Trade Ideas Thread

[perkinsfor3]

You're talking about Giannis, I'm talking about Bledsoe. Third team involved could be us if OKC doesn't want to take on long term money. Not sure how to make that work.

Giannis is never happening.

 

[Labinot41]

This offseason could be hella interesting

 

[Natebishop3]

You're talking about Giannis, I'm talking about Bledsoe. Third team involved could be us if OKC doesn't want to take on long term money. Not sure how to make that work.

Giannis is never happening.

It all depends on him. If he wants out, they would be stupid not to trade him. They need to be careful not to get LaMarcus'd.

 

[B-Roy]

Even if they're incentivized with unloading one of the worst current contracts in the league in Harris/Horford?

Not sure those contracts are much worse than CJ's. I have CJ as better, but not by much.

 

[GDiama]

Btw. Bucks are gonna trade Bledsoe and want CP. Thunder would probably want to deal CP, but shouldnt be interested in Bledsoe. Bledsoe could be a good fit for us. Defender with good size and wingspan. Contract isnt too crazy. Could we get 'in' and get Bledsoe?

Well in the below trade we can offer Ariza for Bledsoe i believe. OKC clears even more salary and Ariza is tradeable for contenders.

 

[lawai'a]

Btw. Bucks are gonna trade Bledsoe and want CP. Thunder would probably want to deal CP, but shouldnt be interested in Bledsoe. Bledsoe could be a good fit for us. Defender with good size and wingspan. Contract isnt too crazy. Could we get 'in' and get Bledsoe?

o'lshey drafted bledsoe for clippers.

 

[tester551]

Btw. Bucks are gonna trade Bledsoe and want CP. Thunder would probably want to deal CP, but shouldnt be interested in Bledsoe. Bledsoe could be a good fit for us. Defender with good size and wingspan. Contract isnt too crazy. Could we get 'in' and get Bledsoe?

Not a bad idea....

How about something like this:


Bucks:
Bledsoe + Ilysasova + Hill + Pick #24 => CP3

Bucks trade the least they can to match salaries to get CP3. I'm iffy on whether the #24 pick needs to be included, as they are taking on a lot of salary for the '21-'22 season.

Knicks:
Randle + Knox + Pick #8 => CJ

Knicks get their 'franchise' player in CJ to help accelerate their rebuild.

Thunder:
CP3 => Randle + Hill + Pick #24

Thunder do this for salary purposes. For the '21-'22 season, Randle's contract is guaranteed for $4M while Hill's is only $1.3M. They save almost $13M next season and almost $40M the following to help in their rebuild.

Portland:
CJ => Bledsoe + Ilysasova + Knox + Pick #8

Bledsoe replaces CJ at half of the cost. Offensive production may go down slightly, but defensively significantly improved. Ilvsasova is just a salary filler who can help open up the floor at PF. Portland really does this trade for the #8 and Knox. I still think Knox has a lot of untapped potential as a 3 & D sniper that was hidden in NY due to the mess that organization is. I also really like the idea of getting into that mid-lottery area. I love the idea of Haliburton or Vassell (or maybe Okongwu) on the Blazers.

After the trade and drafting Haliburton (#8) and Jalen Smith/Tyler Bey (#16) - Portland would have 2 roster spots open. After signing Gabriel (minimum) and Cousins (~2yr @ $4M/yr using part of the MLE) to contracts, the roster would look like this:

Dame, (Bledsoe), Haliburton, Simons
Bledsoe, Trent, Hood
Ariza, Knox, Little
Collins, Ilvsasova, Gabriel, Smith
Nurk, Cousins, (Collins)

Still a little weak at the SF and PF positions, but much improved defensively and with a lot of positional, financial, and trade flexibility moving forward. We could also open up a max FA roster spot in '21.

 

[tester551]

Not sure those contracts are much worse than CJ's. I have CJ as better, but not by much.

CJ a slightly better player averaging $32.3M/yr (over the next 4)

compared to
Harris averaging $37.2M/yr (over the next 4)

Neither one is a good contract, but the Harris contract is 15% more for a slightly worse player.

 

[B-Roy]

CJ a slightly better player averaging $32.3M/yr (over the next 4)

compared to
Harris averaging $37.2M/yr (over the next 4)

Neither one is a good contract, but the Harris contract is 15% more for a slightly worse player.

I'd argue they're similar players. You need the right team to be able to compensate for CJ defensively, whereas Harris can probably fit on any team defensively. You're sacrificing offense for defense. The contract amounts is why I have CJ as better, but not by much.

 

[wizenheimer]

CJ a slightly better player averaging $32.3M/yr (over the next 4)

compared to
Harris averaging $37.2M/yr (over the next 4)

Neither one is a good contract, but the Harris contract is 15% more for a slightly worse player.

I think Harris is actually slightly better and plays a more valuable position. But it's really debatable and a trade like that would be lateral for Portland and throttle flexibility even worse than their already bad situation

since I don't think you can trade CJ for a better player but rather for a better fit...maybe....I think an important ingredient of a CJ trade is some cap relief improving flexibility. Trading CJ for Tobias Harris or Khris Middleton may be lateral or a little bit of an upgrade but it doesn't alter the team's trajectory or put them on a different path to contending. Just more of the same cul-de-sac one driveway down

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Pinwheel1]

We do need a legitimate backup PG behind Dame, but Bledsoe's contract is a little high for being that. He can't shoot from deep so he wouldn't finish many games for us. We need to go cheap (either young or old) for that spot IMO.

 

[Natebishop3]

I really think Simmons is a better option. Put a tall wing next to Dame who can handle the ball. Biggest issue is he can't shoot.

 

[RR7]

I really think Simmons is a better option. Put a tall wing next to Dame who can handle the ball. Biggest issue is he can't shoot.

I wish, I just don't see them moving Simmons this offseason, barring a huge return. It makes way more sense for them as a team to shift any and all of the pieces around him and Embiid before moving on from either of them. First determine how to make it work with them 2, and if that fails, move one.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Natebishop3]

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If I'm OKC there's no way I'm taking Wall. That dude is horribly injury prone and massively overpaid.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I don't see why people are suggesting OKC would trade Paul for anything less than a clear upgrade. It feels to me like they love him there and gave him most of the credit for their surprising performance this season.

 

[RR7]

I don't see why people are suggesting OKC would trade Paul for anything less than a clear upgrade. It feels to me like they love him there and gave him most of the credit for their surprising performance this season.

I think it's just to gain more assets. They got a ton moving george and westbrook,might as well keep that going. I dont think he was ever long for their team, but they wanted to do, I imagine, exactly what they did, rehabilitate his value.
Obviously, a move for wall makes no sense. But I think they move him for minor assets this offseazon.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I think it's just to gain more assets. They got a ton moving george and westbrook,might as well keep that going. I dont think he was ever long for their team, but they wanted to do, I imagine, exactly what they did, rehabilitate his value.
Obviously, a move for wall makes no sense. But I think they move him for minor assets this offseazon.

 

[wizenheimer]

I think it's just to gain more assets. They got a ton moving george and westbrook,might as well keep that going. I dont think he was ever long for their team, but they wanted to do, I imagine, exactly what they did, rehabilitate his value.
Obviously, a move for wall makes no sense. But I think they move him for minor assets this offseazon.

That certainly fits Presti's M.O. over the last 18 months years since PG13 asked for a trade:





I guess the question is: how many 1st round draft picks is enough? But I guess they have great options for moving up in drafts

 

[BlayZa]

memphis is loaded and overloaded at pf, can we get brandon clarke somehow? i like the kid

 

[damianlillard]

I really like this trade. Ariza, Simons, little, 2020 1st round pick, and 2021 1st round pick for Aaron Gordon. I really like Gordon fit on our team. He’s a big forward who can guard the likes of LeBron, Kawhi, Tatum, and others. He would be an athletic power forward who can stretch the floor on offense. His playmaking skills is pretty good. He would essentially be an athletic version of Draymond green on this team. The best part is that we can potentially get him without breaking up our core. I am very much on the trade CJ bandwagon but if Neil intends to keep the core then getting Gordon should be a priority. We would still have our MLE to get another wing and a back up guard
Dame/Vet
CJ/Trent
Hood/Trent/Vet
Gordon/Melo
Nurkic/Collins

 

[blazerkor]

I really like this trade. Ariza, Simons, little, 2020 1st round pick, and 2021 1st round pick for Aaron Gordon. I really like Gordon fit on our team. He’s a big forward who can guard the likes of LeBron, Kawhi, Tatum, and others. He would be an athletic power forward who can stretch the floor on offense. His playmaking skills is pretty good. He would essentially be an athletic version of Draymond green on this team. The best part is that we can potentially get him without breaking up our core. I am very much on the trade CJ bandwagon but if Neil intends to keep the core then getting Gordon should be a priority. We would still have our MLE to get another wing and a back up guard
Dame/Vet
CJ/Trent
Hood/Trent/Vet
Gordon/Melo
Nurkic/Collins

How the hell do we do all of that and get Melo? I asked this of someone yesterday. Carmelo Anthony said he would like to stay in Portland but at no point has he even implied that he would like to stay here for the vet min. The guy proved to everyone in the league this season with us that he is worth at least half of the MLE... don't get me wrong I don't know if he'd be worth that to us but I do think he would be worth that to other teams. So I just don't get why people keep putting him on the team like he's under contract and theoretically using the full MLE on a new piece or pieces. If we keep Melo the most we can expect is to pick up someone else at around 4.5 million of the MLE. Also, I think Melo would start over Hoodie at least at the beginning of the season but hopefully Hood surprises me and comes back like nothing even happened to him but unfortunately I'm imagining the reality will be that Hood will be even less mobile than Melo.

I do think it would be cool if we added Gordon to Dame and Nurk though and I would still hold out hope that Neil comes to his senses and gets us a better fit than CJ to play around those guys. What if we traded CJ and a couple future firsts (lets say 2023 and 2025) after the Gordon trade, for Middleton. Then our rotation could be Dame, Gary, Middleton, Gordon, Nurk, Michael Carter Williams (1/2 MLE), Zach, Melo (1/2 MLE), Hood and lets say Wenyen if he will re-sign for 120% of his last year's salary (non-bird exception) which would give him 1.7 mil. That team could contend. I think MCW could get all of the back up minutes at the guard spots since he can guard ones and twos. I think Zach would get all of the minutes behind Nurk and some of the minutes behind Gordon. Melo would get the rest of the minutes behind Gordon and most of the minutes behind Middleton. Hoodie and Wenyen would get spot minutes unless Hoodie comes back big time. We would fill the rest of the roster with min level players.

 

[Natebishop3]

How the hell do we do all of that and get Melo? I asked this of someone yesterday. Carmelo Anthony said he would like to stay in Portland but at no point has he even implied that he would like to stay here for the vet min. The guy proved to everyone in the league this season with us that he is worth at least half of the MLE... don't get me wrong I don't know if he'd be worth that to us but I do think he would be worth that to other teams. So I just don't get why people keep putting him on the team like he's under contract and theoretically using the full MLE on a new piece or pieces. If we keep Melo the most we can expect is to pick up someone else at around 4.5 million of the MLE. Also, I think Melo would start over Hoodie at least at the beginning of the season but hopefully Hood surprises me and comes back like nothing even happened to him but unfortunately I'm imagining the reality will be that Hood will be even less mobile than Melo.

I do think it would be cool if we added Gordon to Dame and Nurk though and I would still hold out hope that Neil comes to his senses and gets us a better fit than CJ to play around those guys. What if we traded CJ and a couple future firsts (lets say 2023 and 2025) after the Gordon trade, for Middleton. Then our rotation could be Dame, Gary, Middleton, Gordon, Nurk, Michael Carter Williams (1/2 MLE), Zach, Melo (1/2 MLE), Hood and lets say Wenyen if he will re-sign for 120% of his last year's salary (non-bird exception) which would give him 1.7 mil. That team could contend. I think MCW could get all of the back up minutes at the guard spots since he can guard ones and twos. I think Zach would get all of the minutes behind Nurk and some of the minutes behind Gordon. Melo would get the rest of the minutes behind Gordon and most of the minutes behind Middleton. Hoodie and Wenyen would get spot minutes unless Hoodie comes back big time. We would fill the rest of the roster with min level players.

He doesn't need the money. He went to two "better" situations and was basically punted. We play to his strengths. He got to start here (probably not the case next season though.)

 

[GDiama]

How the hell do we do all of that and get Melo? I asked this of someone yesterday. Carmelo Anthony said he would like to stay in Portland but at no point has he even implied that he would like to stay here for the vet min. The guy proved to everyone in the league this season with us that he is worth at least half of the MLE... don't get me wrong I don't know if he'd be worth that to us but I do think he would be worth that to other teams. So I just don't get why people keep putting him on the team like he's under contract and theoretically using the full MLE on a new piece or pieces. If we keep Melo the most we can expect is to pick up someone else at around 4.5 million of the MLE. Also, I think Melo would start over Hoodie at least at the beginning of the season but hopefully Hood surprises me and comes back like nothing even happened to him but unfortunately I'm imagining the reality will be that Hood will be even less mobile than Melo.

I do think it would be cool if we added Gordon to Dame and Nurk though and I would still hold out hope that Neil comes to his senses and gets us a better fit than CJ to play around those guys. What if we traded CJ and a couple future firsts (lets say 2023 and 2025) after the Gordon trade, for Middleton. Then our rotation could be Dame, Gary, Middleton, Gordon, Nurk, Michael Carter Williams (1/2 MLE), Zach, Melo (1/2 MLE), Hood and lets say Wenyen if he will re-sign for 120% of his last year's salary (non-bird exception) which would give him 1.7 mil. That team could contend. I think MCW could get all of the back up minutes at the guard spots since he can guard ones and twos. I think Zach would get all of the minutes behind Nurk and some of the minutes behind Gordon. Melo would get the rest of the minutes behind Gordon and most of the minutes behind Middleton. Hoodie and Wenyen would get spot minutes unless Hoodie comes back big time. We would fill the rest of the roster with min level players.

At this point of his career it's not about the money. He won't reject Portland because someone else gave him 3M more.

As for the trades i think those players can be had for much less. Middleton is not worth CJ+2 1st rounders. And Gordon not worth two 1st rounders+Little+Simons as well. I think 1 pick+Little is enough.

 

[Buffalo Custard]

I wish I could be a fly on the wall to listen in on what other GMs really think about CJ's trade value. I have a feeling Blazer fans would be disappointed.

 

[Natebishop3]

I wish I could be a fly on the wall to listen in on what other GMs really think about CJ's trade value. I have a feeling Blazer fans would be disappointed.

I would imagine that many of them view him in the same light as a Jamal Crawford, who still thinks he's a superstar caliber player.

 

[damianlillard]

At this point of his career it's not about the money. He won't reject Portland because someone else gave him 3M more.

As for the trades i think those players can be had for much less. Middleton is not worth CJ+2 1st rounders. And Gordon not worth two 1st rounders+Little+Simons as well. I think 1 pick+Little is enough.

Yeah at this point of his career I think he’s more interested in having a role on a contender than the money. If he’s starting next year then I am gonna be pissed. If he come off the bench, where he would thrive as a scorer, then I would be happy.
Yeah Gordon supposed trade value is all over the place. I guess the offer would have to make sense to the magic

 

[blazerkor]

At this point of his career it's not about the money. He won't reject Portland because someone else gave him 3M more.

As for the trades i think those players can be had for much less. Middleton is not worth CJ+2 1st rounders. And Gordon not worth two 1st rounders+Little+Simons as well. I think 1 pick+Little is enough.

So subtract a pick from each deal. Do you like that roster?

 

[blazerkor]

He doesn't need the money. He went to two "better" situations and was basically punted. We play to his strengths. He got to start here (probably not the case next season though.)

OK, I guess after making a $250 million in his career I guess I can see that. I just haven't heard that out of him. I'll just have to wait and see but you make an excellent point.