Trade Ideas Thread

[BoomChakaLaka]

I’m not sure Toronto would take CJ straight up for DeRozen.

We’d have to really sweeten the pot. Collins might do it. Collins with our #1 might turn their heads.

I think Dame and DeRozen would look pretty good! Might even hook us a 3rd all-star in free agency...?

 

[BigGameDamian]

So Take Ibaka out of the deal....

CJ + Collins + #1 pick
For
DeRozen

Do you make the trade?

I'd want Ibaka but I do like the idea of getting DeRozan.

 

[BonesJones]

I think using our TPE to add bad salary while getting a solid draft pick makes a ton of sense. We could add more than our TPE amount ($13M) by working a 3-team trade like this: Atlanta gets Meyers Leonard and Caleb Swanigan sending us back Miles Plumlee who we acquire with our TPE. In that scenario, we're sending out around $12.5M in salary, so we could take back around $16M. Here's a hybrid version:

WAS Gets: Al-Farouq Aminu
ATL Gets: Meyers Leonard, Jake Layman (Ungauranteed)
POR Gets: Ian Mahinmi, Jason Smith, Miles Plumlee, (TPE), 15th Pick

Atlanta can cut Layman and save a little but of money by exchanging Plumlee for Leonard (Plumlee makes apx. $1M more than Meyers for the next couple years, their contracts are the same length).

Washington saves apx. $15M a year. For a team butting up against the tax, this is huge. They also get a rotation player in Aminu.

So we'd have the 15th and 24th picks.. We could then go to New York and see if they would trade #9, Lance Thomas and Damyeon Dotson for #15, #24 and Maurice Harkless.

At #9 we could take Mikal Bridges. We'd still need a PF, but I'd prefer to sign Wayne Ellington to an MLE then try to shop for a PF on a Vet minimum (Amir Johnson?)

Lillard (36) / McCollum (12)
McCollum (24) / Ellington (24)
Bridges (24) / Turner (24)
Collins (24) / Johnson (20) / Bridges (4)
Nurkic (30) / Davis (18) / Mahinmi / Plumlee

We'd still have all our future picks and our starting lineup for the future completely set. With Turner, Mahinmi, and Plumlee expiring after 2019-2020, that's apx. $48M in expiring contracts. We could either 1.) Use those contracts with our draft picks to trade for a borderline star and bring Collins or Bridges off the bench or we could trade for some legit bench help, 2.) we could let them expiring and have a decent amount of cap space with Bridges and Collins being on rookie contracts with no other sizeable salary outside of Dame, CJ, and Nurk. We could add a FA... or 3.) We could trade the expirings at the deadline for bad salary while getting picks as a reward for helping another team shed bad contracts. We could continue to add assets by taking on salary to continue to add to our pool of youth.

I like it. We need to try something like this.

 

[Pinwheel1]

So Take Ibaka out of the deal....

CJ + Collins + #1 pick
For
DeRozen

Do you make the trade?

We have a lot of needs. That trade would create an extra one. Put even more of a need on a SF who can spread the floor. Plus we would be back in the market for a PF.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

So Take Ibaka out of the deal....

CJ + Collins + #1 pick
For
DeRozen

Do you make the trade?

No, and Olshey certainly wouldn't.

CJ+ Biebs + #1 pick
for
DeRozen + OG

and we have a deal (but I don't think Toronto does that.)

 

[Rhal]

So Take Ibaka out of the deal....

CJ + Collins + #1 pick
For
DeRozen

Do you make the trade?

I don't think CJ for DeRozen is even that great of a deal for us.

 

[Rhal]

Why do we want Derozen? Part of our problem this year we inability to spread the floor, Derozen doesn't stop that, he isn't a great defender and about all he does better then CJ is get to the line.

 

[RR7]

I think using our TPE to add bad salary while getting a solid draft pick makes a ton of sense. We could add more than our TPE amount ($13M) by working a 3-team trade like this: Atlanta gets Meyers Leonard and Caleb Swanigan sending us back Miles Plumlee who we acquire with our TPE. In that scenario, we're sending out around $12.5M in salary, so we could take back around $16M. Here's a hybrid version:

WAS Gets: Al-Farouq Aminu
ATL Gets: Meyers Leonard, Jake Layman (Ungauranteed)
POR Gets: Ian Mahinmi, Jason Smith, Miles Plumlee, (TPE), 15th Pick

Atlanta can cut Layman and save a little but of money by exchanging Plumlee for Leonard (Plumlee makes apx. $1M more than Meyers for the next couple years, their contracts are the same length).

Washington saves apx. $15M a year. For a team butting up against the tax, this is huge. They also get a rotation player in Aminu.


At #9 we could take Mikal Bridges. We'd still need a PF, but I'd prefer to sign Wayne Ellington to an MLE then try to shop for a PF on a Vet minimum (Amir Johnson?)

Lillard (36) / McCollum (12)
McCollum (24) / Ellington (24)
Bridges (24) / Turner (24)
Collins (24) / Johnson (20) / Bridges (4)
Nurkic (30) / Davis (18) / Mahinmi / Plumlee

Those 2 swaps add an additional 15,575,956 in salary next season. Losing Harkless, Aminu, Leonard, adding Mahinmi, Smith, Plumlee, Thomas, Dotson. And then swapping 24 for 9. We lose 2 rotation players in Harkless and Aminu. We lose 2 starters off a 49 win team. We lose arguably our most versatile defender. We add...Bridges. None of the rest should or would be in the rotation.

You have Ellington at MLE(tax payer), Amir at minimum(not happening, but I'll go with it). Also a re-signed Davis and Nurk. I'll rough estimate 5 for Davis, 17.5 for Nurk, starting for each. Adding in the #9 pick in Bridges.

That gives us a salary of almost 160 million. 160! Wanna know the tax bill? Over 90 million! And that team isn't noticeably better than the team we currently have. 250 million dollars! LOL. We need to try something like this? That's fucking asinine. If we're already going way over signing Nurk, Davis and Ellington, the added salary to add Bridges is primarily in the 20 million over tax bracket. Which is 3.75 per every dollar. And increases. You wanna swap Aminu and Harkless and basically 50 million dollars for Bridges. Aminu, Harkless and 50 Million dollars for Bridges. That's absurd. Dude better be Ben Simmons good in year 1 to justify that horrid deal.

 

[BonesJones]

Those 2 swaps add an additional 15,575,956 in salary next season. Losing Harkless, Aminu, Leonard, adding Mahinmi, Smith, Plumlee, Thomas, Dotson. And then swapping 24 for 9. We lose 2 rotation players in Harkless and Aminu. We lose 2 starters off a 49 win team. We lose arguably our most versatile defender. We add...Bridges. None of the rest should or would be in the rotation.

You have Ellington at MLE(tax payer), Amir at minimum(not happening, but I'll go with it). Also a re-signed Davis and Nurk. I'll rough estimate 5 for Davis, 17.5 for Nurk, starting for each. Adding in the #9 pick in Bridges.

That gives us a salary of almost 160 million. 160! Wanna know the tax bill? Over 90 million! And that team isn't noticeably better than the team we currently have. 250 million dollars! LOL. We need to try something like this? That's fucking asinine. If we're already going way over signing Nurk, Davis and Ellington, the added salary to add Bridges is primarily in the 20 million over tax bracket. Which is 3.75 per every dollar. And increases. You wanna swap Aminu and Harkless and basically 50 million dollars for Bridges. Aminu, Harkless and 50 Million dollars for Bridges. That's absurd. Dude better be Ben Simmons good in year 1 to justify that horrid deal.

Johnson probably wouldnt sign so look elsewhere then. We'd be better this year and be better towards the future. The only reason you've come up with not to do it is fimances, so I guess it comes down to how bad Paul Allen wants a contender.

Bridges can be a Kawhi-type player. He has that kind of potential. In terms of roster, it's a great series of moves.

 

[BonesJones]

I don't think CJ for DeRozen is even that great of a deal for us.

It's pointless for both teams.

 

[BonesJones]

Here's a trade that needs to happen:

Jamal Murray, Paul Millsap, Wilson Chandler, Darrell Arthur and the 14th pick for DeMar Derozen and Lowry.

Denver's been trying to get over the hump, and I this would make them much better. Murray is Canadian and would give the Raptors a homegrown talent:

Lowry / ?
Harris / Barton
Derozen / Barton
Lyles / Faried
Jokic / Plumlee

Wright / Vanfleet
Murray / ?
Anunoby / ?
Millsap / Ibaka
Valancuinas / Poeltl

 

[PtldPlatypus]

620AM afternoon guys are talking about Blake Griffin. Saying the Griffin trade is basically the reason Van Gundy was fired, then following that up saying the Blazers should explore trading for him. Turner/Aminu for Blake saves Detroit a boatload of money. Clearly that's not equal value, but considering how much BG is owed, that might be worth it for them anyway. Considering his injury history and defensive deficiencies, would there be any point in a deal like that?

 

[BigGameDamian]

620AM afternoon guys are talking about Blake Griffin. Saying the Griffin trade is basically the reason Van Gundy was fired, then following that up saying the Blazers should explore trading for him. Turner/Aminu for Blake saves Detroit a boatload of money. Clearly that's not equal value, but considering how much BG is owed, that might be worth it for them anyway. Considering his injury history and defensive deficiencies, would there be any point in a deal like that?

Even Turner and Mo Harkless for Blake Griffin works.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Even Turner and Mo Harkless for Blake Griffin works.

It does, but if Detroit were interested in any kind of deal like this, it would be strictly a cost-cutting measure. Since Harkless makes more with one more year, I think it's fair to assume that Aminu would be the more desirable piece to them.

 

[Scalma]

Griffin for Turner, Aminu, and our pick? I’d get behind that in a vacuum the only problem is Zach will be ready for heavy minutes before Blake’s contract runs out. Then again Zach and Blake are so athletic they could probably play with each other.

But this is fun to think about

Dame
CJ
Harkless
Griffin
Nurkic

Tellem is close with Olshey and Olshey is tight with Blake, so if they’re looking to dump him, Portland could definitely be a team to watch.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[AFully22]

Griffin for Turner, Aminu, and our pick? I’d get behind that in a vacuum the only problem is Zach will be ready for heavy minutes before Blake’s contract runs out. Then again Zach and Blake are so athletic they could probably play with each other.

But this is fun to think about

Dame
CJ
Harkless
Griffin
Nurkic

Tellem is close with Olshey and Olshey is tight with Blake, so if they’re looking to dump him, Portland could definitely be a team to watch.

If the new GM in Detroit is willing to punt on the Blake Griffin situation, as he should, than I wouldn’t be suprised if we were one of the first calls he receives. Plus a Collins and Griffin front court is pretty ideal for today’s NBA and that doesn’t mean you don’t resign Nurkic either.

Landing Griffin for something similar to what you proposed, resigning Nurk, letting Collins develop and see how he fits next to Griffin, and then use Nurk later in a deal that brings in a better option at the 3 is a pretty good plan to building a contending roster.

I would be suprised if Griffin was dealt before the deadline though, if at all.

 

[blue9]

620AM afternoon guys are talking about Blake Griffin. Saying the Griffin trade is basically the reason Van Gundy was fired, then following that up saying the Blazers should explore trading for him. Turner/Aminu for Blake saves Detroit a boatload of money. Clearly that's not equal value, but considering how much BG is owed, that might be worth it for them anyway. Considering his injury history and defensive deficiencies, would there be any point in a deal like that?

I would TOTALLY make that trade!!

 

[Scalma]

If the new GM in Detroit is willing to punt on the Blake Griffin situation, as he should, than I wouldn’t be suprised if we were one of the first calls he receives. Plus a Collins and Griffin front court is pretty ideal for today’s NBA and that doesn’t mean you don’t resign Nurkic either.

Landing Griffin for something similar to what you proposed, resigning Nurk, letting Collins develop and see how he fits next to Griffin, and then use Nurk later in a deal that brings in a better option at the 3 is a pretty good plan to building a contending roster.

I would be suprised if Griffin was dealt before the deadline though, if at all.

Just let Harkless develop, I doubt we’re gonna find anyone that’s so much better that’d make giving up another asset worthwhile. If we made this theoretical trade, we’d be pretty set. We could use the MLE to sign someone like Ellington or Hezonja. Then sign a Vince Carter for the minimum to round out the team.

Dame
CJ
Harkless
Griffin
Nurkic

Baldwin
CJ
Ellington/Hezonja
Collins
Davis

I honestly love that.

 

[hoopsjock]

For those that didn't watch the video the proposed trade was:

CJ to Indy
For
Myles Turner, Al Jefferson, and Darren Collison

He says we could probably get their 1st round pick too in the deal #23.

I think this is a horrible trade for Portland mainly because Myles Turner had a bit of a down year. Really the only positive is it does clear up a lot of salary issues. The creator of the video fails to mention both Al Jefferson and Darren Collison have non-guaranteed contracts next year so we could cut them and only owe a small percentage of their contract next year.

I would maybe consider this if we added a 2nd part to this trade that had trading the non-guaranteed contracts of Collison and Jefferson to the Lakers for Luol Deng, Josh Hart, and their 2019 1st round pick unprotected.

Then try to move up in the draft using 23, 24, our 2019 1st, and/or the Lakers 2019 1st.

 

[Scalma]

I’m all aboard the Blake griffin train, guys choo choo.

I really think there’s a deal to be made there and the relationship between tellem and Olshey and Olshey and Blake makes me think it’s something that could happen. Only question is Detroit’s position on Griffin. Personally, I think they’d look to dump him. I mean why not? They’re not close to contending and his contract is an anchor. They also don’t have a first round pick.

 

[AFully22]

Just let Harkless develop, I doubt we’re gonna find anyone that’s so much better that’d make giving up another asset worthwhile. If we made this theoretical trade, we’d be pretty set. We could use the MLE to sign someone like Ellington or Hezonja. Then sign a Vince Carter for the minimum to round out the team.

Dame
CJ
Harkless
Griffin
Nurkic

Baldwin
CJ
Ellington/Hezonja
Collins
Davis

I honestly love that.

I would love that too, I just have seen enough from Harkless to think he won’t ever consistently be “good Harkless” and would like to have a better shooter at the 3 with that lineup. But that’s a move that would be considered in another year once you evaluate the roster with the addition of Griffin.

 

[Scalma]

I would love that too, I just have seen enough from Harkless to think he won’t ever consistently be “good Harkless” and would like to have a better shooter at the 3 with that lineup. But that’s a move that would be considered in another year once you evaluate the roster with the addition of Griffin.

True.

Man this scenario is almost too good to be true. Detroit doesn’t have a first round pick and Blake’s contract is an anchor for a team that isn’t contending anytime soon. We toss em our pick, and let them get out of Blake’s contract. Shit, toss in Swanigan too. Let’s go.

 

[AFully22]

True.

Man this scenario is almost too good to be true. Detroit doesn’t have a first round pick and Blake’s contract is an anchor for a team that isn’t contending anytime soon. We toss em our pick, and let them get out of Blake’s contract. Shit, toss in Swanigan too. Let’s go.

The only problem I see is there’s probably a lot of teams who would be willing to send a similar package for Griffin with possibly a better draft pick.

 

[RR7]

The only problem I see is there’s probably a lot of teams who would be willing to send a similar package for Griffin with possibly a better draft pick.

Blake's got 141 million dollars owed to him over the next 4 seasons, seasons he'll end aged 30,31,32,33. He's played in 67,35,61 and 58 games the past 4 seasons. Has an athletically based game. I don't think there'd be too many teams willing to take on that financial commitment with a much better offer.

 

[Scalma]

Blake's got 141 million dollars owed to him over the next 4 seasons, seasons he'll end aged 30,31,32,33. He's played in 67,35,61 and 58 games the past 4 seasons. Has an athletically based game. I don't think there'd be too many teams willing to take on that financial commitment with a much better offer.

How many playoff type squads are there with A) a need for a PF B) the salary needed to match and C) provide the relief Detroit wants.

 

[AFully22]

Blake's got 141 million dollars owed to him over the next 4 seasons, seasons he'll end aged 30,31,32,33. He's played in 67,35,61 and 58 games the past 4 seasons. Has an athletically based game. I don't think there'd be too many teams willing to take on that financial commitment with a much better offer.

I don’t think there would be too many teams willing to make that commitment either, but I also don’t think we would be the only one and chances are the other teams that would be willing probably have a higher pick than us in the first rd.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Just let Harkless develop, I doubt we’re gonna find anyone that’s so much better that’d make giving up another asset worthwhile. If we made this theoretical trade, we’d be pretty set. We could use the MLE to sign someone like Ellington or Hezonja. Then sign a Vince Carter for the minimum to round out the team.

Dame
CJ
Harkless
Griffin
Nurkic

Baldwin
CJ
Ellington/Hezonja
Collins
Davis

I honestly love that.

Just letting players develope is what the Blazers are best at anyways.

 

[Scalma]

I don’t think there would be too many teams willing to make that commitment either, but I also don’t think we would be the only one and chances are the other teams that would be willing probably have a higher pick than us in the first rd.

I don’t think teams picking above us (aka non playoff sides) would be interested in Griffin. I really think Portland would be the best fit. Not only could we use a go to big, but his style fits our system/needs. He can shoot, he can run the court, and maybe most importantly, he can pass.

 

[AFully22]

I don’t think teams picking above us (aka non playoff sides) would be interested in Griffin. I really think Portland would be the best fit. Not only could we use a go to big, but his style fits our system/needs. He can shoot, he can run the court, and maybe most importantly, he can pass.

You might be right. But there’s almost always a deal offered from some team that usually suprises. OKC for example could get Melo to opt in and get him to waive his NTC so he could go back to playing the 3 for an eastern conference team closer to home. They could then offer their slightly better pick and get almost all of that money off the books after next year.

Edit: I forgot OKC doesn’t have their pick this year.