela or Kovacs.
 
Hawks' management team has it all over the
'clueless' GMs in this league. They'll be sipping
from another SC.
 
Ranger71 said:
Disturbed, where ya been man? And that's good, if the Rangers didn't i'd like to see the Hawks get him.
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What's up SC. I have been around but not posting much. I will be around more as we're close to playoff time.

Rangers are in a bad spot w the deadline. They have gone for it past couple years haven't won cup don't have 1st rounders and Hank is getting older. Will be interesting.
 
I don't understand trading Yandle if we are making a run this year. If we not then I am with most of you who are for trading him, but if we making a run then why would we get worse? It doesn't make sense.

I don't think this team can get it done this year, not with the roster we have now and not with the coaching staff that we have in place. If we are not then lets trade Boyle, Yandle, Moore, Klien, Stalberg, Nash and rebuild. I am all for that. We can probably get 3 to 4 first round draft picks and some significant prospects for those players. But if we are making a run then we need Yandle in a much bigger role and he needs to stay. Plus we need to add a few players. It really is beyond me. Well, we are going to lose him for nothing! Then why did we get him in the first place? To WIN A CUP, otherwise the whole thing does not make sense. It is beyond stupid!
 
NYR2009 said:
I don't understand trading Yandle if we are making a run this year. If we not then I am with most of you who are for trading him, but if we making a run then why would we get worse? It doesn't make sense.

I don't think this team can get it done this year, not with the roster we have now and not with the coaching staff that we have in place. If we are not then lets trade Boyle, Yandle, Moore, Klien, Stalberg, Nash and rebuild. I am all for that. We can probably get 3 to 4 first round draft picks and some significant prospects for those players. But if we are making a run then we need Yandle in a much bigger role and he needs to stay. Plus we need to add a few players. It really is beyond me. Well, we are going to lose him for nothing! Then why did we get him in the first place? To WIN A CUP, otherwise the whole thing does not make sense. It is beyond stupid!
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From what I've read most people think keeping Yandle and putting Nash on LTIR is the way to go. That way they free up cap space and Nash could return for the playoffs and the cap implications wouldn't matter. Kane did the same thing last year in Chicago which allowed them to get Vermette.
 
Trade Yandle because he wont't be coming back here. Cant lose him for nothing. Let Dylan be the six d-men. I think it make sense putting Nash on LTIR and improve this roster at least to give it a shot. I think they can get by without him until the playoffs. Hank will carry their asses as per usual...LOL
 
I have a feeling E Staal is coming. I'm concerned about what he will cost.

In some ways the Rangers are in a horrible and dangerous situation - They have a veteran team with an aging elite goalie and a narrowing window of opportunity to win a cup.....You cant really rebuild, Hank is a once in a generation goalie and he will be 34 soon. Most of your Dmen are starting to slide in terms of effectiveness with age and lots of playoff mileage. They have already been aggressive in deadlines in years past and came very close to a cup (Finals and ECF). In doing so they have given up some of their future. You can only do that so many times.

Ideally I would love to trade Girardi, sign Yandle long term and make some tweaks at the deadline. I like Staal a lot even though his numbers aren't great, he is built for the playoffs. He has been bored playing in Carolina the past few years and is only 31.

But the problem is what will he cost. And what do you do with Yandle. They need his puck moving skills to score in the playoffs but you cant lose him for nothing. How do you really rebuild when you have probably 2-3 more elite years out of Lundqvist and likely wont have a goalie that good again for 10-20 years.

Gorton has a lot to think about and is in a tough spot.
 
1. Put Nash on LTIR. Best case you get 3 or 4 weeks out of Nash before the season ends (season ends 6 weeks from tomorrow). I say let him rest and be 100% for the playoffs.

6:08PM: Vigneault said that Nash has a "serious bone bruise," it's "week to week" and that anything with a bone is usually "4-8 weeks". (Ranger Rants)
4:02PM: Rick Nash had another MRI and is maybe 7-10 days away from starting lower body workouts. (NYR)

2. Keep Yandle. He will leave this summer, but to deal him now is a step backwards this season, and this team has to go for it now. Only way this changes is if they can get a very good return for Yandle AND make a deal for a solid LD to replace him now.

3. GO GET STAAL. That's the guy. He is a proven playoff performer. He is always over 50% on face-offs. He has size. He is a prefect fit here. We need to get that deal done.

Nash, Staal, Brass, Stepan, Zucc, Miller, Kreider, Hayes, Stalberg is a very good top 9. That is a top 9 that can win a cup. I would actually also see if there is anyway to get a 4th line upgrade as well. Add in a good D and one of the best goalies in the NHL and you have a legit shot to win a cup.

We will play the Isles in round 1 and then, if we win, comes the series that will be our toughest challenge of all...round 2 against the Caps. We will be a big underdog, but all you can do is leave it on the ice and hope for the best.

With Hank 34 in less than a week, there is no turning back IMO. You go for it and you add Staal and try to add a 4th line/PK upgrade as well.

It can be done. No sense of staying as is or making a small little add. I truthfully would see very little point to that. I rather deal off and add picks than add a lesser player for a small band aid. Makes no sense for a team like ours.

Hope you can resign Staal after the season. And we have a good base locked up for a long while. Plus we could also try and deal Nash this summer as well.

Makes a lot of sense...GO GET STAAL.
 
And BTW...Girardi has been very good since he got healthy. The guy is a +17, best on the team. He has 5 points and is a +9 in 12 February games.

I know you all love to hate on him, but Girardi is a very good dman that plays big minutes against the other teams top players. He gets very little respect in here, but he is a very good dman, and 95% of the teams would love to have him near the top of their D.

And I'm out...
 
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