Trade Ideas Thread

[Mr. Robot]

ben simmons is a guy who cant really score, especially in the playoffs, but he provides elite defense, really good playmaking and rebounding

only thing cj mccollum has on him is scoring, thats it

im not sure id trade simmons for cj mccollum if im phila, not only quality wise, but cj mccollum is 30 yo

 

[RR7]

ben simmons is a guy who cant really score, especially in the playoffs, but he provides elite defense, really good playmaking and rebounding

only thing cj mccollum has on him is scoring, thats it

The nice thing for us is the thing Philly really needs is a guy reliably capable of getting their own shot.

 

[Natebishop3]

The nice thing for us is the thing Philly really needs is a guy reliably capable of getting their own shot.

And CJ is really most likely the best guy available who can do that. I'm sure there could be some players who are available that we're not aware of, but I think CJ would do very well in Philly.

 

[Graduate32]

So it's a game of chicken between Embiid's health and Dame's patience. Who else is available out there that can do what CJ does and is available? Lowry? Is Lowry the answer for Philly? I'm not so sure.

Knowing Morey, he'll want to bet on Embiid's health... Dame may possibly ask out as early as a month and a half from now. I'd be really surprised if Simmons is still on the table for the Blazers in a non-Dame package.

 

[JoshuaHall]

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you do know that saying somebody is being "disingenuous" is an insult, right?

Bledsoe was 3rd on the Bucks in minutes, scoring, & PER, and 2nd in assists. More importantly, he was 3rd on the team in salary which is relevant when it comes to trades

I wasn't comparing CJ, as a player, to Bledsoe, as a player. I was comparing their roles on their respective teams in terms of trade leverage.

ok, you’re right, my apologies

 

[JoshuaHall]

Portland shouldn’t even have to throw in a first for Simmons. A straight up CJ/Simmons deal is more than fair. Look at their numbers. Simmons value is increased by media hype and his draft position. He’s good, not great, just like CJ.

Simmons is younger.
You’ve got to throw in at least one pick for that.
Potential… possibly another pick for “well you can unlock his true value”
CJ+pick is fair. Cj+2 picks is showing commitment. Cj + more than that is a clown mask.

 

[JoshuaHall]

but let's assume that 'steep price' was what it took....should Portland pay it?

my thought is they should if only because it would show Dame the Blazers were trying to build a contender. I'd be really cautious about protections on picks 4 -6 years from now though

I would do it solely to appease Dame

I’d be a little unhappy about it, but picks are worthless in my opinion so whatever

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Little for J.Culver

 

[Mediocre Man]

I expect to see a lot of youth traded for 1 year rental vets. Just my opinion

 

[riverman]

I expect to see a lot of youth traded for 1 year rental vets. Just my opinion

this wouldn't surprise me but if we sign a vet without trading cheap contracts I'll bet you'll see two year with team option 2nd year deals..

 

[Scalma]

Simmons is younger.
You’ve got to throw in at least one pick for that.
Potential… possibly another pick for “well you can unlock his true value”
CJ+pick is fair. Cj+2 picks is showing commitment. Cj + more than that is a clown mask.

he’s going into his fifth year in the league. He is technically young, but there’s not much more potential wise imo.

 

[RR7]

In a CJ-Simmons swap, IMO, it is a better "fit" tradewise for them. They need a guy like CJ more than we need one like Simmons. And I think that could be the case with a lot of teams around the league. They can't look to just trade Simmons for the best value around the league. They need to find a win now fix to their roster. Which limits the trade partners they can work with.
I guess we'll see if anything comes of it, but I don't think the gap, not based on talent, but based on everything else included, is going to be multiple picks and pick swaps.

 

[JoshuaHall]

In a CJ-Simmons swap, IMO, it is a better "fit" tradewise for them. They need a guy like CJ more than we need one like Simmons. And I think that could be the case with a lot of teams around the league. They can't look to just trade Simmons for the best value around the league. They need to find a win now fix to their roster. Which limits the trade partners they can work with.
I guess we'll see if anything comes of it, but I don't think the gap, not based on talent, but based on everything else included, is going to be multiple picks and pick swaps.

Here’s the thing…
I think they know they need to get rid of Simmons
But CJ is probably the best thing on the market…
And they probably don’t rate him highly
Alternatively, they could just be waiting out the draft so the blazers can trade picks.
But also this is why I’m not super high on the trade
You’ve got to move him to PF if not C and dame isn’t great off the ball

 

[wizenheimer]

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ok, you’re right, my apologies

no problem

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Picks are theoretical contributors 3+ years down the road. If you can move multiple to get a star you do it. Not sure if it's warranted, but I wouldn't quibble about throwing in a pick with CJ for Simmons. I'd do it. Or Simons.

The only player I would like to take keep besides Damian is Nas Little. He's going to be a really good player as soon as next season.

 

[blazedanugz]

Just a gut feeling but I feel jerami grant is going to be a major target for us. Not sure what it would take but it makes a lot of sense

 

[Mediocre Man]

Just a gut feeling but I feel jerami grant is going to be a major target for us. Not sure what it would take but it makes a lot of sense

That’s gonna be be convoluted trade given salaries and team directions.

Detroit is burning it down, so they’ll want youth and picks to go with Cunningham


Grant would be fantastic though. Hometown kid technically

 

[cheesehoff]

I think Jerami Grant fits better than Simmons if it's Dame, Powell, Roco and Nurk.
I also think a fa like Joseph would be great off the bench with Simons. He could run the offense and take the toughest guard defensive assignment.
If there's any trade assets left I think Boucher would be great on our second unit and fit well next to Collins if he's around in a year.

 

[blazedanugz]

That’s gonna be be convoluted trade given salaries and team directions.

Detroit is burning it down, so they’ll want youth and picks to go with Cunningham


Grant would be fantastic though. Hometown kid technically

If DJ ops in then it would help. Can always get another team involved. I could see simons being great for Detroit.. after the way he played last year I’m excited about him but that’s the kinda deal you have to make

 

[Mediocre Man]

If DJ ops in then it would help. Can always get another team involved. I could see simons being great for Detroit.. after the way he played last year I’m excited about him but that’s the kinda deal you have to make

For sure

 

[pougie]

If DJ ops in then it would help. Can always get another team involved. I could see simons being great for Detroit.. after the way he played last year I’m excited about him but that’s the kinda deal you have to make

If NY is still looking at CJ, you could do

POR gets: Grant

NY gets: CJ

DET gets: DJJ, Quickley, #19, #21 (or future NY 1st)

Maybe we would have to also add a pick. But I’d prefer that. I’d rather not give up Simons because I’d like to see how he is as a starting SG if Dame was ever traded and we go on with a youth movement.

Dame/Powell/Covington/Grant/Nurkic

Defense would certainly be better and I wouldn’t have the fear that Ben brings to me if he were on the team. If CJ + DJJ + 1st can bring in Grant, do it.

 

[Hoopguru]

The nice thing for us is the thing Philly really needs is a guy reliably capable of getting their own shot.

That's right and Philly wont be the only interested team for CJ. It would be interesting to see what other teams might offer?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Nasir for the draft rights to Usman Garuba

Essentially Nas for a pick in the early/mid 20s.

 

[Jax_Tiger]

In a CJ-Simmons swap, IMO, it is a better "fit" tradewise for them. They need a guy like CJ more than we need one like Simmons. And I think that could be the case with a lot of teams around the league. They can't look to just trade Simmons for the best value around the league. They need to find a win now fix to their roster. Which limits the trade partners they can work with.
I guess we'll see if anything comes of it, but I don't think the gap, not based on talent, but based on everything else included, is going to be multiple picks and pick swaps.

I disagree. Simmons is a top 15-20 player in this league with no outside shot. Portland doesn't need shooters. We have shooters and can afford to give up CJ. Simmons complements Dame in that Simmons does all the things that CJ (and Dame) can't do on a high level - plays defense on larger players, runs the fast break at a high level, posts up against anybody, and is a pass first player. With Dame, Powell, and RoCo on the court at the same time, the Blazers will have shooters for Simmons to get the ball to if the defense collapses on him if he drives or posts. If the defense leaves him alone, Simmons is virtually unstoppable when taking it to the rim one-on-one. He's too big for the guards and too quick for the big men to stop. Pick your poison.

Simmons can play defense on 1-5. Simmons can facilitate better than CJ ever could and Dame wouldn't have to work so hard to get open. Some players draw the defense out. Others cause the defense to collapse inward. Simmons will cause the defense to collapse inward, leaving more room for Dame to get open outside, AND he has the vision to pass out of the post and get Dame the ball where Dame wants it. Getting Dame open shots from 3 will increase his efficiency as the degree of difficulty of his shots will be less. Simmons will balance the team out. CJ is just a a lesser version of Dame, in a lot of respects - an undersized shooting guard, who is not as strong or quick , and doesn't play defense as well as Dame.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If NY is still looking at CJ, you could do

POR gets: Grant

NY gets: CJ

DET gets: DJJ, Quickley, #19, #21 (or future NY 1st)

Maybe we would have to also add a pick. But I’d prefer that. I’d rather not give up Simons because I’d like to see how he is as a starting SG if Dame was ever traded and we go on with a youth movement.

Dame/Powell/Covington/Grant/Nurkic

Defense would certainly be better and I wouldn’t have the fear that Ben brings to me if he were on the team. If CJ + DJJ + 1st can bring in Grant, do it.

Some version of this is my dream offseason move. Not only does it improve the roster balance, but it also saves a ton of money, possibly facilitating use of full MLE, even with re-signing Norm.

 

[Hoopguru]

I could see teams wanting ROCO in a CJ package, which could make since if we get back a legit scoring 3/4.

 

[Natebishop3]

Some version of this is my dream offseason move. Not only does it improve the roster balance, but it also saves a ton of money, possibly facilitating use of full MLE, even with re-signing Norm.

Who would you rather have, Siakam or Grant? That's the package that I wanted to use to entice Toronto to trade Siakam.

 

[blazerkor]

Who would you rather have, Siakam or Grant? That's the package that I wanted to use to entice Toronto to trade Siakam.

I would take either of them but Grant would free up some more cap space and that could make a difference for our bench. He's also been the better three point shooter of the two. I would take the upside of Ben Simmons over either of them and pay more in trade capital if it came to that.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Not sure why everyone thinks Detroit is giving up on Grant after he broke out for them this season, but

 

[B-Roy]

I disagree. Simmons is a top 15-20 player in this league with no outside shot. Portland doesn't need shooters.

Every team needs shooters. If you look at the playoffs, every team's best lineup only features one non-shooter. So yeah, Simmons can be that one non-shooter, but usually that means you cannot play your best rim protector in crunch time.