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Scalma said:
Aren’t trades not allowed to officially be announced until the new year begins anyway? What’s the point of the trade deadline if they were?
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No, after your season concludes you can make trades for players that are under contract for next year or picks. The trade deadline is for during the season.
 
hoopsjock said:
No, after your season concludes you can make trades for players that are under contract for next year or picks. The trade deadline is for during the season.
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Ok. Teams that can fit Leonard that should be in rebuild mode

Chicago
Dallas

So that changes things, although both of these teams could and should be options. Cuban never goes rebuild though even when he should.
 
hoopsjock said:
Um it's not a "coulda" it's what was ACTUALLY traded. They traded a lottery protected 1st round pick. If we are playing the "coulda" game then they could've very easily finished behind several teams heading into the season like the Cavs, Celtics, Bucks, Warriors, Thunder, etc. It wasn't anywhere close to a guarantee that the pick would be late 20's. That is using hindsight bias.
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Actually I was using projections of standings from several sources before the season started. Hindsight just confirms what they thought.
 
Scalma said:
No. It would’ve happened already. They’ve been trying to dump Faried.
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Very few trades ever happen while the season is still going on as they typically start happening around draft day and then after free agency opens up.
 
hoopsjock said:
Based on what?
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I'd have to go do some research, but it seemed like after he switched to ESPN last summer he started to fall prey to the "always" needing to have a scoop thing. If I remember right on the Kyrie / IT trade he was dead wrong most of the way. Just in general it seems like he does a lot more, "oh there are people talking" type of stuff, and a lot of it hasn't come to fruition. I believe he also "reported" on things with the Kawhi "drama" from this year that the players all denied. I think he was perfect for Yahoo, where he didn't have to always have something to share. On ESPN he's expected to have a scoop all the time.
I'll admit that at least some of it could be in my head.
I assume he'll be back to normal when it comes to the Draft (that's where he's usually ahead of everything).
 
CupWizier said:
Very few trades ever happen while the season is still going on as they typically start happening around draft day and then after free agency opens up.
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Pretty sure they wanted him gone last offseason too, but we’ll see I guess.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I'd have to go do some research, but it seemed like after he switched to ESPN last summer he started to fall prey to the "always" needing to have a scoop thing. If I remember right on the Kyrie / IT trade he was dead wrong most of the way. Just in general it seems like he does a lot more, "oh there are people talking" type of stuff, and a lot of it hasn't come to fruition. I believe he also "reported" on things with the Kawhi "drama" from this year that the players all denied. I think he was perfect for Yahoo, where he didn't have to always have something to share. On ESPN he's expected to have a scoop all the time.
I'll admit that at least some of it could be in my head.
I assume he'll be back to normal when it comes to the Draft (that's where he's usually ahead of everything).
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Agree... I think Shams > Woj now
 
Man, Woj and Shams and all those guys really fuck up the draft, especially if you forget to turn off notifications or accidentally open twitter. It’s gotten to the point where I literally have to turn my phone off. I wish they’d shut the hell up, just for that one night. If there’s ONE thing the NFL does right, it’s putting the clamps on reporters spoiling draft night.
 
blue9 said:
The more I think about it, the more ridiculous it is to think DEN would part with their pick in order to get rid of Faried.
Personally, I think WE'D be stupid to attach a 1st rounder to get rid of Turner or Meyers, so it'd be beyond stupid for DEN to attach a better pick to a (slightly) better player on an expiring contract.
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What about if part of the deal is a switch of the two first round picks; so, our TPE plus 24 for Faried and 14?
 
Scalma said:
Pretty sure they wanted him gone last offseason too, but we’ll see I guess.
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I had mentioned that in one of my other posts that they have allegedly been trying for about 18 months. Also makes you wonder why it never happened as maybe they are expecting more in return, but I think we can agree that a player on an expiring contract is easier to trade than a player with 2 years or more left.
 
Scalma said:
Man, Woj and Shams and all those guys really fuck up the draft, especially if you forget to turn off notifications or accidentally open twitter. It’s gotten to the point where I literally have to turn my phone off. I wish they’d shut the hell up, just for that one night. If there’s ONE thing the NFL does right, it’s putting the clamps on reporters spoiling draft night.
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I agree. It's like they are battling to be the first and I would rather just wait for the announcement at the podium.
 
CupWizier said:
Actually I was using projections of standings from several sources before the season started. Hindsight just confirms what they thought.
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Every sportsbook I just looked up had them in the 7-10th range in over/under win totals. That is somewhere between 21-24.
 
CupWizier said:
I had mentioned that in one of my other posts that they have allegedly been trying for about 18 months. Also makes you wonder why it never happened as maybe they are expecting more in return, but I think we can agree that a player on an expiring contract is easier to trade than a player with 2 years or more left.
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It's because Faried sucks and no one wants him.

Edit: I think you are severely underestimating how desperate teams will be to save money and get cap space this summer. Two years ago was crazy. Last year was a little tempered in terms of free agency but the trade market was crazy. Did you see what happened in baseball during the off season? That type of thing is coming to the NBA.
 
hoopsjock said:
Every sportsbook I just looked up had them in the 7-10th range in over/under win totals. That is somewhere between 21-24.
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When I said one of the top teams in the east I was figuring top 3- 4 (Boston and Cleveland being the top 2) and then about 6th to 8th over all when you factor in the west as well. That would put them in the 23rd to 25th pick. I definitely wouldn't have put any money on it falling below 20th.
 
Scalma said:
It was an unprotected first that turned out to be the 29th pick. Actually it was originally an unprotected 2018 pick.

Toronto dumped demarr carrol, a first, and a second on Brooklyn for nothing in return but financial relief.

And now more than ever teams will be looking to dump money. Not saying Portland will be involved but I’d be surprised if we didn’t see more firsts getting packaged to get out of a shit contract, with nothing else going the other way.
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I certainly hope you're right! I fear that we'll use the TPE on a mediocre vet that won't make us meaningfully better (aka Courtney Lee)...if we use it at all. Perhaps I'm jaded. But I'm certainly in favor of using it to get a draft pick higher than 20!
 
Scalma said:
Another scenario: we package our pick with one of our shit contracts (Evan or Meyers.) We could still buy a second rounder if we wanted to get a prospect and we’d even have the TPE if we really wanted to get back into the first. I’m not really for this scenario though.
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See, it's because I'm not willing to package our pick with one of our shit players that I'm skeptical another team would give us their (better) pick for taking on their (not quite as) shit contract. But perhaps it makes sense for another team, where it doesn't make sense for us?
 
hoopsjock said:
It's because Faried sucks and no one wants him.

Edit: I think you are severely underestimating how desperate teams will be to save money and get cap space this summer. Two years ago was crazy. Last year was a little tempered in terms of free agency but the trade market was crazy. Did you see what happened in baseball during the off season? That type of thing is coming to the NBA.
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Maybe, maybe not. Just sharing my opinion and time will tell what happens.

There could be many factors why Farried has never been dealt yet including the length of his contract and the price. Now he is an expiring contract. Now don't get me wrong, I would definitely do the deal if Denver were to offer it, but I just have a hunch there would likely be more to it (more than just adding the 24th)
 
I think Faried brings a big ego for someone who ultimately hurts spacing and while he makes some flashy defensive plays isn’t a very solid defender. If the Blazers move up I hope it’s in the 8-12 range.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I think Faried brings a big ego for someone who ultimately hurts spacing and while he makes some flashy defensive plays isn’t a very solid defender. If the Blazers move up I hope it’s in the 8-12 range.
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We wouldn't be making this trade for Faried, it would be for the pick. The Blazers don't have enough to get into the 8-12 range without a trade like this first.
 
I’m still conflicted on whats actually going to happen. Everything suggests they will trade the pick but I also know how much Neil and Paul love the draft. I wish they found a way to trade for a vet AND still have a first.
 
Scalma said:
I’m still conflicted on whats actually going to happen. Everything suggests they will trade the pick but I also know how much Neil and Paul love the draft. I wish they found a way to trade for a vet AND still have a first.
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A trade with the Bucks makes sense if we are strictly going off of Olshey's comments. Dellavedova and #17 for #24. Olshey I think met with him during the 2015 off season and he won a title with the Cavs so he has playoff experience and we move up in the draft.
 
hoopsjock said:
A trade with the Bucks makes sense if we are strictly going off of Olshey's comments. Dellavedova and #17 for #24. Olshey I think met with him during the 2015 off season and he won a title with the Cavs so he has playoff experience and we move up in the draft.
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Are they giving us the 17 just to get rid of delladovas contract?
 
hoopsjock said:
A trade with the Bucks makes sense if we are strictly going off of Olshey's comments. Dellavedova and #17 for #24. Olshey I think met with him during the 2015 off season and he won a title with the Cavs so he has playoff experience and we move up in the draft.
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I can’t see Allen ok’ing that. That’s a lot of money to move up a couple spots.
 
Scalma said:
I can’t see Allen ok’ing that. That’s a lot of money to move up a couple spots.
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Unless he and NO think there is a guy at 17 they won’t be able to get at 24. Also Dellavedova does have get experience (Not that, that has helped lately...), and he could be a serviceable back up if Baldwin doesn’t work out.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Unless he and NO think there is a guy at 17 they won’t be able to get at 24. Also Dellavedova does have get experience (Not that, that has helped lately...), and he could be a serviceable back up if Baldwin doesn’t work out.
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Thing is they probably could move up a couple spots by just giving up a second. If they’re gonna take on a shitty contract at least get into the lottery.
 
Scalma said:
Thing is they probably could move up a couple spots by just giving up a second. If they’re gonna take on a shitty contract at least get into the lottery.
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Of course if the Faried trade is on the table you take it.

I still like the Bayless, 26, and rights to Bolden trade first then trade Bayless and 24 for 17 and Dellavedova so we'd have 17 and 26. That is if the Faried thing doesn't work out.
 
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