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look at PHX. Something has to give. They have Warren/Bridges/Oubre/Jackson all at SF, and no real PGs.
 
GDiama said:
Harrell is very very good as a bench big, very good. And Harris I dare say is better than CJ. SweetLou is very good as well. This trade is too good to be true and I don't think just a 1st would the trick. They don't really have a reason to do this as they have the cap space to sign a max FA anyway so they want their team to keep the good pieces. And Harrell,SweetLou have extremely valuable contracts for what they are.

The more I think about it the less sense it makes, they won't give up FA just for CJ. Harris can be maxed after they sign their FAs, CJ eats a lot of cap.
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setting contracts aside for a moment:

PER:

Montrezl Harrell 24.6
Tobias Harris 19.0
CJ McCollum 17.5

TS%:

Montrezl Harrell .644
Tobias Harris .610
CJ McCollum .559

FT Rate:

Montrezl Harrell .650
Tobias Harris .229
CJ McCollum .166

winshare/48:

Montrezl Harrell .215
Tobias Harris .129
CJ McCollum .106

Box plus/minus:

Montrezl Harrell 5.1
Tobias Harris 1.0
CJ McCollum -0.1

value over replacement:

Montrezl Harrell 1.3
Tobias Harris 0.8
CJ McCollum 0.5

Real plus/minus:

Tobias Harris 1.28
Montrezl Harrell 1.14
CJ McCollum 0.03

it would be nice if CJ didn't finish last in all those categories. But after watching those players, last night and before, that all matches the eyeball test. I think Harris is better than CJ, and Harrel may be better, or at least offers more upside...he certainly hustles more

then you have Meyers and Portland's 1st. Meyers has negative value which goes to degrade the value of the pick. At best, that combo might have neutral value

that trade is just too lop-sided in value advantage to Portland, even with the 'uncertainty' of the Clipper contracts
 
The depressing reality is Golden State is still awesome. Anthony Davis will find his way to the Lakers, being with Lebron and same agent blah blah. It’s all being orchestrated already. Lebron said he’s willing to suck for a year and then add AD or Kawhi. Portland not only has a team than can’t compete with either of them, but has minimal assets to deal. They won’t blow it up - give up on this window because they have no chance of passing by GS or LA - but they probably should. Load up on young dudes - 21, 22 year olds and picks. Won’t happen.
 
Pridan said:
Take a flier on Josh Jackson. There's still talent there, just have to help it/wait for it to click.
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He’s the type of player we should be looking at considering the “assets” we have to offer. He’s not the new front offices guy anyway, I’m sure they’d like to dump his contract.
 
Scalma said:
He’s the type of player we should be looking at considering the “assets” we have to offer. He’s not the new front offices guy anyway, I’m sure they’d like to dump his contract.
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We'd have to trade Collins or C.J. to get him. Maybe two future 1sts would work but then we wouldnt be able to attach those to Collins or C.J. in the future if a good opportunity arises.
 
calvin natt said:
The depressing reality is Golden State is still awesome. Anthony Davis will find his way to the Lakers, being with Lebron and same agent blah blah. It’s all being orchestrated already. Lebron said he’s willing to suck for a year and then add AD or Kawhi. Portland not only has a team than can’t compete with either of them, but has minimal assets to deal. They won’t blow it up - give up on this window because they have no chance of passing by GS or LA - but they probably should. Load up on young dudes - 21, 22 year olds and picks. Won’t happen.
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If New Orleans was smart theyd offer him for Simmons or to Boston for pieces. Trade him to an Eastern Conference team who could pay him the supermax. It'd be hard to say no to a great situation and the supermax.
 
BonesJones said:
If New Orleans was smart theyd offer him for Simmons or to Boston for pieces. Trade him to an Eastern Conference team who could pay him the supermax. It'd be hard to say no to a great situation and the supermax.
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No team outside of New Orleans could offer him the supermax. A player has to be traded on their rookie contract to be eligible.
 
BonesJones said:
We'd have to trade Collins or C.J. to get him. Maybe two future 1sts would work but then we wouldnt be able to attach those to Collins or C.J. in the future if a good opportunity arises.
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Wait, who are you talking about? Surely not Josh Jackson, because Josh Jackson is on his way to being a free agent after next season.
 
RR7 said:
No team outside of New Orleans could offer him the supermax. A player has to be traded on their rookie contract to be eligible.
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On top of that, he can't legally be traded to Boston, because of the Rose Rule, and the rule about no team trading for two of the same exception guys on their roster. And Kyrie already is. So they'd have to wait until the offseason to trade for him.
 
Chris Craig said:
CJ MCCollum, Meyers Leonard, Caleb Swanigan, 2019 1st

For

Harris, Harrell, and Marjanovic/Williams
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I would do this in a second. Occasional sightings of Boban lumbering through down town scaring anyone who saw him makes it worth on its own!
 
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Fez Von Savage said:
Supposedly ownership has approved major moves if the team finds them, but I haven't heard anything with the Blazers in a while. At least not anything I'd buy into. https://t.co/mCU2qAY1hp
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So far everything reported says business as usual. Everything else is just speculation. I’ll just assume Olshey has the ok. The issue is it’s olshey.
 
So I’ll play the hypothetical trade game, if we realisticly can’t win a championship until the Warriors dismantle why not get a little younger and spend a few season geling so our guys are mostly all in their prime the next time the window opens.

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I believe a pick would have to be included also. We aren’t gonna do anything in free agency anyway next season and Anderson expires with ET, Hark, and Nards. Supposedly Ayton and Booker haven’t been seeing eye to eye and James Jones stated they are concentrating on NBA players, maybe a more mature(but not old) CJ could help that franchise on the floor and in the locker room.

It’s a HYPOTHETICAL trade if we were to plan more for the future than present, our future core 2-5 positions would all currently be between 21-24 years old.

Dame
Booker 22
Bridges 22
Collins 21
Nurk 24
 
I just realized we'll run into the same issues as BOS in trading for AD (if we're trading everyone but Dame). Dame is also a designated player extension like Kyrie, and we can only have one of them on the team. We won't even have the loophole BOS will this summer when Kyrie's contract expires. Need to put this pipedream of putting Dame and AD on the same team to bed.

According to wiki, these are the players who have such contracts still active:
Embiid, Davis, Wall, Irving, Dame.
 
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LayneStaley said:
So I’ll play the hypothetical trade game, if we realisticly can’t win a championship until the Warriors dismantle why not get a little younger and spend a few season geling so our guys are mostly all in their prime the next time the window opens.

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I believe a pick would have to be included also. We aren’t gonna do anything in free agency anyway next season and Anderson expires with ET, Hark, and Nards. Supposedly Ayton and Booker haven’t been seeing eye to eye and James Jones stated they are concentrating on NBA players, maybe a more mature(but not old) CJ could help that franchise on the floor and in the locker room.

It’s a HYPOTHETICAL trade if we were to plan more for the future than present, our future core 2-5 positions would all currently be between 21-24 years old.

Dame
Booker 22
Bridges 22
Collins 21
Nurk 24
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You really think the Blazers want to pay around 148 mil in team salary next year? and that would be without Aminu, Curry, Stauskas and Baldwin
 
LayneStaley said:
So I’ll play the hypothetical trade game, if we realisticly can’t win a championship until the Warriors dismantle why not get a little younger and spend a few season geling so our guys are mostly all in their prime the next time the window opens.

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I believe a pick would have to be included also. We aren’t gonna do anything in free agency anyway next season and Anderson expires with ET, Hark, and Nards. Supposedly Ayton and Booker haven’t been seeing eye to eye and James Jones stated they are concentrating on NBA players, maybe a more mature(but not old) CJ could help that franchise on the floor and in the locker room.

It’s a HYPOTHETICAL trade if we were to plan more for the future than present, our future core 2-5 positions would all currently be between 21-24 years old.

Dame
Booker 22
Bridges 22
Collins 21
Nurk 24
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PHX would not do that. Booker isn't leaving for an older version of himself.
 
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Ross would interest me. So would Lin and Dedmons expirings.
 
Lin and Dedmon for Turner, Baldwin, and a protected first?
 
yuyuza1 said:
I just realized we'll run into the same issues as BOS in trading for AD (if we're trading everyone but Dame). Dame is also a designated player extension like Kyrie, and we can only have one of them on the team. We won't even have the loophole BOS will this summer when Kyrie's contract expires. Need to put this pipedream of putting Dame and AD on the same team to bed.

According to wiki, these are the players who have such contracts still active:
Embiid, Davis, Wall, Irving, Dame.
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that's not really an issue though because in order to trade for Rose-rule players, you need some Rose-rule assets and Portland has almost none (unless you consider Nurkic & Zach a couple of the ancillary assets in a larger trade package)

Blazers certainly have the large salaries, so they have that covered...:cool2:

calvin natt said:
PHX would not do that. Booker isn't leaving for an older version of himself.
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yeah, and that's if you were talking about last season. This season, Booker has expanded his game. He's playing more as a point-SG and is averaging 4 assists more a game than CJ; he's actually averaging more assists than Dame. Now, he's also averaging a lot of turnovers but that will happen when playing a new role on a bad team. Booker has even improved his defense significantly while CJ is still crappy at defense

so no, Phoenix wouldn't consider trading the 6'6 Booker, who turned 22 less than 2 months ago and has shown he's a willing and capable play-maker, for 27 year old, 6'3 CJ, who has become more and more of a ball-hog and chucker each season
 
yuyuza1 said:
I just realized we'll run into the same issues as BOS in trading for AD (if we're trading everyone but Dame). Dame is also a designated player extension like Kyrie, and we can only have one of them on the team. We won't even have the loophole BOS will this summer when Kyrie's contract expires. Need to put this pipedream of putting Dame and AD on the same team to bed.

According to wiki, these are the players who have such contracts still active:
Embiid, Davis, Wall, Irving, Dame.
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I think they may have modified this in the last CBA:

"There is a limit to the number of designated players a team can have on its roster at a time. A team can have up to two designated rookies (who received a longer rookie scale extension) and up to two designated veterans (who received higher than the 30% maximum salary) at any time. However, only one designated rookie and one designated veteran may have been acquired from another team in a trade."

To me that says we can have Dame and trade for a 2nd one (Davis) if a deal presented itself, doesn't it?
 
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wizenheimer said:
that's not really an issue though because in order to trade for Rose-rule players, you need some Rose-rule assets and Portland has almost none (unless you consider Nurkic & Zach a couple of the ancillary assets in a larger trade package)

Blazers certainly have the large salaries, so they have that covered...:cool2:



yeah, and that's if you were talking about last season. This season, Booker has expanded his game. He's playing more as a point-SG and is averaging 4 assists more a game than CJ; he's actually averaging more assists than Dame. Now, he's also averaging a lot of turnovers but that will happen when playing a new role on a bad team. Booker has even improved his defense significantly while CJ is still crappy at defense

so no, Phoenix wouldn't consider trading the 6'6 Booker, who turned 22 less than 2 months ago and has shown he's a willing and capable play-maker, for 27 year old, 6'3 CJ, who has become more and more of a ball-hog and chucker each season
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Booker has missed a significant amount of games the past 2 years.I think so far he has missed 1/3 of the season last year and so far this year. Booker is also playing PG, while CJ is playing strictly shooting guard this year. Booker has always been high in turnovers as he has averaged 3.6 turnovers per game over the last 3 years. Now with that said, I think Booker is an excellent player with a lot of talent, but I don't see either team interested in doing a deal like that.
 
Booker is exactly who the Suns need. A very young, rebuilding team, with a very good and young big man Ayton, Mikal Bridges, I mean...Booker is virtually untouchable. They would be insane to consider almost any deal for anyone outside a superstar.
 
hoopsjock said:
I think they may have modified this in the last CBA:

"There is a limit to the number of designated players a team can have on its roster at a time. A team can have up to two designated rookies (who received a longer rookie scale extension) and up to two designated veterans (who received higher than the 30% maximum salary) at any time.2 However, only one designated rookie and one designated veteran may have been acquired from another team in a trade."

To me that says we can have Dame and trade for a 2nd one (Davis) if a deal presented itself, doesn't it?
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So how does that limit Boston from trading for him in the future?
 
BonesJones said:
So how does that limit Boston from trading for him in the future?
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Well Boston traded for Kyrie so they can't trade for a 2nd one. However I think after this season when Kyrie's deal is up he'd be considered their free agent and not a traded for one if that makes sense.

I think it's possible Kyrie won't qualify for the bigger contract either.
 
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