Trade Ideas Thread (11 Viewers)

[Orion Bailey]

So Dame at 35. CJ at 32. Hill at 27. That's, essentially, ALL of the minutes at the 1 and 2. Leaves 2 minutes for Trent at the 2.

Covington 31 minutes at the 4, and let's say DJJ gets 28 at SF. That's 39 minutes for Hood, Trent, Carmelo. Trent got 21 a game last year, and deserves at least that this season. So 18 minutes for Hood, Carmelo, Collins and Giles.

I'd prefer versatile wing rotation getting heavier minutes than adding someone like Hill who really isn't much more of a distributor than CJ is. He's a PG you play alongside a playmaking other guard or wing.

I just don't see the huge need and desire for the backup PG a lot of others do, I suppose.

i dont see the need for talk of much of anything for the moment. This team is super deep with crazy potential.
Lets not be hasty. Lets bake and see what holes arise thst need to be filled.
This team is not like the team of years past and that alone may minimize some things we have had concerns about, even if we didn't see a clear direct move that addressed a specific issue.

trade talks should be frozen for now until 20 games in and we see what we have aNd who is available out there.

we have to remember we had three starters not playing.
Collins and Hood may not start anymore, but they were our starters preinjury.

we are soo crazy deep with so much flexibility

i dont see how anyone can accurately pinpoint a weakness without some study of this team as a whole over the next handful of games.

This thread should be locked until a hole is clear. Lol.

 

[boredinsalem]

Yeah I think that was a problem the last few seasons. Teams start trapping and doubling Dame early and either way, by the timr we reach the post season, hes exhausted. Having Nurk as a post playmaker helps, and I love Giles playmaking upside, but all the other additions all are extreme examples of players who need to be created for (Kanter, DJJ and Cov). Its also a reason why I was interested in bringing in a guy like Dunn or Rondo, who coulf play next to either Dame or CJ and lock up opposing guards.

Rubio is the guy I think would fit perfectly with Dame/CJ as a 24 minutes a game type of guy, not enough minutes for Trent though.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

We must rescue Knox from New Yawk.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

To Orlando:
McCollum
Little

To Portland:
Gordon
Fultz
Bamba

Basic framework

 

[pougie]

To Orlando:
McCollum
Little

To Portland:
Gordon
Fultz
Bamba

Basic framework

Don’t necessarily agree with the players coming back to us, but ORL is an interesting landing spot for McCollum. While Bamba is an intriguing player, he doesn’t help the team win right now. Any trade package that sends CJ to Orlando has to start with Jonathan Isaac. Not sure what the intrigue is about with Gordon. Isaac is the only one on ORL that can help us right now and is still developing, the injury history might make it easier to get rid him, especially when Chuma Okeke being another young wing is one they’re high on. They would be one of the few teams that desperately need a CJ-kind of player too. One trade I would be interested in:

To Portland: Isaac, Rozier, top-10 protected ORL 1st, CHA 2nd

To Orlando: CJ, Collins

To Charlotte: Gordon, Bamba

If Gary continues to play at this level with consistency, the writing will be on the wall. If Isaac rehabs well, I don’t see how he doesn’t start at the 4 immediately and locks in that position on the Blazers for at least through Dame’s prime. With George re-signed and a less-than-likely chance that a Kawhi/Giannis signs with us, we might have to take a chance on a guy like Isaac and hope he develops into that elite wing.

Lillard/Rozier/Simons
Trent/Hood/Elleby
Covington/Jones/Little
Isaac/Melo
Nurkic/Kanter/Giles

 

[wizenheimer]

So Dame at 35. CJ at 32. Hill at 27. That's, essentially, ALL of the minutes at the 1 and 2. Leaves 2 minutes for Trent at the 2.

Covington 31 minutes at the 4, and let's say DJJ gets 28 at SF. That's 39 minutes for Hood, Trent, Carmelo. Trent got 21 a game last year, and deserves at least that this season. So 18 minutes for Hood, Carmelo, Collins and Giles.

I'd prefer versatile wing rotation getting heavier minutes than adding someone like Hill who really isn't much more of a distributor than CJ is. He's a PG you play alongside a playmaking other guard or wing.

I just don't see the huge need and desire for the backup PG a lot of others do, I suppose.

I wasn't saying that Portland should have signed a backup PG this season, instead of Jones (but they could have in past years). I was just disagreeing with the idea there would not be enough minutes for a high caliber backup PG

 

[illmatic99]

To Orlando:
McCollum
Little

To Portland:
Gordon
Fultz
Bamba

Basic framework

Lmao why would they do that

 

[SharpesTriumph]

yeah, it's not some major puzzle to figure out minutes

cut Dame's minutes by 3; CJ's by 5. There's 8 minutes right there. Simons played 21 minutes/game last year. If you had a backup PG like Rondo or George Hill, Simons should just get locked on the bench. You now have 25-28 minutes a game for a good backup PG

obviously it's not going to happen but the notion that a PG of the caliber of Rondo or Hill couldn't find minutes is loony

Rondo got 14 million, we only had one MLE. So you are saying it'd be better to have a 3rd string PG than a starting forward?

Simons minutes last year arent necessarily available this year, your talking about this years roster, adding a PG on this roster would take Trent, Hood, or forward minutes. Id rather we have a bigger guard who can defend.

I'm all for reducing DameCJ minutes but that can be done with the current roster. There may already be a minutes crunch.

Finally the caliber of PG isn't only Olshey decision, the player has to be interested in a Portland opportunity as well. A team with DameCJ is literally the worst opportunity for playing time of 30 NBA teams. A good NBA PG will target teams there's at least a chance of a larger role if they play great.

I'm all for using the last two way spot on a PG. There just isn't a role beyond 3rd or 4th string that makes sense.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Rubio is the guy I think would fit perfectly with Dame/CJ as a 24 minutes a game type of guy, not enough minutes for Trent though.

Ricky Rubio is making $16million. He'd be our third highest paid player after Dame and CJ.

These "we need a PG" arguments are ridiculous.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I wasn't saying that Portland should have signed a backup PG this season, instead of Jones (but they could have in past years). I was just disagreeing with the idea there would not be enough minutes for a high caliber backup PG

What a terrible idea.

Sure if the team didn't bring in starting forwards and instead brought in a big minute 3rd string PG they could be forced to play all 3 PG extended stretches since there would be no better options, yes then there would be "minutes available" for another PG.

I'm glad instead we upgraded the starting forwards, especially defensively.

This "we need a PG" crowd is ludicrous. Its literally the only single position we've had no need on this roster for 8 years. We have this guy called Damian Lillard.

 

[Natebishop3]

These "we need a PG" arguments are ridiculous.

I disagree. Completely. There's a reason why our team stalled every time Dame was off the floor.

CJ goes 1 on 4 constantly.
Melo is a ball stopper.
Kanter is a ball stopper.
GTJ is a ball stopper.

None of these guys look to pass. Giles is probably the best passer on the bench right now.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I disagree. Completely. There's a reason why our team stalled every time Dame was off the floor.

CJ goes 1 on 4 constantly.
Melo is a ball stopper.
Kanter is a ball stopper.
GTJ is a ball stopper.

None of these guys look to pass. Giles is probably the best passer on the bench right now.

Trent seemed (at least on Friday) to be a bit more willing of a passer than last season.

Aside from that, completely agree.

IMO, best case scenario for a bench lineup is CJ, GTJ, Hood, Melo, Giles--if CJ is actually willing to play PG.

 

[Big Dog]

Trent seemed (at least on Friday) to be a bit more willing of a passer than last season.

Aside from that, completely agree.

IMO, best case scenario for a bench lineup is CJ, GTJ, Hood, Melo, Giles--if CJ is actually willing to play PG.

When has CJ ever refused to play PG?

 

[Orion Bailey]

When has CJ ever refused to play PG?

playing the position of pg and playing like a pg are two different things imo.

 

[Big Dog]

playing the position of pg and playing like a pg are two different things imo.

Have you seen his numbers when Dame was out last year? I believe he averaged over 30 points and dished out over 8 assists. What affordable back up PG is capable of averaging that if pressed into the starting lineup. For 15 mpg that's more than adequate I would say.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Have you seen his numbers when Dame was out last year? I believe he averaged over 30 points and dished out over 8 assists.

yes we know he can do that as a starter when dame is out.
But how are his assists when running pg with the second unit? When Dame is also playing in the game?

 

[Pinwheel1]

Trent seemed (at least on Friday) to be a bit more willing of a passer than last season.

Aside from that, completely agree.

IMO, best case scenario for a bench lineup is CJ, GTJ, Hood, Melo, Giles--if CJ is actually willing to play PG.

With that particular lineup, I guess we don't really need a "true" PG....we just need a lot of movement.
Granted there will be no penetration-kick outs like with Dame, but it still can be a pretty good offensive lineup.

 

[Big Dog]

yes we know he can do that as a starter when dame is out.
But how are his assists when running pg with the second unit? When Dame is also playing in the game?

His minutes are about 12 mpg at pg. Not really an issue IMO. Plus, when has CJ ever been able to play PG on this team with the talent we have now. Last year the bench often consisted of guys like Hezonja, Tolliver etc.

 

[Natebishop3]

Have you seen his numbers when Dame was out last year? I believe he averaged over 30 points and dished out over 8 assists. What affordable back up PG is capable of averaging that if pressed into the starting lineup. For 15 mpg that's more than adequate I would say.

We don't need him to score on the second unit. We need him to run the offense. We have a ton of scorers on the bench. What we don't need is a bunch of standing around while CJ or Melo pound the ball through the floor.

 

[wizenheimer]

What a terrible idea.

Sure if the team didn't bring in starting forwards and instead brought in a big minute 3rd string PG they could be forced to play all 3 PG extended stretches since there would be no better options, yes then there would be "minutes available" for another PG.

I'm glad instead we upgraded the starting forwards, especially defensively.

This "we need a PG" crowd is ludicrous. Its literally the only single position we've had no need on this roster for 8 years. We have this guy called Damian Lillard.

wut are you going on about???

I explicitly said I wasn't advocating for using the MLE this year on a backup PG.

and the narrative about a 3rd string PG has nothing to do with me. I've never advocated that kind of addition as important. We've already seen that those kinds of PG's are marginal additions, at best....Eric Maynor, Earl Watson, Ronnie Price, Brian Roberts, Wade Baldwin...those guys don't help much at all and they don't really add any wins. A 3rd string PG is not a backup PG in my view. They aren't rotational players.

there can be players like Napier and Seth Curry who can be effective, but those two aren't really PG's as much as small SG's

the Blazers have had two backup PG's in Dame's era: Mo Williams and Steve Blake. And in Blake's case, he started off playing his role really well but seemed to run out of gas about 60 games into the season. He made a difference till about the all-star break, but that Blazer team just seem to totally deflate with the injuries to Matthews and Lopez

but in past seasons, I think a quality backup PG would have been very valuable for Portland. And by quality I mean guys like Rondo (who has played for 3.3M or less in 3 of the last 4 seasons; and signed for 7.5m/year this off season, 2 million below the MLE); George Hill (probably out of Portland's price range); Derrick Rose; DJ Augustine; Cory Joseph. Players who earn playing time with their production and efficiency rather than part-time situational plug-ins. PG's who when Dame is doubled or tripled can receive Dame's outlet pass and actually run the offense consistently enough to break down a defense. Portland hasn't had that for 6 years

I know people are really high on Jones right now and maybe they have reason to be. Maybe that will end up the best use of the MLE. But with Covington, Melo, Hood, Trent, and Little to plug into the Jones slot on wing, I think a case could be made that in a 'win-now' mode, using the MLE on Rondo might have ended up as good a use of the MLE. I'm fine with Jones, but I'd have been just as fine with Rondo

 

[SharpesTriumph]

wut are you going on about???

I explicitly said I wasn't advocating for using the MLE this year on a backup PG.

and the narrative about a 3rd string PG has nothing to do with me. I've never advocated that kind of addition as important. We've already seen that those kinds of PG's are marginal additions, at best....Eric Maynor, Earl Watson, Ronnie Price, Brian Roberts, Wade Baldwin...those guys don't help much at all and they don't really add any wins. A 3rd string PG is not a backup PG in my view. They aren't rotational players.

there can be players like Napier and Seth Curry who can be effective, but those two aren't really PG's as much as small SG's

the Blazers have had two backup PG's in Dame's era: Mo Williams and Steve Blake. And in Blake's case, he started off playing his role really well but seemed to run out of gas about 60 games into the season. He made a difference till about the all-star break, but that Blazer team just seem to totally deflate with the injuries to Matthews and Lopez

but in past seasons, I think a quality backup PG would have been very valuable for Portland. And by quality I mean guys like Rondo (who has played for 3.3M or less in 3 of the last 4 seasons; and signed for 7.5m/year this off season, 2 million below the MLE); George Hill (probably out of Portland's price range); Derrick Rose; DJ Augustine; Cory Joseph. Players who earn playing time with their production and efficiency rather than part-time situational plug-ins. PG's who when Dame is doubled or tripled can receive Dame's outlet pass and actually run the offense consistently enough to break down a defense. Portland hasn't had that for 6 years

I know people are really high on Jones right now and maybe they have reason to be. Maybe that will end up the best use of the MLE. But with Covington, Melo, Hood, Trent, and Little to plug into the Jones slot on wing, I think a case could be made that in a 'win-now' mode, using the MLE on Rondo might have ended up as good a use of the MLE. I'm fine with Jones, but I'd have been just as fine with Rondo

All your complaints about backup PG could be made in the same manner for a STARTING forward the last 6 years. We haven't had a legit starting forward since LaMarcus or Batum were here. Nurkic has 1 playoff win in his career since he's always hurt. So backup C is also more important along with starting and backup forwards.

Sure it would be great it the Blazers could develop an allstar roster two deep at every position. That's not how the NBA works. There is scarcity of resources. Players aren't happy with roles.

Since the Blazers have Dame at PG and CJ on the roster they should throw all of their assets at other positional holes. If they hit on one of these acquisitions to be a good 25mpg player at least they can share the court in the playoffs with DameCJ. Rondo would be reduced to 8mpg stretches in the playoffs.

Its stupid to suggest a backup/3rd string PG would take priority over starting/role players.

A team with DameCJ has literally the least need for a backup PG of any team in the NBA.

 

[Big Dog]

We don't need him to score on the second unit. We need him to run the offense. We have a ton of scorers on the bench. What we don't need is a bunch of standing around while CJ or Melo pound the ball through the floor.

and we have played two games with limited time of CJ running the point this year as he has only played about 30+ plus minutes and the majority have been at shooting guard. It seems so many in here are quick to complain and show little patience as this is one of the best teams we have had in awhile and with the inclusion of many new players it will likely take a few weeks to gel together.

 

[Orion Bailey]

His minutes are about 12 mpg at pg. Not really an issue IMO. Plus, when has CJ ever been able to play PG on this team with the talent we have now. Last year the bench often consisted of guys like Hezonja, Tolliver etc.

not sure what you are debating?

isnt that basically the premise? Will he now play more of a pg role with the second unit? He bow has the talent around him, question is will he change his game?

is it not a valid question to ask?

seems like we are about to go in circles and i stopped attending square dances in jr high.

 

[Orion Bailey]

and we have played two games with limited time of CJ running the point this year as he has only played about 30+ plus minutes and the majority have been at shooting guard. It seems so many in here are quick to complain and show little patience as this is one of the best teams we have had in awhile and with the inclusion of many new players it will likely take a few weeks to gel together.

actually it seems like many are making statements or asking questions about how cj will fit now or what he will do or shouldnt do aNd you are calling it complaining...

 

[Big Dog]

not sure what you are debating?

isnt that basically the premise? Will he now play more of a pg role with the second unit? He bow has the talent around him, question is will he change his game?

is it not a valid question to ask?

seems like we are about to go in circles and i stopped attending square dances in jr high.

Like I said, we are talking about 12-15 minutes per game and CJ can handle the role just fine and likely better than any cheap pg available.

I never attended square dances and likely I am much older than you.

 

[Big Dog]

actually it seems like many are making statements or asking questions about how cj will fit now or what he will do or shouldnt do aNd you are calling it complaining...

Asking questions for what? The only worthwhile answer is letting it play out. It's not like we are 3 months into the season and struggling. We just started so if you need an answer then expect nothing but premature speculation.

Patience grasshoper.

 

[wizenheimer]

All your complaints about backup PG could be made in the same manner for a STARTING forward the last 6 years. .

wait....I think it's been obvious that Olshey planned on Zach being the starting PF; and Portland traded for Covington before using their MLE while obviously having the intention to re-sign Hood and Melo; and this is all when Trent & Little are on the bench

so I'd say your assumption that the needs for a starting SF is somehow exponentially greater than the need for another guy who can actually run an offense better than CJ (which is not a tall order at all) is unfounded. I think that's especially true because we don't have any clear indication yet that Jones is the solution for that starting forward role. Maybe he'll end up better than Batum. But just maybe he'll end up as flawed as Harkless. I mean, for chrissakes, we had lots of people penciling in Layman at the SFOTF after a few dozen regular season games and here you are, doing the same for Jones after 2 exhibition games

 

[Orion Bailey]

Like I said, we are talking about 12-15 minutes per game and CJ can handle the role just fine and likely better than any cheap pg available.

I never attended square dances and likely I am much older than you.

12-15 minutes a game is a quarter of the game or more. I think its a valid question to ask if our second unit will be standing around for 12-15 minutes a game, is it not?

Asking questions for what? The only worthwhile answer is letting it play out. It's not like we are 3 months into the season and struggling. We just started so if you need an answer then expect nothing but premature speculation.

Patience grasshoper.

scroll through the thread. Im on the let it bake side.
With that said, it seems you are missing the point of a discussion forum.
If you don't care for the discussion because you disagree that's your right.
But its also the right of others to pose such questions and discuss them.

 

[Big Dog]

12-15 minutes a game is a quarter of the game or more. I think its a valid question to ask if our second unit will be standing around for 12-15 minutes a game, is it not?



scroll through the thread. Im on the let it bake side.
With that said, it seems you are missing the point of a discussion forum.
If you don't care for the discussion because you disagree that's your right.
But its also the right of others to pose such questions and discuss them.

And where and from who do you expect to get the answer from in this forum?

Look I'm not telling you how and what to post, so please don't tell me, okay?

 

[Orion Bailey]

And where and from who do you expect to get the answer from in this forum?

Look I'm not telling you how and what to post, so please don't tell me, okay?

sometimes answers never come. Should we not discuss?
And actually its been you telling others its not worth discussing.
The mirror is in the bathroom.
Its been you questioning others discussing this. Acting as though it isn't an issue snd shouldn't be discussed...

says you....