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Scalma said:
He’s in his third season and has been a rotation player since his rookie year. Where’s the development? He’s a low IQ (I’m talking basketball IQ, I know he’s book smart) player with some athletic tools. So, Moe Harkless.
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Damn, I didnt know turning 22 meant you no longer had long-term potential. Thanks for enlightening me.
 
BonesJones said:
Damn, I didnt know turning 22 meant you no longer had long-term potential. Thanks for enlightening me.
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Potential is convenient, doesn’t require any accountability.

“He might be good one day.”

You know what? Thank YOU for enlightening me.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Classic from someone who realized they are wrong.

Love the "hot take" with no facts behind it, then go with "not interested"
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While I laughed at the projection, I’m still not interested. Thanks though.
 
Portland’s committed payroll for next season is roughly $126M (included Curry’s player option)

That’s $6M away from the tax line with only 12 players under contract.

So with that in mind, I could actually see Olshey attaching a protected first to a Turner or Harkless/Leonard package and going after Parker, or some other comparable expiring.

Do I agree with it? No, I don’t want to attach picks to dump contracts, but if you take all the moves in the last year and change into consideration, it makes sense.
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
A relatively simple trade:

Portland trades Harkless and Leonard to Chicago

Chicago trades J. Parker to Washington

Washington trades O. Porter to Portland

[Espn trade machine approved]
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Dame - 30M/year
CJ - 28M/year
Porter - 27M/year

Blazers would be paying 85M/year for 3 players and only 1 of them earns the salary they get

Portland is in the mess they are because Olshey massively overpaid for production well below all-star level, and that definitely includes CJ. Your trade doubles-down on that loopy policy...sorry

Portland is already face-down in a cul-de-sac. Scooting deeper into that dead end just makes the situation worse

Portland can't get where they need to get without stepping back from their predicament , maybe by several steps. IMO, Portland will have to get worse before they get better because they need to dismantle significant parts of the roster....and there is not a magic-bullet-one-step move available
 
Here are the expirings that fall in the Turner/Harkless/Leonard range.

Enes Kanter
Wesley Matthews
DeMarr Carroll
Eric Bledsoe
Tobias Harris
Ricky Rubio
Robin Lopez
Taj Gibson
Kenneth Faried
Nikola Vucevic
Wilson Chandler
Marcin Gortat


Obviously not every team would be open to the scenario of adding $18-20M to their books next year in exchange for a first. I think Chicago might. Would Lopez help more than Parker? How about Carroll? I know Kanter would, but the Knicks are going to be players in free agency and probably wouldn’t be open to it.
 
wizenheimer said:
Dame - 30M/year
CJ - 28M/year
Porter - 27M/year

Blazers would be paying 85M/year for 3 players and only 1 of them earns the salary they get

Portland is in the mess they are because Olshey massively overpaid for production well below all-star level, and that definitely includes CJ. Your trade doubles-down on that loopy policy...sorry

Portland is already face-down in a cul-de-sac. Scooting deeper into that dead end just makes the situation worse

Portland can't get where they need to get without stepping back from their predicament , maybe by several steps. IMO, Portland will have to get worse before they get better because they need to dismantle significant parts of the roster....and there is not a magic-bullet-one-step move available
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Good idea: adding more life boats to the Titanic.
Bad idea: buying a life boat and paying for an aircraft carrier.

Better idea: bringing in a coach and GM who don't steer toward icebergs.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Ive looked all over and cant seem to find it.
I know this was discussed before, but has there ever been a case of a player restructuring an active contract in the middle of it, to lessen the players pay in order to help the team payroll and provide opportunity to bring in more talent?

I know FA’s have been known to sign cheap on contenders but what about in the middle of a contract?

Didnt KD say last year he would be willing to restructure to keep thier band together?


Dame’s brand is big and he has a 100mill shoe contract.
If he really loves it here aNd really wants to win, the best thing he could do is not wait for his contract to come up.
The best thing he could do is go to NO and say “look. Pay me 20 mill for 5 seasons and ill shred the old and sign the new. “
I mean, not counting what he has made already or what he will sign for in another five years , is not $220 mill enough???
Just sayin...
Same goes for CJ... $15 mill a year?

That alone would allow us money to bring in a superstar (providing they would sign)

Im just saying, with all the talk aBout wanting to win here, the best way to show it would be to help the payroll situation to free up options for management.
Max deals are too easily handed out. Very few teams should have a max deal because very few teams have a top ten player.
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Ahem...
 
With a couple rookie guards waiting the wings and Sauce & Curry on the team with short deals, wouldn't it seem plausible that a trade of any kind (CJ) would include at least 1 of the guards I mentioned?
Curry with him gone next year (more than likely) sure, can help in the now, but imo, probably not much more than giving Anfernee or GT minutes instead. Something has to be brewing on the trade front one way or the another.
 
I think this quote by Olshey from the offseason is relevant right now.

”I think probably one of the things we were a little too conservative with this offseason and at the trade deadline was we were probably far too protective of our draft pick and our trade exceptions and the tools we had to continue to build the roster long-term,” Olshey said. “And maybe lost sight of the fact that the first round was going to be more competitive than we expected.”

If he is to be believed, lol, then Portlands pick is definitely in play. Whether it’s to dump a contract remains to be seen, but I personally think they would. As long as it’s heavily protected (top 20) I wouldn’t lose sleep over it, even if I’m against it. I like the financial breathing room it would provide.

Finally, say we traded Moe, Leonard, and a first for Jabari. We would also open up a roster spot for a buyout guy. Woj mentioned a couple weeks ago that there will be more activity on the buyout market this year than in years past. Maybe we pick up a Wes Matthews for the playoffs.
 
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Scalma said:
Oubre vs Jaylen in year three

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You cherry pick stats worse than anyone on this forum. Whether it be career stats to compare a guy who's improved throughout his whole career to another guy who hasn't, or seasonal stats to compare one guys fluke off-year that has a 33% sample size to another guys best full season. Try to be consistent.
 
Browns 2nd season was expected progression from his 1st year, and is much more indicative of who he is as a player than the much smaller sample size of this season, when hes been slumping.

But someone trying to make Brown look bad will either simply reference his current, slumping, small-sample sized season, or will reference career numbers. That's scuffed.
 
BonesJones said:
You cherry pick stats worse than anyone on this forum. Whether it be career stats to compare a guy who's improved throughout his whole career to another guy who hasn't, or seasonal stats to compare one guys fluke off-year that has a 33% sample size to another guys best full season. Try to be consistent.
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How did I cherry pick stats, when I listed everything? Objectively speaking, Oubres trajectory is that of a guy making improvements every year. Jaylens isn’t.

Try to be consistent? That’s interesting coming from someone that makes all the excuses as to why Otto Porter is struggling, putting the blame on everything but the player, and then turns around and shits on Oubre, and specifically his defense, as if those numbers aren’t largely team based.

The reality here probably falls in the middle. Oubre isn’t as bad as you think, nor is Brown as good.
 
BonesJones said:
Browns 2nd season was expected progression from his 1st year, and is much more indicative of who he is as a player than the much smaller sample size of this season, when hes been slumping.

But someone trying to make Brown look bad will either simply reference his current, slumping, small-sample sized season, or will reference career numbers. That's scuffed.
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The numbers just allow me to be objective. Because subjectively, I see a relatively low IQ player whose ceiling is role player. Even his best season so far suggests role player/fringe starter. Nothing wrong with being a role player, but give me Collins, someone I believe can anchor a team defensively, over him any day of the week.

Every 22 year old in the NBA has potential. They’re all talented. But if someone is given consistent minutes for two years, youd expect a jump in the third. Players and coaches allude to the consensus that a players third year is when his future in the league is determined.
 
Scalma said:
How did I cherry pick stats, when I listed everything? Objectively speaking, Oubres trajectory is that of a guy making improvements every year. Jaylens isn’t.

Try to be consistent? That’s interesting coming from someone that makes all the excuses as to why Otto Porter is struggling, putting the blame on everything but the player, and then turns around and shits on Oubre, and specifically his defense, as if those numbers aren’t largely team based.

Oubre isn’t as bad as you think, nor is Brown as good.
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So because Jaylen has struggled in a 24 game sample size after improving in his 2nd season compared to his first, he no longer has a positive trajectory? Or somehow, this sample size is the rule?

This season Oubre's has regressed in 3P%, FT%, Assists, Rebounds, AST:TOV Ratio, and in nearly every advanced stat. That covers almost his entire statistical profile. So I dint see how his stats show constant improvement.

Oubre has NEVER been good. You're talking about a guy who hasn't had a BPM better than -1.2 to a guy in Porter who had a BPM of at least 3.6 in each of his last two years. Since I last talked about Porter, hes also risen his TS% back up to 58%, so I was right in predicting him to bounce back and break out of his slump. Oubre has a TS% of 54.5%, and it's by far a career high! Also, we can compare team-based defensive stats between Oubre and Porter because they were in the same thing. Porter's numbers greatly outshone Oubre's. So you tried to use an example against me that actually shows I was 100% right.

Also, that's not things falling in the middle in regards to this debate. That's your whole point. Browns sophomore season at 21 is Oubre's ceiling. Brown has a lot more untapped potential than Oubre.
 
As long we staty in the playoffs I see Olshey stand pat with this team. If there a move it be something small like vonleh type of trade to reduce salary at trade deadline.
 
Scalma said:
The numbers just allow me to be objective. Because subjectively, I see a relatively low IQ player whose ceiling is role player. Even his best season so far suggests role player/fringe starter. Nothing wrong with being a role player, but give me Collins, someone I believe can anchor a team defensively, over him any day of the week.

Every 22 year old in the NBA has potential. They’re all talented. But if someone is given consistent minutes for two years, youd expect a jump in the third. Players and coaches allude to the consensus that a players third year is when his future in the league is determined.
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Browns best season, he was a solid starter on a playoff team. And he was 21, so suggesting that is his ceiling is silly.

You may like Collins more, but I guarantee you lost NBA GMs value Brown more. This article started talking about packages for AD. SAC's 1st + Brown > Our 1st + Collins.
 
BonesJones said:
Browns best season, he was a solid starter on a playoff team. And he was 21, so suggesting that is his ceiling is silly.

You may like Collins more, but I guarantee you lost NBA GMs value Brown more. This article started talking about packages for AD. SAC's 1st + Brown > Our 1st + Collins.
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You’re the same guy that at one point didn’t think a protected first was enough for Oubre, so I’m not surprised that you’d be overrating another wing with physical tools and limited production. Wings are valued because there are so few impact ones, not because teams go out of their way to acquire them.

And he was only “solid” because of his age. Compared to the rest of the league, he was still a below average starter. His PER, among shooting guards with at least 20mpg, was good for 26th.
 
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Scalma said:
I think this quote by Olshey from the offseason is relevant right now.

”I think probably one of the things we were a little too conservative with this offseason and at the trade deadline was we were probably far too protective of our draft pick and our trade exceptions and the tools we had to continue to build the roster long-term,” Olshey said. “And maybe lost sight of the fact that the first round was going to be more competitive than we expected.”

If he is to be believed, lol, then Portlands pick is definitely in play. Whether it’s to dump a contract remains to be seen, but I personally think they would. As long as it’s heavily protected (top 20) I wouldn’t lose sleep over it, even if I’m against it. I like the financial breathing room it would provide.

Finally, say we traded Moe, Leonard, and a first for Jabari. We would also open up a roster spot for a buyout guy. Woj mentioned a couple weeks ago that there will be more activity on the buyout market this year than in years past. Maybe we pick up a Wes Matthews for the playoffs.
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Another thing opening up a roster spot does is allows him to use the Vonleh trade exception without having to cut someone too.
 
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