Trade Ideas Thread

[Fez Hammersticks]

My #1 target: Cedi Osman

 

[BonesJones]

My #1 target: Cedi Osman

Why would Cleveland trade him for anything other than a package that gives up too much?

 

[BonesJones]

Yeah, I like the Otto Porter idea though. Washington will have to make a decision on Porter/Oubre at some point in the next year. Can’t see them paying Oubre with Porter still on the roster.

I love Otto Porter. Here's my ideal trade deadline:

WAS Gets: Harkless, 2019 POR 1st, Right to Swap POR 2020, 3rd team TPE or expiring
POR Gets: Porter Jr., Jodie Meeks (TPE)
3rd Team Gets: Meyers Leonard, future 2nd
then

LAC Gets: Al-Farouq Aminu, Caleb Swanigan, Jake Layman, Nik Stauskas, 2021 POR 1st
POR Gets: Tobias Harris

Sign Oliver and Onuaku

Lillard (36) / Curry (12) / Baldwin
McCollum (35) / Curry (13) / Meeks / Simons
Porter Jr. (24) / Turner (20) / Curry (4) / Trent Jr.
Harris (34) / Porter Jr. (10) / Collins (4)
Nurkic (30) / Collins (18) / Onuaku / Oliver

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I love Otto Porter. Here's my ideal trade deadline:

WAS Gets: Harkless, 2019 POR 1st, Right to Swap POR 2020, 3rd team TPE or expiring
POR Gets: Porter Jr., Jodie Meeks (TPE)
3rd Team Gets: Meyers Leonard, future 2nd
then

LAC Gets: Al-Farouq Aminu, Caleb Swanigan, Jake Layman, Nik Stauskas, 2021 POR 1st
POR Gets: Tobias Harris

Sign Oliver and Onuaku

Lillard (36) / Curry (12) / Baldwin
McCollum (35) / Curry (13) / Meeks / Simons
Porter Jr. (24) / Turner (20) / Curry (4) / Trent Jr.
Harris (34) / Porter Jr. (10) / Collins (4)
Nurkic (30) / Collins (18) / Onuaku / Oliver

Clips have 17 guaranteed contracts as is, they're not looking for 3 more.

 

[BonesJones]

Clips have 17 guaranteed contracts as is, they're not looking for 3 more.

They'd have 15 mid-season, and would likely cut Stauskas and Layman leaving them with to 16. They could send us Evans who we could absorb with our MLE. We'd just need to match salary.

 

[Scalma]

Now that we went another offseason without any significant trades, here’s what’s going to happen at the deadline.

Neil will trade Harkless to the Kings for one of their expirings to get under the tax for next season. Probably Shumpert. Neil will sell it as acquiring a playoff tested vet. I will have a bittersweet feeling since there was a time when he appealed to me as a player, but not as a rental, and certainly not at the expense of Harkless. Paul Allen will then breath a quick sigh of relief, as will the couple of resident accountants on the board, and Neil will go back to selling everyone on the idea that there are better deals to be had in the summer. Round and round we go.

Bart Scott voice: Cant wait.

 

[hoopsjock]

Now that we went another offseason without any significant trades, here’s what’s going to happen at the deadline.

Neil will trade Harkless to the Kings for one of their expirings to get under the tax for next season. Probably Shumpert. Neil will sell it as acquiring a playoff tested vet. I will have a bittersweet feeling since there was a time when he appealed to me as a player, but not as a rental, and certainly not at the expense of Harkless. Paul Allen will then breath a quick sigh of relief, as will the couple of resident accountants on the board, and Neil will go back to selling everyone on the idea that there are better deals to be had in the summer. Round and round we go.

Bart Scott voice: Cant wait.

Why would they make a trade to save luxury tax money next year? The tax line is supposed to jump up to $132 million. If Harkless goes missing for parts of the season again I'd be fine trading him for an expiring.

 

[Scalma]

Why would they make a trade to save luxury tax money next year? The tax line is supposed to jump up to $132 million. If Harkless goes missing for parts of the season again I'd be fine trading him for an expiring.

My point is the only moves they’ll make will be financially motivated, because that’s pretty much all they’ve been doing the last year

1. Dumped Crabbe
2. Dumped Vonleh
3. Traded 15 and 20 for 10, saving them money

Until I see an actual commitment to anything other than the teams payroll, I won’t expect anything else.

 

[hoopsjock]

My point is the only moves they’ll make will be financially motivated, because that’s pretty much all they’ve been doing the last year

1. Dumped Crabbe
2. Dumped Vonleh
3. Traded 15 and 20 for 10, saving them money

Until I see an actual commitment to anything other than the teams payroll, I won’t expect anything else.

Every move you mentioned saved them money on the current league year those trades took place. The only move I can think of that was for the next year financially was Mason Plumlee but I think that had more to do with simply not wanting to pay Plumlee that much.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Paul Allen will then breath a quick sigh of relief, as will the couple of resident accountants on the board

As president of that club, I reject this notion.

 

[Scalma]

Every move you mentioned saved them money on the current league year those trades took place. The only move I can think of that was for the next year financially was Mason Plumlee but I think that had more to do with simply not wanting to pay Plumlee that much.

So dumping Crabbe and Vonleh had no impact on subsequent payrolls?

 

[hoopsjock]

So dumping Crabbe and Vonleh had no impact on subsequent payrolls?

Well since Crabbe had 3 years left on his deal of course it did but the main point of the trade was to get close enough to the luxury tax line to get under at the deadline, which they did. It's not like they traded him for an expiring contract though.

The Vonleh trade absolutely had no impact on subsequent payrolls. He was in the final year of his deal and moving him got us under the tax line for the current season.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Well since Crabbe had 3 years left on his deal of course it did but the main point of the trade was to get close enough to the luxury tax line to get under at the deadline, which they did. It's not like they traded him for an expiring contract though.

The Vonleh trade absolutely had no impact on subsequent payrolls. He was in the final year of his deal and moving him got us under the tax line for the current season.

So you think they’ll trade aminu(I think hes expiring?) to stay under? I assume they’re over right now? I dont have any idea where there ar cap wise at the moment.

 

[hoopsjock]

So you think they’ll trade aminu(I think hes expiring?) to stay under? I assume they’re over right now? I dont have any idea where there ar cap wise at the moment.

No, trading Aminu by himself doesn't get them under. Plus other than the Kings no other team can take on that much salary (without looking at if any teams have a big trade exception). The whole point of getting under the last couple years was to not start the repeater tax knowing that this year would be the year it would become really hard to duck the tax. The Nurk deal did help a little bit in terms of it not being impossible but it's still unlikely.

Now if they did the deal with Sacramento that Scalma mentioned without bringing back anyone (just give them Harkless) then we could duck the tax or if they got Sacramento to take Leonard with a 1st round pick attached or something like that. I don't think it's going to happen this year.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

No, trading Aminu by himself doesn't get them under. Plus other than the Kings no other team can take on that much salary (without looking at if any teams have a big trade exception). The whole point of getting under the last couple years was to not start the repeater tax knowing that this year would be the year it would become really hard to duck the tax. The Nurk deal did help a little bit in terms of it not being impossible but it's still unlikely.

Now if they did the deal with Sacramento that Scalma mentioned without bringing back anyone (just give them Harkless) then we could duck the tax or if they got Sacramento to take Leonard with a 1st round pick attached or something like that. I don't think it's going to happen this year.

Ah I see thanks for running through that for me.

 

[Scalma]

Well since Crabbe had 3 years left on his deal of course it did but the main point of the trade was to get close enough to the luxury tax line to get under at the deadline, which they did. It's not like they traded him for an expiring contract though.

The Vonleh trade absolutely had no impact on subsequent payrolls. He was in the final year of his deal and moving him got us under the tax line for the current season.

Trading Vonleh had an impact unless you think they would’ve renounced him had he stayed. Looking at our roster, specifically the front court, I’m not sure they would have. But that’s a hypothetical.

 

[hoopsjock]

Trading Vonleh had an impact unless you think they would’ve renounced him had he stayed. Looking at our roster, specifically the front court, I’m not sure they would have. But that’s a hypothetical.

That argument kind of goes out the window when he signed for a partially guaranteed deal with NY. This isn't like the Plumlee situation where Portland knew they were going to have to overpay for him if he stayed.

 

[Scalma]

That argument kind of goes out the window when he signed for a partially guaranteed deal with NY. This isn't like the Plumlee situation where Portland knew they were going to have to overpay for him if he stayed.

realistically speaking Vonlehs fate was sealed the minute they drafted Biggie. Explains why he was benched once Aminu came back from his injury despite playing well. Then they dumped him to get under the tax and kept an inferior (but cheaper) player in Swanigan.

I’d do a Biggie/Vonleh swap in a second.

But my question is if they knew Ed wasn’t going to be brought back, why didn’t they trade him at the deadline? They could’ve dipped under the tax and held onto Vonleh at the same time. Now we lost both and are relying on fucking Meyers Leonard for rotation minutes while Caleb has one foot out of the league.

 

[hoopsjock]

realistically speaking Vonlehs fate was sealed the minute they drafted Biggie. Explains why he was benched once Aminu came back from his injury despite playing well. Then they dumped him to get under the tax and kept an inferior (but cheaper) player in Swanigan.

I’d do a Biggie/Vonleh swap in a second.

But my question is if they knew Ed wasn’t going to be brought back, why didn’t they trade him at the deadline? They could’ve dipped under the tax and held onto Vonleh at the same time. Now we lost both and are relying on fucking Meyers Leonard for rotation minutes while Caleb has one foot out of the league.

I brought that exact point up earlier today:

My only counter to this is that decision should have been made on February 8th when the Blazers had just lost 3 in a row and were 29-25. They could've possibly gotten a 2nd round pick and ducked the luxury tax line instead of paying Chicago to take Vonleh. They also could've used that 2nd round pick to get Trent easier instead of giving up two future 2nd rounders.

 

[Scalma]

I brought that exact point up earlier today:

I honestly don’t think the decision to let Ed go was made until the Pelicans series. He was the fall guy, and it opened the door up for Meyers to prove Neil was right about him all along. I’m sure that idea got him hard. I thought handing Connaughton a rotation spot was bad last year, but it’s nothing compared to what’s unfolding this year.

 

[rotary111]

We need some experienced bigs on this team. Caleb, Meyers, and Aminu, are just not going to cut it. Zach still has time to grow. Instead of looking for the next misused young big, I would like to see us pick up an experienced big who is in the way of some young guns waiting to develop kind of like what happened with big Ed. One name that comes to mind at least for me is Nikola Vucevic. He isn't the best defensively but isn't bad either. Offensively he is a stud and will be 28 this year...and like I said he has youngins waiting to develop in Bamba and Isaac. Nikola could still work with Zach and 2 7 footers (Nurk?) who can shoot from distance would really open up the paint.

I have no idea what his actual value is, but having someone who can get you that kind of production from the inside out with the second unit would be a huge boost.

This seems like an Olshey move to me and is within Dame and CJ's timeline.

https://hoopshype.com/storyline/nikola-vucevic-trade/

 

[Scalma]

We need some experienced bigs on this team. Caleb, Meyers, and Aminu, are just not going to cut it. Zach still has time to grow. Instead of looking for the next misused young big, I would like to see us pick up an experienced big who is in the way of some young guns waiting to develop kind of like what happened with big Ed. One name that comes to mind at least for me is Nikola Vucevic. He isn't the best defensively but isn't bad either. Offensively he is a stud and will be 28 this year...and like I said he has youngins waiting to develop in Bamaba and Isaac. Nikola could still work with Zach and 2 7 footers (Nurk?) who can shoot from distance would really open up the paint.

I have no idea what his actual value is, but having someone who can get you that kind of production from the inside out with the second unit would be a huge boost.

This seems like an Olshey move to me and is within Dame and CJ's timeline.

https://hoopshype.com/storyline/nikola-vucevic-trade/

I’d take Vucevic as a backup, and he’s an expiring, but I don’t see how we’d match up financially/player wise with Orlando.

Some targets that might be available

Bobby Portis
Tyler Lydon
DJ Wilson
Isaiah Hartenstein
Cheick Diallo
Vonleh
Richaun Holmes
Chris McCullough

All these guys are young, which kinda goes against your point, but I couldnt really find any realistic vets worth pursuing.

Some of these guys might get cut before the season. Some aren’t eligible to be traded just yet. But I would take all these guys over Swanigan and Meyers. I’d seriously consider cutting Biggie at this stage. I’ve seen higher picks let go earlier.

 

[Scalma]

Thon Maker could be available with the play of Christian Wood...

He’d fit in the Vonleh TPE. Wouldn’t give up a first but I’d be interested.

 

[BonesJones]

Thon Maker could be available with the play of Christian Wood...

He’d fit in the Vonleh TPE. Wouldn’t give up a first but I’d be interested.

I doubt they'd give up on him so soon. He's still very young.

 

[Sarni]

I doubt they'd give up on him so soon. He's still very young.

Well he might be very young, nobody knows for sure.

They certainly won't need a first. I'm at a Bucks forum (they are a team of interest for me) and their fans would be delighted to get a 2nd for him.

 

[Scalma]

Well he might be very young, nobody knows for sure.

They certainly won't need a first. I'm at a Bucks forum (they are a team of interest for me) and their fans would be delighted to get a 2nd for him.

Could be like a Harkless type move. They also have DJ Wilson who I liked outta college. I’d take either one.

It’s crazy that short of going small our backup bigs are Meyers, Biggie, and Collins. Two haven’t shown NBA talent and the third is still raw.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Seems like the Clips have a TON of duplication and an eye on next Summer. Shame most of the duplication is at guard. But look at their roster:
Guard: Their two rookies, who are obviously the future (Robinson and Gilgeous-Alexander), plus
Lou Williams
Avery Bradley
Patrick Beverley
Milos Teodosic
Tyrone Wallace, Sindarious Thornwell, Jawun Evans
Something's got to give. If they waive Thornwell, I would love it if we could sign him somehow because he's a great defender. I'd never heard of Evans, but I watched the Clippers-Denver game and he threw some nifty passes.
Also, I doubt they see Gallo as the future but I've always liked his skillset. He's like the rich man's Jake Layman.

 

[tester551]

Thon Maker could be available with the play of Christian Wood...

He’d fit in the Vonleh TPE. Wouldn’t give up a first but I’d be interested.

Too bad we didn't pick Wood up ourselves when he was on the FA market.... like I was advocating for.

 

[hoopsjock]

Could be like a Harkless type move. They also have DJ Wilson who I liked outta college. I’d take either one.

It’s crazy that short of going small our backup bigs are Meyers, Biggie, and Collins. Two haven’t shown NBA talent and the third is still raw.

I kind of like the idea of a Collins/Maker combo on the 2nd unit. The Bucks were one of the teams I was hoping we'd use the Crabbe-TPE with to take on a bad contract to add Maker or Brogdon. My guess is we probably could've had Maker and Dellavedova for nothing in return if Allen was willing to pay that much tax.

 

[Scalma]

Hey Neil get on it. Actually I doubt anyone trades for him but I’d love Wilson on a two way.