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Lets get a little wild... If the season isn't going well at the deadline, this would be fun. This is a 4-team trade but essentially, Sacremento is simply taking on bad contracts to get a 1st round pick. Since Portland is trading the best player, they dictate terms and part of the deal is them shedding bad contracts. Lots of fringe-NBA players involved for salary purposes so I color coded it. Green is the main pieces in the trade. Blue is picks. Gray is meaningless filler contracts. Red is unwanted contracts. Black is a PG swap for mainly salary purposes. For fun, rate the deal between 1-5 for all teams involved.

POR Gets: Mohamed Bamba, 2019 ORL 1st, Wesley Johnson, Zach Randolph, Ben McLemore, Jerian Grant, $25M TPE (C.J. McCollum),
ORL Gets: C.J. McCollum, Elfrid Payton, Solomon Hill
NOP Gets: Terrence Ross, D.J. Augustin, Jarrell Martin (TPE), Meyers Leonard, Future 2nds
SAC Gets: Evan Turner, Johnathan Simmons, 2019 NOP 1st, Jahlil Okafor

Orlando gets McCollum/Payton/Hill for Bamba/2019 1st/Augustin/filler contracts. (I rate this a 3.5)
- Orlando is hovering around .500 and the 8th seed, and this is the type of trade they're known for. They need a guard that can score at a high level. They might want to keep Vucevic so that might make Bamba expendable for them. The PG swap is pretty even. Hill is an anchor contract they take on to make this trade happen.

New Orleans gets Ross/Augustin/Leonard/Martin/2nds for Hill/Payton/Johnson/Okafor/'19 1st (I rate this a 4)
- New Orleans gets Ross, who's improved a lot this year and gives them some much needed wing help. Augustin is an upgrade over Payton due to Payton's injury issues. The swap out Hill's bad contract for Meyers' slightly cheaper bad contract to make salaries work. They give up a 1st for future 2nds to make this work.

Sacremento gets Turner/Simmons/Okafor/'19 NOP 1st for Randolph/McLemore/Cap Space (I rate this a 4.5)
- Sacremento has no pick in 2019, so adding one for their cap space makes a lot of sense. They also need some SF depth, so Turner/Simmons might be able to slightly help them.

Portland gets Bamba/'19 ORL 1st/$25M TPE/expiring filler contracts for McCollum/Turner/Leonard (I rate this a 5)
- This sheds $22.5M in salary for this season, and clears up apx. $46M for next off-season. Portland adds Bamba, and a Collins/Bamba frontcourt is an insane duo with great potential, as both have the potential to be elite rim protectors while also being agile enough to switch and run the court. They can also both post up and hit 3s, spacing for each other as well as the perimeter players. Getting another pick in the top 20 would be nice and allow Portland to be able to trade up for a guy like Hachimura. Portland could also trade Nurkic for wing help or cap space and slot Collins/Bamba into the lineup. I'd love to see Portland trade Nurkic for a guy like Taurean Prince and one of Atlanta's 1st/2nd round picks.

A core of Lillard, Bamba, Collins, Hachimura, and Prine is very solid, and the frontcourt is almost covered with decent, young, cheap two-way players. Portland would also have apx. $60M in cap space for next off-season, to go after guys like Klay Thompson (come home to Portland?), and Julius Randle. I think we could land Randle on a 2-year max contract (2nd year is a team option), and he'd be a great fit with Collins/Bamba at C since they can both shoot and space for Randle. Jeremy Lamb & Tyreke Evans on something like 1-year, $15M deals would probably be possible too. This would preserve $60M in cap space for 2020. This would be our lineup:

Dame (36) / Tyreke (12)
Lamb (33) / Tyreke (15)
Prince (30) / Hachimura (15) / Tyreke (3)
Collins (16) / Randle (32)
Bamba (32) / Collins (16)

That team might just be better than this years team. They'd certainly be better set up for the future with much more flexibility.
 
I would at least explore a two-team trade involving McCollum for Bamba and filler, and then try to shed salary in the off-season.
 
BonesJones said:
Lets get a little wild... If the season isn't going well at the deadline, this would be fun. This is a 4-team trade but essentially, Sacremento is simply taking on bad contracts to get a 1st round pick. Since Portland is trading the best player, they dictate terms and part of the deal is them shedding bad contracts. Lots of fringe-NBA players involved for salary purposes so I color coded it. Green is the main pieces in the trade. Blue is picks. Gray is meaningless filler contracts. Red is unwanted contracts. Black is a PG swap for mainly salary purposes. For fun, rate the deal between 1-5 for all teams involved.

POR Gets: Mohamed Bamba, 2019 ORL 1st, Wesley Johnson, Zach Randolph, Ben McLemore, Jerian Grant, $25M TPE (C.J. McCollum),
ORL Gets: C.J. McCollum, Elfrid Payton, Solomon Hill
NOP Gets: Terrence Ross, D.J. Augustin, Jarrell Martin (TPE), Meyers Leonard, Future 2nds
SAC Gets: Evan Turner, Johnathan Simmons, 2019 NOP 1st, Jahlil Okafor

Orlando gets McCollum/Payton/Hill for Bamba/2019 1st/Augustin/filler contracts. (I rate this a 3.5)
- Orlando is hovering around .500 and the 8th seed, and this is the type of trade they're known for. They need a guard that can score at a high level. They might want to keep Vucevic so that might make Bamba expendable for them. The PG swap is pretty even. Hill is an anchor contract they take on to make this trade happen.

New Orleans gets Ross/Augustin/Leonard/Martin/2nds for Hill/Payton/Johnson/Okafor/'19 1st (I rate this a 4)
- New Orleans gets Ross, who's improved a lot this year and gives them some much needed wing help. Augustin is an upgrade over Payton due to Payton's injury issues. The swap out Hill's bad contract for Meyers' slightly cheaper bad contract to make salaries work. They give up a 1st for future 2nds to make this work.

Sacremento gets Turner/Simmons/Okafor/'19 NOP 1st for Randolph/McLemore/Cap Space (I rate this a 4.5)
- Sacremento has no pick in 2019, so adding one for their cap space makes a lot of sense. They also need some SF depth, so Turner/Simmons might be able to slightly help them.

Portland gets Bamba/'19 ORL 1st/$25M TPE/expiring filler contracts for McCollum/Turner/Leonard (I rate this a 5)
- This sheds $22.5M in salary for this season, and clears up apx. $46M for next off-season. Portland adds Bamba, and a Collins/Bamba frontcourt is an insane duo with great potential, as both have the potential to be elite rim protectors while also being agile enough to switch and run the court. They can also both post up and hit 3s, spacing for each other as well as the perimeter players. Getting another pick in the top 20 would be nice and allow Portland to be able to trade up for a guy like Hachimura. Portland could also trade Nurkic for wing help or cap space and slot Collins/Bamba into the lineup. I'd love to see Portland trade Nurkic for a guy like Taurean Prince and one of Atlanta's 1st/2nd round picks.

A core of Lillard, Bamba, Collins, Hachimura, and Prine is very solid, and the frontcourt is almost covered with decent, young, cheap two-way players. Portland would also have apx. $60M in cap space for next off-season, to go after guys like Klay Thompson (come home to Portland?), and Julius Randle. I think we could land Randle on a 2-year max contract (2nd year is a team option), and he'd be a great fit with Collins/Bamba at C since they can both shoot and space for Randle. Jeremy Lamb & Tyreke Evans on something like 1-year, $15M deals would probably be possible too. This would preserve $60M in cap space for 2020. This would be our lineup:

Dame (36) / Tyreke (12)
Lamb (33) / Tyreke (15)
Prince (30) / Hachimura (15) / Tyreke (3)
Collins (16) / Randle (32)
Bamba (32) / Collins (16)

That team might just be better than this years team. They'd certainly be better set up for the future with much more flexibility.
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Maybe Sacramento out of all of those teams would do that but the other teams wouldn't.
 
BonesJones said:
Lets get a little wild... If the season isn't going well at the deadline, this would be fun. This is a 4-team trade but essentially, Sacremento is simply taking on bad contracts to get a 1st round pick. Since Portland is trading the best player, they dictate terms and part of the deal is them shedding bad contracts. Lots of fringe-NBA players involved for salary purposes so I color coded it. Green is the main pieces in the trade. Blue is picks. Gray is meaningless filler contracts. Red is unwanted contracts. Black is a PG swap for mainly salary purposes. For fun, rate the deal between 1-5 for all teams involved.

POR Gets: Mohamed Bamba, 2019 ORL 1st, Wesley Johnson, Zach Randolph, Ben McLemore, Jerian Grant, $25M TPE (C.J. McCollum),
ORL Gets: C.J. McCollum, Elfrid Payton, Solomon Hill
NOP Gets: Terrence Ross, D.J. Augustin, Jarrell Martin (TPE), Meyers Leonard, Future 2nds
SAC Gets: Evan Turner, Johnathan Simmons, 2019 NOP 1st, Jahlil Okafor

Orlando gets McCollum/Payton/Hill for Bamba/2019 1st/Augustin/filler contracts. (I rate this a 3.5)
- Orlando is hovering around .500 and the 8th seed, and this is the type of trade they're known for. They need a guard that can score at a high level. They might want to keep Vucevic so that might make Bamba expendable for them. The PG swap is pretty even. Hill is an anchor contract they take on to make this trade happen.

New Orleans gets Ross/Augustin/Leonard/Martin/2nds for Hill/Payton/Johnson/Okafor/'19 1st (I rate this a 4)
- New Orleans gets Ross, who's improved a lot this year and gives them some much needed wing help. Augustin is an upgrade over Payton due to Payton's injury issues. The swap out Hill's bad contract for Meyers' slightly cheaper bad contract to make salaries work. They give up a 1st for future 2nds to make this work.

Sacremento gets Turner/Simmons/Okafor/'19 NOP 1st for Randolph/McLemore/Cap Space (I rate this a 4.5)
- Sacremento has no pick in 2019, so adding one for their cap space makes a lot of sense. They also need some SF depth, so Turner/Simmons might be able to slightly help them.

Portland gets Bamba/'19 ORL 1st/$25M TPE/expiring filler contracts for McCollum/Turner/Leonard (I rate this a 5)
- This sheds $22.5M in salary for this season, and clears up apx. $46M for next off-season. Portland adds Bamba, and a Collins/Bamba frontcourt is an insane duo with great potential, as both have the potential to be elite rim protectors while also being agile enough to switch and run the court. They can also both post up and hit 3s, spacing for each other as well as the perimeter players. Getting another pick in the top 20 would be nice and allow Portland to be able to trade up for a guy like Hachimura. Portland could also trade Nurkic for wing help or cap space and slot Collins/Bamba into the lineup. I'd love to see Portland trade Nurkic for a guy like Taurean Prince and one of Atlanta's 1st/2nd round picks.

A core of Lillard, Bamba, Collins, Hachimura, and Prine is very solid, and the frontcourt is almost covered with decent, young, cheap two-way players. Portland would also have apx. $60M in cap space for next off-season, to go after guys like Klay Thompson (come home to Portland?), and Julius Randle. I think we could land Randle on a 2-year max contract (2nd year is a team option), and he'd be a great fit with Collins/Bamba at C since they can both shoot and space for Randle. Jeremy Lamb & Tyreke Evans on something like 1-year, $15M deals would probably be possible too. This would preserve $60M in cap space for 2020. This would be our lineup:

Dame (36) / Tyreke (12)
Lamb (33) / Tyreke (15)
Prince (30) / Hachimura (15) / Tyreke (3)
Collins (16) / Randle (32)
Bamba (32) / Collins (16)

That team might just be better than this years team. They'd certainly be better set up for the future with much more flexibility.
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A 4 team, 17 player trade? Never will happen.
 
BonesJones said:
Lets get a little wild... If the season isn't going well at the deadline, this would be fun. This is a 4-team trade but essentially, Sacremento is simply taking on bad contracts to get a 1st round pick. Since Portland is trading the best player, they dictate terms and part of the deal is them shedding bad contracts. Lots of fringe-NBA players involved for salary purposes so I color coded it. Green is the main pieces in the trade. Blue is picks. Gray is meaningless filler contracts. Red is unwanted contracts. Black is a PG swap for mainly salary purposes. For fun, rate the deal between 1-5 for all teams involved.

POR Gets: Mohamed Bamba, 2019 ORL 1st, Wesley Johnson, Zach Randolph, Ben McLemore, Jerian Grant, $25M TPE (C.J. McCollum),
ORL Gets: C.J. McCollum, Elfrid Payton, Solomon Hill
NOP Gets: Terrence Ross, D.J. Augustin, Jarrell Martin (TPE), Meyers Leonard, Future 2nds
SAC Gets: Evan Turner, Johnathan Simmons, 2019 NOP 1st, Jahlil Okafor

Orlando gets McCollum/Payton/Hill for Bamba/2019 1st/Augustin/filler contracts. (I rate this a 3.5)
- Orlando is hovering around .500 and the 8th seed, and this is the type of trade they're known for. They need a guard that can score at a high level. They might want to keep Vucevic so that might make Bamba expendable for them. The PG swap is pretty even. Hill is an anchor contract they take on to make this trade happen.

New Orleans gets Ross/Augustin/Leonard/Martin/2nds for Hill/Payton/Johnson/Okafor/'19 1st (I rate this a 4)
- New Orleans gets Ross, who's improved a lot this year and gives them some much needed wing help. Augustin is an upgrade over Payton due to Payton's injury issues. The swap out Hill's bad contract for Meyers' slightly cheaper bad contract to make salaries work. They give up a 1st for future 2nds to make this work.

Sacremento gets Turner/Simmons/Okafor/'19 NOP 1st for Randolph/McLemore/Cap Space (I rate this a 4.5)
- Sacremento has no pick in 2019, so adding one for their cap space makes a lot of sense. They also need some SF depth, so Turner/Simmons might be able to slightly help them.

Portland gets Bamba/'19 ORL 1st/$25M TPE/expiring filler contracts for McCollum/Turner/Leonard (I rate this a 5)
- This sheds $22.5M in salary for this season, and clears up apx. $46M for next off-season. Portland adds Bamba, and a Collins/Bamba frontcourt is an insane duo with great potential, as both have the potential to be elite rim protectors while also being agile enough to switch and run the court. They can also both post up and hit 3s, spacing for each other as well as the perimeter players. Getting another pick in the top 20 would be nice and allow Portland to be able to trade up for a guy like Hachimura. Portland could also trade Nurkic for wing help or cap space and slot Collins/Bamba into the lineup. I'd love to see Portland trade Nurkic for a guy like Taurean Prince and one of Atlanta's 1st/2nd round picks.

A core of Lillard, Bamba, Collins, Hachimura, and Prine is very solid, and the frontcourt is almost covered with decent, young, cheap two-way players. Portland would also have apx. $60M in cap space for next off-season, to go after guys like Klay Thompson (come home to Portland?), and Julius Randle. I think we could land Randle on a 2-year max contract (2nd year is a team option), and he'd be a great fit with Collins/Bamba at C since they can both shoot and space for Randle. Jeremy Lamb & Tyreke Evans on something like 1-year, $15M deals would probably be possible too. This would preserve $60M in cap space for 2020. This would be our lineup:

Dame (36) / Tyreke (12)
Lamb (33) / Tyreke (15)
Prince (30) / Hachimura (15) / Tyreke (3)
Collins (16) / Randle (32)
Bamba (32) / Collins (16)

That team might just be better than this years team. They'd certainly be better set up for the future with much more flexibility.
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If we get GM that use some of that huge TPE we get another quality player.
 
BonesJones said:
You don't think Orlando would?
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Not for CJ. They're giving up Bamba, a 1st round pick, take on a bad contract (2 if you count CJ), and have to have Elfrid back. I think that would be a huge no from them.

They are the Magic though so I guess "anything is possible".
 
BonesJones said:
You don't think Orlando would?
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I don't think they're going to give up on Bamba that easy either. I thought that was one of the worst teams for Bamba to go to develop. You and I were both super high on him. I also thought the Suns were a terrible landing spot for Mikal Bridges.
 
hoopsjock said:
I don't think they're going to give up on Bamba that easy either. I thought that was one of the worst teams for Bamba to go to develop. You and I were both super high on him. I also thought the Suns were a terrible landing spot for Mikal Bridges.
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The Suns are a terrible landing spot for anyone right now, which is actually kind of sad because I generally kind of like the Suns.
 
hoopsjock said:
Not for CJ. They're giving up Bamba, a 1st round pick, take on a bad contract (2 if you count CJ), and have to have Elfrid back. I think that would be a huge no from them.

They are the Magic though so I guess "anything is possible".
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That was kinda the mindset. This is their type of deal.

Realistically speaking, itd be something like Ross, Simmons, Bamba and a 1st for McCollum.
 
BonesJones said:
That was kinda the mindset. This is their type of deal.

Realistically speaking, itd be something like Ross, Simmons, Bamba and a 1st for McCollum.
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I guess it would come down to how much they value CJ but I would find it hard to believe any one would give up a rookie top-10 pick and a 1st rounder for CJ at this point.
 
hoopsjock said:
I guess it would come down to how much they value CJ but I would find it hard to believe any one would give up a rookie top-10 pick and a 1st rounder for CJ at this point.
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I do too, but who knows with them. I just want Collins and Bamba in the same frontcourt.

I've simply come around to the thought that we need to trade C.J. for a solid rotation player on his rookie contract, expiring(s), and a pick.
 
BonesJones said:
I do too, but who knows with them. I just want Collins and Bamba in the same frontcourt.

I've simply come around to the thought that we need to trade C.J. for a solid rotation player on his rookie contract, expiring(s), and a pick.
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I participated in several mock off seasons this past summer and in one of them I was the Hornets.

I ended up with Zach Collins and Mo Bamba, which was a specific goal I had. I also got Sexton. So I understand what you're trying to do, I just don't think the timing is right nor if CJ is worth that much anymore.
 
I like La Bamba better than Mo Bamba. I like Nurk at 23 growing each year into a dominant force more than another toothpick, who isn't better than the current center they have.
 
Man Wizard fans are pissed. I saw a funny joke on one of their sites though:

Grunfeld (Wizards GM) had a trade with Boston Morris for Morris. He's happy to announce they've acquired Markieff Morris.
 
Scalma said:
Zach’s ceiling is higher than Browns. Brown hasn’t really shown potential to be anything more than a role player.
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How is Zach's ceiling higher? Because he's younger? What possible matrix are you using to say with such confidence that Zach's ceiling is higher than Brown's?
 
A relatively simple trade:

Portland trades Harkless and Leonard to Chicago

Chicago trades J. Parker to Washington

Washington trades O. Porter to Portland

[Espn trade machine approved]
 
BonesJones said:
I do too, but who knows with them. I just want Collins and Bamba in the same frontcourt.

I've simply come around to the thought that we need to trade C.J. for a solid rotation player on his rookie contract, expiring(s), and a pick.
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Also, not having a certain Patriot fan here helped me come to this conclusion.
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
A relatively simple trade:

Portland trades Harkless and Leonard to Chicago

Chicago trades J. Parker to Washington

Washington trades O. Porter to Portland

[Espn trade machine approved]
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Why would Washington do that? That equates to 0 value for Porter since they'd decline Parkers option.

Also, why does Chicago do that? An extra $20M next year for mediocre role players? I don't set them doing that.
 
Mediocre Man said:
How is Zach's ceiling higher? Because he's younger? What possible matrix are you using to say with such confidence that Zach's ceiling is higher than Brown's?
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Brown is in his third year and has a PER of 10. That’s well below average for a starter. Last year it was 13.6. Still below average. Zach is in his second year and is at 14.5. Browns VORP is in the negative. You can bring up defense but Zach’s DPM in his first two years is superior to anything Brown has put up.

Besides that, Collins plays a more premium position.

Any other questions?
 
Ive looked all over and cant seem to find it.
I know this was discussed before, but has there ever been a case of a player restructuring an active contract in the middle of it, to lessen the players pay in order to help the team payroll and provide opportunity to bring in more talent?

I know FA’s have been known to sign cheap on contenders but what about in the middle of a contract?

Didnt KD say last year he would be willing to restructure to keep thier band together?


Dame’s brand is big and he has a 100mill shoe contract.
If he really loves it here aNd really wants to win, the best thing he could do is not wait for his contract to come up.
The best thing he could do is go to NO and say “look. Pay me 20 mill for 5 seasons and ill shred the old and sign the new. “
I mean, not counting what he has made already or what he will sign for in another five years , is not $220 mill enough???
Just sayin...
Same goes for CJ... $15 mill a year?

That alone would allow us money to bring in a superstar (providing they would sign)

Im just saying, with all the talk aBout wanting to win here, the best way to show it would be to help the payroll situation to free up options for management.
Max deals are too easily handed out. Very few teams should have a max deal because very few teams have a top ten player.
 
BonesJones said:
Why would Washington do that? That equates to 0 value for Porter since they'd decline Parkers option.

Also, why does Chicago do that? An extra $20M next year for mediocre role players? I don't set them doing that.
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Washington appears to be setting up for Summer salary dumping. Ariza and Parker (as per my trade idea) would clear a ton of space for them this Summer when pursuing free agents (they may need picks to sweeten the pot);

The Bulls get rid of a problem in Parker and add Harkless and Leonard - they need a bench

The Blazers would acquire a solid SF but at an expense! So CJ may have to be traded.
 
Scalma said:
Brown is in his third year and has a PER of 10. That’s well below average for a starter. Last year it was 13.6. Still below average. Zach is in his second year and is at 14.5. Browns VORP is in the negative. You can bring up defense but Zach’s DPM in his first two years is superior to anything Brown has put up.

Besides that, Collins plays a more premium position.

Any other questions?
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How is a non wing a premium position in todays nba?
 
To expand on brown, here’s how he lines up with Moe Harkless’ first three seasons.

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We got Moe after his third season for a bag of sun chips, but Brown is going to be a headliner in an Anthony Davis trade? Lol no.
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
Washington appears to be setting up for Summer salary dumping. Ariza and Parker (as per my trade idea) would clear a ton of space for them this Summer when pursuing free agents (they may need picks to sweeten the pot);

The Bulls get rid of a problem in Parker and add Harkless and Leonard - they need a bench

The Blazers would acquire a solid SF but at an expense! So CJ may have to be traded.
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Why wouldnt the Wizards just offer Porter to SAC for Kofous. McLemore, Labissiere, & Future 2nds? That's already a much better package for low, and the future.
 
Scalma said:
To expand on brown, here’s how he lines up with Moe Harkless’ first three seasons.

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We got Moe after his third season for a bag of sun chips, but Brown is going to be a headliner in an Anthony Davis trade? Lol no.
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There's this thing called long-term potential, that teams that trade stars like to get in return.

The headliner would be the top 10 pick that has a chance of becoming a top 3 pick that they'd get, as well as the four other 1st round picks Boston could throw their way.
 
BonesJones said:
There's this thing called long-term potential, that teams that trade stars like to get in return.

The headliner would be the top 10 pick that has a chance of becoming a top 3 pick that they'd get, as well as the four other 1st round picks Boston could throw their way.
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He’s in his third season and has been a rotation player since his rookie year. Where’s the development? He’s a low IQ (I’m talking basketball IQ, I know he’s book smart) player with some athletic tools. So, Moe Harkless.
 
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