Trade Ideas Thread (3 Viewers)

[B-Roy]

Dafuq why

Maybe cause he actually enjoys basketball?

Ariza was actually pretty productive for someone who is 34. Basically the same player he's been since age 29:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/arizatr01.html

Most NBA players cannot stay productive in the mid-thirties, especially role players, so there's definitely work that goes along with that.

 

[illmatic99]

Maybe cause he actually enjoys basketball?

Ariza was actually pretty productive for someone who is 34. Basically the same player he's been since age 29:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/arizatr01.html

Most NBA players cannot stay productive in the mid-thirties, especially role players, so there's definitely work that goes along with that.

I'm baffled about why in Istanbul. Not why he's working out.

 

[Natebishop3]

I'm baffled about why in Istanbul. Not why he's working out.

Maybe he's a fan of They Might Be Giants?

 

[lawai'a]

Even that's a massive overpay. Why in the world would we want a PF who shoots 43% from the field, 30% from 3, who's an average to below-average defender, and who would be even worse in a slow-paced offense?

he is still only 25 years old and during his 5 seasons in the nba, he has played for 5 different head coaches, with 2 of the seasons seeing the head coach fired during the season. not a stable environment for player development.the following chart is a comparison of his defensive stats to all defensive team players.

the next defensive stat is from the previos season, 2018-19 couldn't find this years.
One particular area Gordon improved in defensively this past season was guarding shooters when they flew around off-ball screens. Opponents combined to shoot 31 percent in these situations, nearly 12 percent lower than in 2017-18, when Gordon was guarding the shooter coming off a screen, which was the best mark in the NBA among players who defended at least 70 of these shot attempts.
seems better than advertised here defensively.
his offensive stats sited were down from his two previous campaigns, but here would be the 3 or more likely 4th option instead. two seasons before last his corner 3pt % were 37+40%. his usage rate is 21%. over a 2-1 assist ratio on 3.6 assists/game shows playmaking ability too. switch ability as he played extensively at SF in all but last year too. maybe the switch to full time PF negatively impacted his offense to account for the downturn.

 

[wizenheimer]

You and I both know that when players, not all but most of them, come here they improve their 3 point shooting. First example is Al Farouq Aminu, who before he came to Portland was essentially a 27% 3 point shooter, but during his time in Portland he became a 35% 3 point shooter. Second example Mo Harkless, he was a 30.9% 3 point shooter but over the course of his time in Portland became a 33% 3 point shooter, he even had a season where he shot 41.5%. Carmelo Anthony had his best 3 point shooting since 2013/14 season. You get the idea, Dame and cj are so good that they open up shots for others. Aaron Gordon last season shot nearly 35%, so I truly believe that he would improve as a shooter here. His form look better that Harkless and Aminu. And his defense at PF is better than anything we had this season. At the end an expiring, 16th (what rookies is gonna make an immediate impact anyway), and possibly another young player is a fair deal. And he got a great chance to become our answer at the 4!

ok....but you very well may be seeing correlations that don't exist

* Harkless was 22 entering his 4th season when he joined Portland. In his previous 3 season he attempted about 300 three's. In 3 seasons in Portland, he attempted over 500 three's, nearly doubling his volume over his first 3 seasons. That increase in percentage you noted could as easily been due to the natural progression of a young player while increasing a shot type

* Aminu was 25 entering his 6th season. But in his previous 5 seasons, he only attempted about 250 three's; then, in 4 years in Portland he attempted over 1300 three's. So, he went from averaging 50 attempts a year to 330. That could be the reason for improvement rather than the Blazer system or Dame/CJ

for Gordon, he wouldn't be young like Harkless, so there likely wouldn't be an upside shooting bump from that. And, he's been a volume three point shooter; he's shot over 1400 three's in his career and has averaged 300 attempts over the last 4 seasons. So he wouldn't have the increased volume factor working that very well may have been working for Aminu

Melo did shoot better than he has for several seasons, but I'd imagine if you backtracked thru the veteran additions like Steve Blake, Mo Williams, Arron Afflalo, Dorell Wright, Gerald Henderson, Nik Stauskas, Anthony Tolliver, Kent Bazemore you'd find a pretty mixed bag of correlations

don't misunderstand....I'm not saying that Gordon would not be a good addition. I'd be reluctant to see Portland pay a substantial price for him because he just doesn't impress me as the type of player that will alter the team's trajectory

 

[Labinot41]

I'm baffled about why in Istanbul. Not why he's working out.

If i had that much money i would travel around the world too. Istanbul is awesome and has great history and many attractions, for example the Bosporus bridge who seperates Europe from Asia or the Hagia Sophia Mosque, i'd love to visit the city because i love history

 

[damianlillard]

ok....but you very well may be seeing correlations that don't exist

* Harkless was 22 entering his 4th season when he joined Portland. In his previous 3 season he attempted about 300 three's. In 3 seasons in Portland, he attempted over 500 three's, nearly doubling his volume over his first 3 seasons. That increase in percentage you noted could as easily been due to the natural progression of a young player while increasing a shot type

* Aminu was 25 entering his 6th season. But in his previous 5 seasons, he only attempted about 250 three's; then, in 4 years in Portland he attempted over 1300 three's. So, he went from averaging 50 attempts a year to 330. That could be the reason for improvement rather than the Blazer system or Dame/CJ

for Gordon, he wouldn't be young like Harkless, so there likely wouldn't be an upside shooting bump from that. And, he's been a volume three point shooter; he's shot over 1400 three's in his career and has averaged 300 attempts over the last 4 seasons. So he wouldn't have the increased volume factor working that very well may have been working for Aminu

Melo did shoot better than he has for several seasons, but I'd imagine if you backtracked thru the veteran additions like Steve Blake, Mo Williams, Arron Afflalo, Dorell Wright, Gerald Henderson, Nik Stauskas, Anthony Tolliver, Kent Bazemore you'd find a pretty mixed bag of correlations

don't misunderstand....I'm not saying that Gordon would not be a good addition. I'd be reluctant to see Portland pay a substantial price for him because he just doesn't impress me as the type of player that will alter the team's trajectory

You made a very good point with the volume. I didn’t think about that part too much. Yeah he doesn’t necessarily change the trajectory of this team too much, at least not into a title contender status. But if he can find a consistent groove here then a package of him and CJ become very attractive to any team that has a superstar to trade

 

[Cugel]

Could he be doing it for an endorsement or consulting? I mean to tweet that means to them it,s a big deal

 

[BonesJones]

You and I both know that when players, not all but most of them, come here they improve their 3 point shooting. First example is Al Farouq Aminu, who before he came to Portland was essentially a 27% 3 point shooter, but during his time in Portland he became a 35% 3 point shooter. Second example Mo Harkless, he was a 30.9% 3 point shooter but over the course of his time in Portland became a 33% 3 point shooter, he even had a season where he shot 41.5%. Carmelo Anthony had his best 3 point shooting since 2013/14 season. You get the idea, Dame and cj are so good that they open up shots for others. Aaron Gordon last season shot nearly 35%, so I truly believe that he would improve as a shooter here. His form look better that Harkless and Aminu. And his defense at PF is better than anything we had this season. At the end an expiring, 16th (what rookies is gonna make an immediate impact anyway), and possibly another young player is a fair deal. And he got a great chance to become our answer at the 4!

Hezonja's shooting didnt improve. Turner's didnt. Bazemore's didn't. Mixed bag.

Harkless and Aminu were at that point in their careers where players make a jump. Harkless kept his shooting up after he left.

That's a myth. You dont trade for a bad 3pt shooter who cant defend and say "Well, he'll be a great shooter HERE". You know how many things I heard Hezonja was going to do well because he was HERE? How'd that turn out?

Saying he was a better defender at PF than anything we had this year isnt saying much at all.

Magic fans have been hoping he'd put it together for years. This is another classic case of "He'd do better here!"...

Even if he did improve, it's not worth giving up a 1st and a good 3 and D player for an average 3pt shooter and an average defender.

This fanbase horribly overrates Aaron Gordon. I have no idea why.

 

[BonesJones]

he is still only 25 years old and during his 5 seasons in the nba, he has played for 5 different head coaches, with 2 of the seasons seeing the head coach fired during the season. not a stable environment for player development.

Where have I heard this before? For some reason, the names "Nik" and "Rio" come to mind.

 

[Cheese22]

I'm surprised how quick this forum is to give up on Collins. Then saying Gordon is better than him defensively is ridiculous. He did just come back from shoulder surgery. He's young. He's gonna continue to improve.
If he's involved in a trade then there better be a good big coming back or the frontcourt depth immediately becomes their biggest need. I love CJ but feel like he needs to be part of a trade for a stud SF.

 

[damianlillard]

I'm surprised how quick this forum is to give up on Collins. Then saying Gordon is better than him defensively is ridiculous. He did just come back from shoulder surgery. He's young. He's gonna continue to improve.
If he's involved in a trade then there better be a good big coming back or the frontcourt depth immediately becomes their biggest need. I love CJ but feel like he needs to be part of a trade for a stud SF.

I personally have given up on Collins being a starter at the 4. Not on him as a player. He’s at his best playing close to the rim, not at the perimeter guarding the likes of Tatum, Pascal, and others. Offensively he’s an awkward fit next to Nurkic, the only way to make that work if he’s suddenly become a very good 3 point shooter. Can he knock down 3s, sure but he doesn’t take them often enough to be a threat. I like the idea of him backing up Nurkic way more than being a starter at the 4. Heck I like melo starting at the 4 more than Collins, and I don’t even like melo. We are forcing Collins to be somebody that he isn’t at the 4

 

[BonesJones]

I think we all have given up on Collins being a starter at the 4. Not on him as a player. He’s at his best playing close to the rim, not at the perimeter guarding the likes of Tatum, Pascal, and others. Offensively he’s an awkward fit next to Nurkic, the only way to make that work if he’s suddenly become a very good 3 point shooter. Can he knock down 3s, sure but he doesn’t take them often enough to be a threat. I like the idea of him backing up Nurkic way more than being a starter at the 4. Heck I like melo starting at the 4 more than Collins, and I don’t even like melo. We are forcing Collins to be somebody that he isn’t at the 4

No we haven't. Speak for yourself, not others.

 

[damianlillard]

No we haven't. Speak for yourself, not others.

Okay I will change it, sorry bro. Geez calm down

 

[BonesJones]

Okay I will change it, sorry bro. Geez calm down

You're more worked up than I am.

 

[riverman]

If we got Danny Ainge drunk enough to give us Brown for CJ (I know other pieces would need to be involved), that would be amazing.

That'd be tough because Danny Ainge doesn't drink...he's Mormon I believe. My last client before retirement played sports with his Dad and told me a lot of Danny Ainge stories...good old Eugene product

 

[GDiama]

If i had that much money i would travel around the world too. Istanbul is awesome and has great history and many attractions, for example the Bosporus bridge who seperates Europe from Asia or the Hagia Sophia Mosque, i'd love to visit the city because i love history

Is it already like this in travel guides? lol

 

[blazerkor]

If i had that much money i would travel around the world too. Istanbul is awesome and has great history and many attractions, for example the Bosporus bridge who seperates Europe from Asia or the Hagia Sophia Mosque, i'd love to visit the city because i love history

I'm pretty sure that the separation of Europe and Asia is a debunked myth.

 

[PCmor7]

Okay I will change it, sorry bro. Geez calm down

This is how I imagine Bones whenever he's on the internet.

 

[BigGameDamian]

I wonder if Houston would have any interest in Whiteside?

 

[damianlillard]

I wonder if Houston would have any interest in Whiteside?

That’s actually an interesting question. Theoretically they could use a big man like him but they love their small ball philosophy. I think they could be interested in Kevin love, so maybe a 3 team deal there. Of course Hassan would have to accept whatever deal he would get on the Cavs, but it’s likely a big contract with a starting job if they also trade Drummond

 

[GDiama]

That’s actually an interesting question. Theoretically they could use a big man like him but they love their small ball philosophy. I think they could be interested in Kevin love, so maybe a 3 team deal there. Of course Hassan would have to accept whatever deal he would get on the Cavs, but it’s likely a big contract with a starting job if they also trade Drummond

I don't think anybody wants Hassan with a big contract. Not worth it for a rebuilding team and he is not good for the playoffs for a contending team.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

This is relevant to this thread:

 

[Cugel]

Hassan is good but not 20 a year good. Who will the Bucks be willing to deal and what do they need to "deliver " a ring to giannis?

 

[BigGameDamian]

I don't think anybody wants Hassan with a big contract. Not worth it for a rebuilding team and he is not good for the playoffs for a contending team.

I could see the Rockets having some interest. Especially now that D'Antoni is gone.

 

[Almir]

Hello,

This is the list of the players with contracts to expire... What do you think who else can be the best option for Blazers but availalble also? Who will put us as a title contenders not named Giannis?

Atlanta:
Jeff Teague (UFA '20)
John Collins (RFA '21)

Boston:
Hayward (Player '20)
Tatum (RFA '21)

Brooklyn:
Joe Harris (UFA '20)
Dinwidie (Player '21)
Allen (RFA '21)

Charlote:
Biyombo (UFA '20)
Graham (RFA '21)
Zeller (UFA '21)

Chicago:
Dunn (RFA '21)
Markanen (RFA '21)

Cleveland:
Tristan Thompson (UFA '20)
Andre Drummond (Player '20)

Dallas:
Hardaway Jr. (Player '20)
Marjanović (UFA '21)

Denver:
Milsap (UFA '20)
Grant (Player '20)
Craig (RFA '20)
Barton (Player '21)

Detroit:
Langston Galloway (UFA '20)
Thon Maker (RFA '20)
Christian Wood (UFA '20)
Kennard (RFA 21)
Rose Derick (UFA '21)
Bruce Brown (RFA '21)
Blake Griffin (Player '21)

Golden State
No any important player

Houston:
Rivers (Player '20)
P.J. Tucker (UFA '21)
Ben McLemore (UFA '21)

Indiana:
Justin Holiday (UFA '20)
Victor Oladipo (UFA '21)
Doug McDermott (UFA '21)
TJ McConnell (UFA '21)

LA Clippers:
Montrezl Harrell (UFA '20)
Marcus Morris Sr. (UFA '20)
JaMychal Green (player '20)
Reggie Jackson (UFA '20)
Paul George (player '21)
Lou Williams (UFA '21)
Kawhi Leonard (player '21)

Los Angeles Lakers:
Anthony Davis (player '20)
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope (player '20)
Rajon Rondo (player '20)
Avery Bradley (player '20)
JaVale McGee (player '20)
LeBron James (player '21)
Danny Green (UFA '21)
Quinn Cook (UFA '21)
Alex Caruso (UFA '21)
Kyle Kuzma (RFA '21)

Memphis:
Melton (RFA '20)

Miami:
Derick Jones Jr (UFA '20)
Crowder (UFA '20)
Dragić (UFA '20)
Andre Iguodala (team '21)
Bam Adebayo (RFA '21)
Kendrick Nunn (RFA '21)
Duncan Robinson (RFA '21)

Milwaukee:
Pat Connaughton (UFA '20)
Wesley Matthews (player '20)
Robin Lopez (player '20)
Korver (UFA '20)
Giannis Antetokounmpo (UFA '21)

Minnesota:
Evan Turner (UFA '20)
Malik Beasley (RFA '20)
Jordan McLaughlin (RFA '20)

New Orleans:
Derrick Favors (UFA '20)
Brandon Ingram (RFA '20))
E'Twaun Moore (UFA '20)
Jahlil Okafor (UFA '20)
Jrue Holiday (player)
JJ Redick (UFA '21)
Nicolo Melli (RFA '21))
Josh Hart (RFA '21)
Lonzo Ball (RFA '21)

New York Knicks:
Dotson (RFA '20)
Portis (Team '20)
Gibson (UFA '21)
Payton (UFA '21)
Dennis Smith Jr. (RFA '21)
Ntilikina (RFA '21)
Reggie Bullock (UFA '21)
Mitchell Robinson (team '21)

Oklahoma:
Galinari (UFA '20)
Nerles Noel (UFA '20)
Chris Paul (Player '21)
Adams (UFA '21)
Schroder (UFA '21)

Orlando:
DJ Augustin (UFA '20)
Fournier (Player '20)
Wes Iwundu (RFA '20)
Michael Carter-Williams (UFA '20)
Fultz (RFA '21)
Jonathan Isaac (RFA '21)

Philadelphia 76ers:
Raul Neto (UFA '20)
Alec Burks (UFA 20)
Richardson (Player '21)
Mike Scott (UFA '21)
Furkan Korkmaz (UFA '21)

Phoenix Suns:
Šarić (RFA '20)
Baynes (UFA '20)
Oubre Jr (UFA '21)

Portland:
Hezonja (Player '20)
Whiteside (UFA '20)
Mello Anthony (UFA '20)

Sacramento:
Bogdanović (RFA '20)
Bazemore (UFA '20)
Giles (UFA '20)
Bjelica (UFA '21)
Fox (RFA '21)
Holmes (UFA '21)

San Antonio Spurs:
DeRozan(Player '20)
Belinelli (UFA '20)
Poeltl (RFA '20)
Forbes (UFA '20)
Aldridge (UFA '21)
Rudy Gay (UFA '21)
Derick White (RFA '21)
Patty Mills (UFA '21)

Toronto Raptors:
Ibaka (UFA '20)
Gasol (UFA '20)
Fred VanVleet (UFA '20)
Chris Boucher (RFA '20)
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson (UFA '20)
Norman Powell (player '21)
OG Anunoby (RFA '21)
Terence Davis (RFA '21)

Utah:
Conley (ETO '20)
Clarkson (UFA '20)
Gobert (UFA '21)
Mitchell (RFA '21)
Tony Bradley (RFA '21)
Niang (UFA '21)

Washington:
Mahinmi (UFA '20)
Bertans (UFA '20)
Ish Smith (UFA '21)

 

[Cugel]

PJ mf'ing Tucker

 

[PCmor7]

Hello,

This is the list of the players with contracts to expire... What do you think who else can be the best option for Blazers but availalble also? Who will put us as a title contenders not named Giannis?

Atlanta:
Jeff Teague (UFA '20)
John Collins (RFA '21)

Boston:
Hayward (Player '20)
Tatum (RFA '21)

Brooklyn:
Joe Harris (UFA '20)
Dinwidie (Player '21)
Allen (RFA '21)

Charlote:
Biyombo (UFA '20)
Graham (RFA '21)
Zeller (UFA '21)

Chicago:
Dunn (RFA '21)
Markanen (RFA '21)

Cleveland:
Tristan Thompson (UFA '20)
Andre Drummond (Player '20)

Dallas:
Hardaway Jr. (Player '20)
Marjanović (UFA '21)

Denver:
Milsap (UFA '20)
Grant (Player '20)
Craig (RFA '20)
Barton (Player '21)

Detroit:
Langston Galloway (UFA '20)
Thon Maker (RFA '20)
Christian Wood (UFA '20)
Kennard (RFA 21)
Rose Derick (UFA '21)
Bruce Brown (RFA '21)
Blake Griffin (Player '21)

Golden State
No any important player

Houston:
Rivers (Player '20)
P.J. Tucker (UFA '21)
Ben McLemore (UFA '21)

Indiana:
Justin Holiday (UFA '20)
Victor Oladipo (UFA '21)
Doug McDermott (UFA '21)
TJ McConnell (UFA '21)

LA Clippers:
Montrezl Harrell (UFA '20)
Marcus Morris Sr. (UFA '20)
JaMychal Green (player '20)
Reggie Jackson (UFA '20)
Paul George (player '21)
Lou Williams (UFA '21)
Kawhi Leonard (player '21)

Los Angeles Lakers:
Anthony Davis (player '20)
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope (player '20)
Rajon Rondo (player '20)
Avery Bradley (player '20)
JaVale McGee (player '20)
LeBron James (player '21)
Danny Green (UFA '21)
Quinn Cook (UFA '21)
Alex Caruso (UFA '21)
Kyle Kuzma (RFA '21)

Memphis:
Melton (RFA '20)

Miami:
Derick Jones Jr (UFA '20)
Crowder (UFA '20)
Dragić (UFA '20)
Andre Iguodala (team '21)
Bam Adebayo (RFA '21)
Kendrick Nunn (RFA '21)
Duncan Robinson (RFA '21)

Milwaukee:
Pat Connaughton (UFA '20)
Wesley Matthews (player '20)
Robin Lopez (player '20)
Korver (UFA '20)
Giannis Antetokounmpo (UFA '21)

Minnesota:
Evan Turner (UFA '20)
Malik Beasley (RFA '20)
Jordan McLaughlin (RFA '20)

New Orleans:
Derrick Favors (UFA '20)
Brandon Ingram (RFA '20))
E'Twaun Moore (UFA '20)
Jahlil Okafor (UFA '20)
Jrue Holiday (player)
JJ Redick (UFA '21)
Nicolo Melli (RFA '21))
Josh Hart (RFA '21)
Lonzo Ball (RFA '21)

New York Knicks:
Dotson (RFA '20)
Portis (Team '20)
Gibson (UFA '21)
Payton (UFA '21)
Dennis Smith Jr. (RFA '21)
Ntilikina (RFA '21)
Reggie Bullock (UFA '21)
Mitchell Robinson (team '21)

Oklahoma:
Galinari (UFA '20)
Nerles Noel (UFA '20)
Chris Paul (Player '21)
Adams (UFA '21)
Schroder (UFA '21)

Orlando:
DJ Augustin (UFA '20)
Fournier (Player '20)
Wes Iwundu (RFA '20)
Michael Carter-Williams (UFA '20)
Fultz (RFA '21)
Jonathan Isaac (RFA '21)

Philadelphia 76ers:
Raul Neto (UFA '20)
Alec Burks (UFA 20)
Richardson (Player '21)
Mike Scott (UFA '21)
Furkan Korkmaz (UFA '21)

Phoenix Suns:
Šarić (RFA '20)
Baynes (UFA '20)
Oubre Jr (UFA '21)

Portland:
Hezonja (Player '20)
Whiteside (UFA '20)
Mello Anthony (UFA '20)

Sacramento:
Bogdanović (RFA '20)
Bazemore (UFA '20)
Giles (UFA '20)
Bjelica (UFA '21)
Fox (RFA '21)
Holmes (UFA '21)

San Antonio Spurs:
DeRozan(Player '20)
Belinelli (UFA '20)
Poeltl (RFA '20)
Forbes (UFA '20)
Aldridge (UFA '21)
Rudy Gay (UFA '21)
Derick White (RFA '21)
Patty Mills (UFA '21)

Toronto Raptors:
Ibaka (UFA '20)
Gasol (UFA '20)
Fred VanVleet (UFA '20)
Chris Boucher (RFA '20)
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson (UFA '20)
Norman Powell (player '21)
OG Anunoby (RFA '21)
Terence Davis (RFA '21)

Utah:
Conley (ETO '20)
Clarkson (UFA '20)
Gobert (UFA '21)
Mitchell (RFA '21)
Tony Bradley (RFA '21)
Niang (UFA '21)

Washington:
Mahinmi (UFA '20)
Bertans (UFA '20)
Ish Smith (UFA '21)

Not going to put us over the top, but I absolutely could envision Jeff Teague, Austin Rivers or Reggie Jackson being discussed. All fit the profile of a back-up PG for us. All would make the Blazers better.

 

[LayneStaley]

Would CJ, Zach, Simons, and 3 1s even get Milwaukee to the table?

 

[blazerkor]

Would CJ, Zach, Simons, and 3 1s even get Milwaukee to the table?

I really don't think they're going to trade Giannis but if they were going to trade him, I think they would also want Gary, Nas and/or Nurk. They would want players like Zach, Gary and Nurk that could have really bright futures and also contribute immediately since they still have Middleton and Bledsoe on the books for a while. I just don't see them having a fire sale and if they do, they obviously won't want CJ. I also think that if they are interested in CJ, it's likely as a piece to pair with Giannis, not for Giannis.